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Lawmaker Under Fire For 'Illegal Alien' E-Mail
Man Apologizes; Some Colleagues Not Satisfied

A state lawmaker is coming under fire for sending what he thought was a funny e-mail message to his colleagues.

Some people do not find it very amusing and want him to make a public apology.

Rep. Don Brown, R-DeFuniak Springs, sent a message from his state e-mail account that said, "Don't forget to pay your taxes - 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!"

Brown said the message was intended to be humorous and to remind people about the upcoming tax deadline.

He apologized and said as far as he's concerned, he's done with the issue.

But members of the Florida Hispanic Legislative Caucus are taking exception to Brown's e-mail, calling it inappropriate and saying such e-mails have no place in the Florida House.

"That term, illegal alien, is extremely insulting to many individuals and I think there has to be something a little bit more public and a little bit more contrite in his apology," an unidentified member of the caucus said.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.

http://www.local6.com/news/11856683/detail.html
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WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO CALL THEM!? Citizen-ly-challenged???

Illegal is Illegal what else are they suppose to be called?

Yes, yes it is. But I can't say aynthing or I'll get fired.

So, we can add "illegal" and "alien" to the list of forbidden words?

That's going to make it tough on Roswell investigators.

FAX

They should be called whatever doesn't insult them. They are here because they simply want a better life; it doesn't matter if they broke the law in doing so.

Little green men are just undocumented immigrants, IMO. We need to build a giant wall in outer space to keep them out. And sharks. With frikkin' laser beams. Yeah.

WTF? Are the members of the Florida Hispanic Legislative Caucus trying to say there are no illegal aliens? The email said nothing of any nationality or race of illegal aliens. Just "illegal aliens".

Sounds like maybe the INS needs to pay a visit to the Florida Hispanic Legislative Caucus.

Nappy headed thread...

I wonder if people would have been upset by: Don't forget to pay your taxes: Haliburton needs new window dressings!

(Of course, neither one bothers me)

Illegal Alien is a term they chose when they decided to sneak in through the back door instead of striding bravely through the front.

I know, but it's still very hurtful. How would you like to be called an "alien?"

Unfriggin real.

Hey the civil rights of ILLEGAL Aliens have been violated. For shame, we are such horrible American Citizens to make a joke about this.


I think the term Felon would apply nicely.

Wouldn't bother me a bit if it was true. If I didn't like it I would get to work on changing it. Anyone who doesn't care enough to do what it takes to obtain legal status is not worthy of being in my country. Anyone who does care to take those steps I welcome with open arms.

So would you rather them be called "illegal residents of this great country?"

Or "persons who emigrated from another country into the USA illegally?"

If I fit the definition of the word, not a bit.

**** your devil's advocate.

LMAO

Go easy, this is an issue Donger probably has more insight on than we do.

:spock:

What the hell are we supposed to call them? "Uninvited, but still honored, guests"?

Pretty foolish.

I see what you mean, Mr. Donger. It sounds as if you're referring to them as creepy Martians, or something. Let's call them "crazy puppy farts".

FAX

WE CUM N PEEZ

I know a great way on how they can deal with hurt feelings.

PAY TAXES

ROFL

How about "honest, hard-working guest workers?"

Generally, guests are invited.

That's easy for you to say. You don't know how hard the road to naturalization is.

Yes, I do. It takes lots of time, or money.

Jump through the hoops just like everyone else from other countries that have become citizens of America did. Quit leeching.

Migrant workers, yearning to breathe free.

Or both.

Hard working maybe. How can we call them honest if they are knowingly breaking the law to be here?

Good for you Donger, keep up the good work. Nobody appreciates a thing more than him that had to work for it. I can tell that is true with you and your citizenship.

So because the road to being a citizen of our (yes, yours and mine) great country is difficult, we should kowtow to those who SNEAKED in here ILLEGALLY and are sucking off of our tax dollars (which are rightfully intended for those who are legally here)? Those who take jobs from my neighbors (who are more than willing to do those low paying jobs for the second income). Please explain your definition of correctness and fairness.

This thread isn't about whether they're wanted or how hard they had to work for it.

The issue is that Illegal Aliens is the absolute correct definition of undocumented workers.

I guess when someone tells me that I alienated them, I should sue them. Or get their radio show pulled from the air.

They honestly want to come here and contribute to our society. Is it really dishonest to break an immoral law? Anyone and everyone should be able to come to this great country, green card or no.

I don't know what you're talking about here.

It's not an immoral law. Immoral would mean that the majority of people disagree with it.

