Have you ever looked at LT's stats?
 

27 years old with 100TD's and after this season he'll have over 10,000 yards. He's way under 30. He will break yards and td records for all RB's. Good bye Emmit.

Damn he's a bad ass.

Glad to see Emmitt go down so fast.

Add about 3,000 yards receiving and 11 receiving TD's and you're looking at a guy who's on his way to Canton.

I think he's not on his way. I think the bust is being made already and just waiting for him to retire and become eligible. He's already there if he stops playing today.

He'll be in there anyways even if he quit today.

If he goes another 6 years like his first 6, we'll have all been fortunate enough to see the best running back in the history of the game. The whole 'plays for a rival' part, sucks, but he is what he is, and for probably 75% of his career so far, he's done it with shit for an o-line, up until the last year and a half or so.

The Chargers were idiots. They traded away the opportunity to draft the only legitimate Superstar in that draft, Michael Vick. What did they get in return?

Thankfully, we have someone like Carl Peterson running our front office.

Sandy Eggo should trade him now. Everyone knows a back can't keep up that kind of pace. He's already shot his wad in this league and it's nothing but downhill from here.

If LT played for Oakland or Denver, it would be different. It's hard to Hate San Diego, even though they are a division rival. I've never heard anyone go on a rant about how SD plays dirty, has a crappy owner, or any of the stuff that we love to hate about the "other two" teams in the division.

Wont matter, LT will never have a championship ring, so he'll get passed on the ballot for the first five years he is eligible...or he'll wind up like Ricky Williams....or traded to another team for draft picks....


LT is just another Barry Sanders....his star-status burns bright for a few years...then dissappears into oblivion.

Hes just another Ki-Jana Carter....Curtis Enis....Errict Rhett.....the list goes on.

No Doubt LT is an exceptional RB.... HOF likely a lock even if he tapers off.

I meant that in terms of watching him play against us twice a year, although, to our credit, we've probably been as good at neutralizing him as anyone.

And the longer they're competitive, the easier it is to hate them. The pity is gone, they're not the lovable, goofy little brother in the division anymore. The Raiders are trying to take that role.

I find I do dislike SD slightly less now that martyocre is gone. I got a bizarre enjoyment out of watching him spin his wheels year after year.

I think LT is good, but barry sanders called, he says you're wrong

hating sandy eggo is like hating snoopy... it's just plain difficult

As long as Al Davis is in Oakland and Shanarat is in Denver, I'm going to hate both teams. The wounds like the 97 playoffs run pretty deep.

SD has no single player or defining moment that makes me hate them. They certainly are a better team with a brighter future than we are (at least, for the moment) but I've never yelled about how their players or coach are dirty, cheating bastards or how I hate their owner or anything like that.

You may be right, over time that might happen. But I don't have a problem losing with dignity if the team is just better. When you have Neil Smith taunting the audience after a playoff loss while the rest of the team is wiping vaseline off their uniforms, that breeds a lot of hate. SD, on the other hand seems like a classy organization.

But Snoopy never choked...especially when all the odds were with him.


Hell..even Charlie Brown and the Peanuts gang could have won the Super Bowl berth....instead of losing to a second rate team.

I guess I never really hated San Diego. Now that Marty's gone, they don't even register on the radar anymore with me.

Barring major injury, he'll shatter almost all the Rushing records.

He would call today, he wouldn't 5 years from now, if LT continues at his current pace.

LT is at a Ken Griffey Junior-esque phase of his career. If he keeps it up, yes he'll break all the records, but who's to say he won't suffer a bad injury (he hasn't yet), or a drop in productivity (he has had a heavy workload his entire career).

It's a definite possibility, but by no means a given.

I must admit that I f***ing HATE Shawne Merriman.

Roided up hot head career-ender.

Dirty, cheating bastard.

Tomlinson through 6 seasons:

Among the league's all-time top 50
Rushes:26Rushing yards:24Rushing TDs:6tYards from scrimmage:38Rush/Receive TDs:11t

Never once under 1200 yds rushing. Over 2,000 total yards in 3 of the 6 seasons. Over 1600 yds rushing in 3 of the 6 seasons. Never under 10 TDs in a season. Never less than 51 receptions in a season.

