Clayton on Trent. espn radio. 9:50pm.
 

Dolphins aren't interested in a trade.

Trent is pleading to Peterson to let him go.

Peterson is waiting for a pick that's not coming.

Dolphins will just wait for him to be cut.

Then hold his ass to the last cut.

Its business at this point, and if the Chiefs get nothing of value in return, why in the hell would be POSSIBLY want to help a conference team, who have tried to stick a thumb in their arse?

CP holds the cards and ows NOTHING to Miami.

Eff Miami. Go with Cleo Lemon and a peg leg until final cut.

Stupid move on both teams' part.

The Dolphins should know that if they're going to go through with this, the Chiefs WILL hardball them and wait until the last possible moment to cut Green. The Dolphins won't even be able to try him out for a preseason game before the season starts.

And the Chiefs just plain ol' ****ed this up. We had all the leverage in our court at one point and shit just hit the fan.

Lemon stunk it up at minicamp
Culpepper must be healing

I read that Culpepper said he will be healthy by minicamp. I will see if I can find a link.

Trent will have trade value eventually.... some starter will get hurt in training camp and someone will want him... hold on to him to the last cut day

The Dolphins as a rebuilding team don't want to give anything up for an old player when they will suck with or without him.........can't say I blame them.

See that 7.2 million dollar base he has.....all he has to do is say he will not renegotiate for them and the deals dead right there.

Yep.

Only difference

Phins without Trent - 5-11

Phins with Trent - 7-9

SO whats the point??

Because their sixth rounder next year is going to put them over the top. Right.

have they asked C-pep
to redo his deal yet

Trent needs to go on Miami radio and tell Miami fans that he's upset that Miami isn't giving up the 4th that it would take to get him in town and start winning games.

I'm not sure that there is a sports talk host down there that has a man-crush on him like we have here.

ah-ha.....SO, you haven't been banned. All it right in the universe.

Proceed with your dumbassery. It's a Constitutionally protected right, you know....heh.

Well....he is...er, well, "cute" in a manly sort of way. Yet has a bigger penis than UP. :hmmm:

Hopefully something can get worked out

Oh, yeah....I almost forgot.

ANYBODY but the Dolphins. :harumph:

Ship his ass to Buffalo, or Oakland...for a seventh round choice if you have too. :)

Green is going to knock C-pep
out of a job -where's the C-pep love

I think he has some kind of control written into his contract.

Carl is the only moron who thinks he is worth a 2nd. He is about worth what Plummer was and that was a 4th as he is slightly better but few years older.

Carl doesn't think he's worth a second. Carl thinks he's worth a 4th, last I heard.

Initially he did when teams were interested or Cleveland and Oakland besides Miami. Supply vs demand and Green isn't in demand. You guys tell miami to start Cleo Lemon but Beck would start over him.

Who the fugg cares? Seriously? We can keep him on the roster, and force his stupid and stubborn ass to retire...or compete for a backup role with us. Miami wants him; we could still use him. We still have the upper hand, UNLESS he retires....which would be just fine by us at this point.

Go fugg yourself, Miami. :rolleyes:

Then, go ahead....start Beck. ROFLROFLROFL

it's called negotiating, you dumb ass

if Miami doesn't want to negotiate, that's fine...they can have him the last day possible.......

Bottom-line is:

Miami painted themselves into a corner. They thought the Chiefs would give them a window to crawl out of....

sit there and rot, you pathetic cheap-assed bastards. :cuss:







That is all. :)

Isn't it about time for Al Davis to give Jiffylube a first round for Jeff George again? Dilfer won a superbowl once...maybe Al can land him.

Rivers will go down in August
right after Green is released
Norv and Green together again

This from a fan of the dumb ****ing team that traded for Randy Moss and didn't even have a QB to get him the ball. Dumbest team in the league, bar none.

Al Davis' butt still hurts over not being able to pick the class of the draft. Everyone in Oaktown is just praying that Jamarcus works out. Meanwhile, Detroit finally got it right with the 1st round WR selection. I think it's all priceless.

I still think the Chiefs can just hold Trent Green and if he starts to get going in the media just deactivate him and let him sit. This one is squarely on Miami for trying to lowball the Chiefs.

Amen! I thought someone took out the trash, but apparently autism wind was left behind.. :shake:

Carl has botched this beyond belief. Miami called his bluff and now he is sitting with egg on his face, backed into a corner.