I even agree with your position. I just disagree that Illegal Alien is somehow a derogatory term.

They WANT a better life. Don't you get that? They do the jobs Americans don't want to do.

That alone forgives them breaking some arcane law, IMO.

That's not entirely true, but there is a lot of truth to that.

Really? We are supposed to be a melting pot not the only porta-potty in the field that every one uses.

Morality has nothing to do with the majority opinion.

That's because you're not, right?

Damn straight.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Morality has EVERYTHING to do with majority opinion. That's what morals are. Morality is determined by a group. Ethics is what is personal. You might be able to argue that the law is unethical, but you can't say that it's immoral.

No, I'm not. I'm also not an abridged novel, but if I were a 20 page version of Moby Dick, I wouldn't be offended by that label.

It's not my fault that you're a racist.

Read my posts and you will see that your position on illegals is exactly the same as mine.

LOL WHAT?

Sorry, that was uncalled for. I just get all worked up about this issue.

You don't get to decide that you can break a law because you disagree with it. In this country if we don't agree with a law we work to change it but in the meantime we must obey and uphold that law.
What do you tell all the people who enter legally and go through the proper channels? That all their efforts are worthless, that someone can have the same thing they worked so hard for without paying for it?

No problem. The point is that it isn't only latinos that are "aliens." There are also german aliens that are here illegally, indian (dot, not feather) aliens that are here illegally, canadian aliens that are here illegally.

All are illegal aliens, by definition. It has nothing to do with race.

Exactly. A judge might disagree with a law, but that doesn't mean he can find someone not guilty of a crime because of his personal feelings on the matter (at least, not without serious consequences). There are rules.

Actually, you can. You just have to live with the consequences of breaking that law. Migrant guest workers live with that hanging over their heads every second of every day.

I don't know: "Sucks to be you."?

It's that attitude that contributes to the Growing, Inflamed, Itchy, Politically Correct Vagina that grows in this country.

We should apologize to them and allow them to continue to not pay taxes, leech off of the system of those that do, and also apologize for not learning to how to speak Spanish.

Yes, and when you make the decision to break that law you are acting illegally and are therefore rightfully called Illegal Alien.

"Sucks to be you"? I wish the pro-illegal crowd would use that argument; we would be rid of them PDQ when the American public got wind of it.

Would you please refer to them as "migrant guest workers" please?

How about "non-legally participating migrant guest worker?"

I'm curious as to why I should.

How are they, in any way, "guests" if they're coming here illegally?

Guest workers are approved foreign workers on a temporary or permanent basis here to fill jobs essential to the U.S. economy, according to the Department of Labor.

What I mean is that every civilized country in this world has some sort of legal methodology to enter and become a citizen. The law applies to all who enter the US and want to become a citizen. It is not just in place for Mexicans. It applies to all. If an immigrant wants to enter the US and become a citizen, there is a method to do so.

I want it to be somewhat difficult for an immigrant to enter this country and become a citizen because I want to be damn sure that undesirables (criminals, terrorists, spies, ect...) do not enter the US. Now, if that is tooooo difficult for someone and they want to enter illegally, then they have taken on the responsibility for their action as far as I am concerned. And, if that means deportation - hasta la vista, sayonara, bye-bye. This nation is a nation of laws and if someone entering does not respect our laws upon entry, what do you think the odds are that they are going to respect our laws while they are here.

Btw, I call them illegal immigrants but I have no problem calling them aliens because THEY ARE ALIEN to our country not being a citizen.

Because they are guests. We actually DO want them, but as long as it's on our terms.

Just to clarify:

il·le·gal /ɪˈligəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-lee-guhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
–noun
3. Informal. illegal alien.
[Origin: 1620–30; < ML illégālis. See il-2, legal]

—Related forms
il·le·gal·ly, adverb

—Synonyms 1. unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed. Illegal, unlawful, illegitimate, illicit, criminal can all describe actions not in accord with law. Illegal refers most specifically to violations of statutes or, in organized athletics, codified rules: an illegal seizure of property; an illegal block (in football). Unlawful means not sanctioned by or according to law: an unlawful claim to the inheritance; to take unlawful advantage of the trading situation. Illegitimate means lacking legal or traditional right or rights: an illegitimate child; illegitimate use of privileged knowledge. Illicit, which originally meant simply “not permitted,” now most often applies to matters regulated by law with specific emphasis on the way things are carried out: illicit conversion of property; an illicit attempt to control the market. Criminal most often refers to violation of the statutes of penal as opposed to civil law. All felonies are criminal as are all crimes sometimes punishable by death such as murder, arson, and kidnapping: a criminal act.