Will Carl really keep Trent on the roster as a 9 million dollar back-up? If he doesn't, he shows the world that he just got made a fool of by Miami. If he does, then shows the world he is even more proud than he is stupid.

LMAO That is fucking golden. Nice one my friend.

Why the hell would Buffalo want a QB, I've seen a few people mention them.....really I want to know why they'd want one.

Trent Green couldn't even play there.......his arm isn't remotely strong enough.

I really dont think so, a 6th rounder? pfft just cut him rather then give in. Some QB will go down in Training camp. Maybe Miami goes with Pep if he is healthy. Trent will have no where to go and have to accept a trade or get cut and be out of football. Miami is going to have to do something once TC comes. Just hold on to his ass as long as possible, IF we get nothing, then so what, it was only a 6th rounder to begin with. I think we already hit on our lucky late round Draft pick for the next 5-10 years anyways.

Hard to negotiate when you are asking gold prices for lead. You guys just can't handle the truth and the truth is noone is interested in Green (37 year old with 7 mil a year contract) unless he renegotiates and the Chiefs management wakes up and relizes his worth.

You forgot to mention Trent will be 45 next year.

Does anyone else smell the irony in this post?

I still don't get this. Everyone expects to see him in a Dolphin uniform this season, but isn't there a good chance we will keep him? It's not like he is a washed out veteren QB. It doesn't make sense that we aren't considering him as a possible starter given where we are in the negotiations. I still think we should have him be our starter if he is hands down showing he's a better QB than Croyle and Huard. If we have cap room we should try to make it work with Trent rather cutting him and giving him up for nothing. As much as I dislike CP, I have to agree with his strategy here.

I didn't need that image running around in my head, damnit! :cuss:

How the eff is Green gonna run an offense manned by a bunch of kids who are clueless about how great he used to be?

Thats basically 100% correct. The Fins are going to probably suck anyways. A 37 yr old QB isnt going to put them in the playoffs.

Peterson isn't going to let them "win" this though, either. If he becomes a Dolphin, it won't be before training camp.

Forgive me if this has been asked before, but does anyone know the difference in salary cap hit, if any, between releasing him June 1 and releasing him the day before the regular season?

if they are rebuilding then why did they pick up Culpepper last year or Joey Porter and Keith Traylor this year?

none

Awesome!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Listening to KK today was excruciatingly painful.

I am not gay- but I LOVE Trent.

First, KC has told Trent that they plan to give Croyle 80% of the snaps in TC. I doubt there is a way to win the QB battle getting 10% of the snaps (assuming Damon gets the other 10%). Second, KC has told Trent that they want to get younger at the QB position and they want him to take a pay cut and be a back up. Third, Trent has told KC that he will not take a pay cut to play for the Chiefs and that he does not want to be a back up at this point in his carreer. I believe that there is virtually no chance in hell that Trent is back with KC this year. With all that has been said, I just don't see how they can patch things up. Stranger things have happened, but i just don't see a way. It's like sharing a room with your ex-girlfriend after a break up. It seldom works.

Laz
Just a question. Is this a change in the last CBA? I know they used to be able to spread the prorated portion of the signing bonus over 2 years if the player was dropped after June 1st and had the take the full hit if he was dropped before. Did this recently change?

New CBA rule starting this year -

Prior to the start of the league year, teams may designate up to two (2) veteran players that they will cut after June 1 to spread out the signing bonus escalation (See 1.9b). In so designating them, the team allows these players to become free agents at the start of the free agency period -- although their cap liability remains with the original team just as it would have if the player had stayed on the roster until after June 1.

I assume Sammy Knight and maybe Eric Hicks were already given that honor. Maybe not. CP might have kept one of these just to be able to use for Trent.

Thanks. Any way of knowing who the "chosen ones" are?

Just curious where you got the 80% figure from. I haven't heard or read that anywhere. Green said "majority" in his interview on 810.

Green has told the Chiefs he will not return
but there have been reports he works out at Arrowhead
and goes to QB meetings -this makes no sense

One of them HAS to be Eric Hicks.

I'm not sure why this supposed 80% of snaps is an issue.

I'd be willing to bet Trent hasn't taken more than 30% of the snaps in any preseason with the Chiefs, including camp.

First teamers are never on the field in preseason games, and the time I spent at camp last year, I didn't see a whole lot of Trent. The majority of the work went to Huard and Printers. (Brodie was out 2 of the 3 days I was there)

I really think CP is sincere when he said there would be competition for the job. I just think Trent is worried he can't beat out Brodie or Damon......

ROFL

I really don't think that's an issue. I think that Trent just doesn't want to play for this coaching staff/team/front office any longer. I think it has very little to do with a fear of competition.

Certainly. He's used to being coddled and this is rough on him.

Laugh all you want.

If Peterson feels it's better to pay Trent than give him away, then he's gonna be here, whether he likes it or not. Granted, he'll hold out, but:

What fits Carl's MO more?

Playing a rookie QB, winning 6 games and not having a full stadium.

or

Playing the fan favorite, winning 8-9 games, keeping butts in seats, and maybe squeaking out a playoff berth?

This won't happen, because Trent has already burned his bridges.

He's also used to being able to actually throw the ball on some downs other than 3rd.

And not running for his GD life every down.

Ridiculous hyperbole.

Not an ounce of truth to it and the Gamelogs from last year prove it.

Almost as ridiculous as your hyperbole that Trent's leaving the team because he isn't being coddled enough. I know better than to try to get into some protracted argument with you about it, though.

Trent is not going to play for KC in 2007.

Trent doesn't want to play in KC. Trent won't be given a real opportunity to win the job. Herm wants a younger QB. Herm doesn't want a risk taker at QB.

Plus, Green is no longer the fan favorite. 50% of the fan base turned on him last year and an additional 30-40% turned on him after his interview last week.

Then he shouldn't be going to Miami.

The OL there is no better off than ours.

Trent leaving the team because he isn't coddled enough is based firmly on my own opinion.

You assertion that we only throw on 3rd down is something else entirely.

Nice try.

The best way I can term a coddled DV player is High Maintenance. Specifically with Dante because of their close relationship. But Trent as well basically for the same reason.

Considering the circumstances how this has played out, last year and this offseason, I've felt that it is just a situation where it is time to move on. I respect Green and still like him ( not as much after the interview ) but with the open competition @ QB there is nothing good he could bring to this team. It's not in his personality.

Just look at his background from the start. 8th rd pick who went to the CFL to keep his dream alive. Bounced around and became the #3 guy in WASH. He obviously isn't the greatest athlete, not mobile, not the strongest arm, but he has the intelligance and the fact he has worked his way up the ladder and back from injuries that mold his character and obviously something he brings with him on the field to drive him.

Now look back at STL and his exit there. Obviously DV and Saunders were a huge part of that. If we didn't trade for him another team may have or maybe he would have had to settle and battle Kurt Warner in a not likely competition. Basically 6 years here with no danger at all of losing his job until the controversy when he was ready to come back from the concussion.

Also look at his tenure in KC. His "competition". Todd Collins, Bubby Brister, Jon Quinn, Joe Germaine, Damon Huard, and James Kilian. CP acted very interested in Harrington when we drafted Sims. He alluded to the fact a few times during Green's tenure that he wanted to explore drafting and grooming a QBOTF that Carl hadn't done and really neither has the team, ever. We didn't even really consider anything more than a Killian type because he never wanted Green looking over his shoulder. DV wanted nothing to do with that. Collins, Brister, and now Huard have been good backups, but with the exception of last year none have ever been a threat. More like guys who were very content with being a backup. 3rd string? Hell, those were Huard, Brister, and Quinn. DV had no intention of even grooming a guy there and sending a wrong message to the QB who he took care of.

Green did pay him back with his loyalty playing very well. That's not the point. Now with Herm here and drafting Croyle and bringing in Printers to compete, it shows he really is doing what's best for the team to win now and the future.

Green is not a mentor. Not to QB's. Doesn't mean he isn't a leader. He is spoiled and high maintenance. Can't really blame him as that's what he is used too. He can handle adversity. He can't handle change, inconvience, or an actuall competition.

Unless he actually is ready to accept he is in the last 1-3 yrs or so of his playing career, John Beck and Cleo Lemon will learn this as well if or when he goes to Miami. Terry Shea knows this and how to handle it, but I wonder how Cameron is in regards to DV and Saunders.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Especially one who has no intention of addapting.

Errr. Okay.

Damn it's nasty how some of you have turned on Green. The guy was told he is being replaced and wants to play somewhere else. Why would a QB who is used to a scoring offense want to play for ultra conservative Herm Edwards and an offense that is doomed to take a big step backward this year?

oh please...... how did they coddle Green in the last system?




could it be .... possible that this offensive system sucks?!?