al·ien /ˈeɪlyən, ˈeɪliən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eyl-yuhn, ey-lee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.
–adjective
5. residing under a government or in a country other than that of one's birth without having or obtaining the status of citizenship there.
6. belonging or relating to aliens: alien property.
7. unlike one's own; strange; not belonging to one: alien speech.
8. adverse; hostile; opposed (usually fol. by to or from): ideas alien to modern thinking.
9. extraterrestrial.
[Origin: 1300–50; ME < MF < L aliénus, equiv. to *alies- (ali-, base of alius other + -es- n. suffix) + -nus adj. suffix]

—Synonyms 1. immigrant. 2. See stranger. 3. outcast. 7. exotic, foreign.

What about the "legal aliens?" How do you feel about them?

They're not guests unless they're invited or approved.

Again, I think you're making a racial issue out of something that isn't a racial issue at all. Asians can be illegal aliens just as much as any latino, but somehow, latinos think they "own" the issue of immigration.

guest?

With guest, I can kick them out of my house when I am ready!

Legal aliens? Do you mean actual legal guest workers? People who have entered legally with a work visa? We have quite a few working for my company in exactly that role. But, I do not consider them aliens though they are to the US. I'm not hot on the "alien" word but the millions here illegally are certainly not "migrant guest workers". I call them illegal immigrants. They are here illegally and no play on words can change that.

I also believe that the changing of terms (or the PC'ing of the terms) is bent on future acceptance/amnesty of them. If we call them guest workers long enough then maybe the entire populace will see them that way and not try to enforce our borders or hold them accountable for entering the US illegally.

:rolleyes:

I think the populace will start seeing them that way when they actually become that way.

You people are horrible. You can sit there in your nice legal house, with your nice legal job and complain about these guest workers all you want. Like I said, it's easy for you.

Put yourself in their shoes: if you could enter a better country in a non legally participatory way in order to better your life and the lives of your children, you would.

You're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

We can only hope. That will be a great day of realization of the truth.

Not a hypocrit, just a horribly legal AMERICAN!

Were you born here?

A little off topic, but I was absolutely floored the other day when I saw an all spanish ad on a local TV (non-spanish) channel. I guess I shouldn't be too shocked though. They're freaking taking over Vegas now. There are whole sections of town that are all Mexican, businesses, signs, everything. And they're all wearing or displaying their Mexican green, white, and red colors. If you have so much pride for Mexico, why not live there? Oh yeah, you're trying to make America "Mexico north".

Again, you're making a racial issue out of an issue that isn't necessarily racial. Illegal aliens can come from Great Britain just as much as they can come from Mexico.

And people DO want them here. The US has ALWAYS been a nation of immigrants. It's how our population has always grown and it's how our economy thrives. And they provide more money to the US, in terms of business production and some form of payroll tax (even if they don't pay federal income tax, most illegal aliens pay some sort of tax) and taxes on goods bought here. Illegals make up about 8.8% of the people on welfare, compared to 7.9% of American citizens, so it's not a HUGE difference.

But it's the principal. They need to follow the laws.

And that is STILL getting away from the point that the term "alien" is correctly applied in reference to ANYONE from ANY COUNTRY that is non-native to the United States.

Ya, the best part of that would watching their terrified faces when INS shows up, and having to explain that the whole family was forced to brieak the law and become criminals...because the citizens of their homeland can't seem to create a decent standard of livng in the 21st century?

You mean "Las Vegas?" Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Spanish city...

Oh no you don't. Don't you insult me or mine or anyone else by saying we would stoop so low as to be illegals. My family and those of the majority of Americans came into this country through the front door.
Don't you lump us in with those who don't have the integrity, drive, or pride to do so.

I fail to see where I mentioned race at all in the post you quoted. I'm well aware that non legally participating migrant guest workers come from all over.

Hey, I'm all for a blanket legalization of those that are here. We need to get everyone into the system.

But at the same time, we must tighten border security. Not to keep immigrants out, but to keep out those who wish to do this country harm. Unfortunately for those who wish to come here freely and have no ill-will, this hurts them. But sorry, Charlie. This country won't be around for them to enjoy the benefits if we don't take some measures to protect who comes in.

It's an absolute catch-22.

You, sir, are a cruel, heartless beast.

From which country did your family emigrate?

You didn't, in that post. But you called me a racist before that, so I have to continue in thinking that at least one of us is making this into a racial thing.

I said I was sorry.

Italy and Czechoslovakia.