The last 2yrs prior to this draft he did commentary for ESPN. He talked on the topic of a younger player at his position and the prospect of mentoring a young qb. The first year when we took Kilian he didn't act like he would go out of his way to bring him along. He really didn't seem thrilled at all being on camera after we drafted Croyle either.

His stance was basically take notes, listen to coaches, but he wouldn't hold their hand, etc. I know Brett Favre wasn't really thrilled when GB drafted Rogers either. Nor are most players at any position.

Me calling him spoiled is more of a lack of a better term. He is used to a certain way things go, certain coaches and staff, and system.

No matter the situation or the team or the system I just don't see him as accepting a backup role. Really nothing at all wrong with that either. He's made his money. Thank heavens for Miami otherwise he would have no choice but to retire if he didn't want to play for KC.

it's true ...... many of the same people that actually started bleeding through their kotex if anyone even hinted at a Green weakness before are now trashing him like he's a faider.

just goes to show that they never based their opinions on reality in the first place.

Wait until the first preseason game when Croyle doesn't look so good. It will be "the Chiefs need Green".

What happens if Croyle stinks and Huard goes down? I wonder what kind of explosion we'll see here...

I love Trent, given the situation, give the guy what he wants and let him go. We owe him that..

Well, actually Trent Green turned on the team in my opinion. No player is above the team, none.
He cried like a bitch, during that interview last week, that did it for me.
His strengths were loyalty and leadership and he took a dump on both of those.
I don't like him even being associated with the Chiefs anymore, after what he said.

As an outsider I guess I put more stock in NewChief's take on where Green is coming from than I do the takes of media or fans.
Obviously you have a stake in this situation whereas I'm only an observer and so you are probably better qualified to assess the situation than am I.

I didn't hear the interview...what'd he say?

Personally I loved green and backed him even when his struggles were hard to watch, mostly his first season which was an adjustment for everyone.

He's stepped up in the pocket and taken a beating making some very key passes. It was really awesome seeing some of the blocks he made. As long as he got up from them that always put a huge smile on my face.

I understand the circumstance and I really don't have a problem with most of his interview. The things that piss me off are:

Calling the young guys nieve. Very lame IMO.

Making the big deal of Hicks' release. We don't hear Eric bitching do we? Ever year players get cut after the draft or after June 1. I don't know how much more classy we could have been. He is one of the few vets that they release a statement thanking the family as well as the player for his on and off field contributions. He must not have got the memo that overpaid underproductive players are no out the door since DV is no longer around. Especially after the draft that it is clear he is not needed. The NFLPA must be furious with the news that Keyshawn was released after the draft. What an injustice.

I don't know if this has been discussed much but he also alluded to the thinking that some vets were confused about what is going on this offseason and the direction we are headed. Who exactly would this be? All most all of our D has been overhauled with Sims and Hicks being cut. Shields retired and I don't think Green's situation had much if anything to do with that. Kennison is a vet that from his recent interview seems excited to teach Bowe and Webb and the rest of the youngsters. Also seems ok with the QB situation. Hell, Tony Gonzalez was on NFL totall access back in early March and didn't really seem to care one way or another except he seemed to side W/ Huard. Probably because of Huard's vet status and Gonzalez like most vets don't look forward to a rookie QB's struggles. Understandable but he didn't seem confused to me. Maybe Casey Wiegmann is pissed. Samie Parker too.

The whole changing the offense thing. Maybe when DV, Saunders, Trich, Holmes, and Roaf leave at the same time you have to change a bit. He must have been with the rest of the bunch in "don't touch it, leave it alone" not realizing we had no choice.

Maybe he didn't realize it was and is time to slim down the playbook and get the opportunity for some skilled position guys on the field. Let them go out and play while not thinking about the 765 pg playbook. The shorter practice took away from what they were used to with installing and running all those plays. I don't recall any vets bitching with shorter practices and keeping their legs fresh.

Maybe he didn't realize this offense drastically changed the day Priest Holmes was injured and LJ became the starter.

I don't hate him. I hope to always remember him with the rest of the exciting offense. I think it would be cool to have him team w/ Mitch Holthus someday. Those are the only parts of the interview I have problems with. It sure didn't help that KK was doing the interview.