LT is a beast and through 6 seasons, he's taken a physical pounding... I do wonder how long he can last at this pace with 339+ carries in each of the last 3 seasons, while having more than 150 receptions in that time.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2001 sdg | 16 | 339 1236 3.6 10 | 59 367 6.2 0 |
| 2002 sdg | 16 | 372 1683 4.5 14 | 79 489 6.2 1 |
| 2003 sdg | 16 | 313 1645 5.3 13 | 100 725 7.2 4 |
| 2004 sdg | 15 | 339 1335 3.9 17 | 53 441 8.3 1 |
| 2005 sdg | 16 | 339 1462 4.3 18 | 51 370 7.3 2 |
| 2006 sdg | 16 | 348 1815 5.2 28 | 56 508 9.1 3 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 95 | 2050 9176 4.5 100 | 398 2900 7.3 11 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Barry Sanders through 10 seasons:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1989 det | 15 | 280 1470 5.2 14 | 24 282 11.8 0 |
| 1990 det | 16 | 255 1304 5.1 13 | 36 480 13.3 3 |
| 1991 det | 15 | 342 1548 4.5 16 | 41 307 7.5 1 |
| 1992 det | 16 | 312 1352 4.3 9 | 29 225 7.8 1 |
| 1993 det | 11 | 243 1115 4.6 3 | 36 205 5.7 0 |
| 1994 det | 16 | 331 1883 5.7 7 | 44 283 6.4 1 |
| 1995 det | 16 | 314 1500 4.8 11 | 48 398 8.3 1 |
| 1996 det | 16 | 307 1553 5.1 11 | 24 147 6.1 0 |
| 1997 det | 16 | 335 2053 6.1 11 | 33 305 9.2 3 |
| 1998 det | 16 | 343 1491 4.3 4 | 37 289 7.8 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 153 | 3062 15269 5.0 99 | 352 2921 8.3 10 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+


Tomlinson has Sanders beat already on TDs (rushing and overall) as well as receiving yards. Just another 6200 or so yards to go...

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Emmitt has the bar set pretty high though...
LT is halfway there on yards and should catch him on the TDs in 3 seasons.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1990 dal | 16 | 241 937 3.9 11 | 24 228 9.5 0 |
| 1991 dal | 16 | 365 1563 4.3 12 | 49 258 5.3 1 |
| 1992 dal | 16 | 373 1713 4.6 18 | 59 335 5.7 1 |
| 1993 dal | 14 | 283 1486 5.3 9 | 57 414 7.3 1 |
| 1994 dal | 15 | 368 1484 4.0 21 | 50 341 6.8 1 |
| 1995 dal | 16 | 377 1773 4.7 25 | 62 375 6.0 0 |
| 1996 dal | 15 | 327 1204 3.7 12 | 47 249 5.3 3 |
| 1997 dal | 16 | 261 1074 4.1 4 | 40 234 5.8 0 |
| 1998 dal | 16 | 319 1332 4.2 13 | 27 175 6.5 2 |
| 1999 dal | 15 | 329 1397 4.2 11 | 27 119 4.4 2 |
| 2000 dal | 16 | 294 1203 4.1 9 | 11 79 7.2 0 |
| 2001 dal | 14 | 261 1021 3.9 3 | 17 116 6.8 0 |
| 2002 dal | 16 | 254 975 3.8 5 | 16 89 5.6 0 |
| 2003 ari | 10 | 90 256 2.8 2 | 14 107 7.6 0 |
| 2004 ari | 15 | 267 937 3.5 9 | 15 105 7.0 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 226 | 4409 18355 4.2 164 | 515 3224 6.3 11 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I couldn't stand Seau's gayass sack dance. Also, from long ago, that kicker they had with the HUGE dome and the single bar facemask.

Sanders will always be the best in my book.

Agreed. It's not about stats, if it were Emmitt Smith would be hands down the best RB. LT is the best right now, and he'll be top five by the end, but Barry Sanders was the best running back I've ever seen.

He was good but the best all around i ever watched play was Walter Payton.


"sweetness"

They're all great, but I'll agree with Barry and Walter being more fun to watch at times. Some of their moves were just beautiful.

I hope that he does break all of Emmitt's records. Emmitt's best quality was his durability. Can you even imagine what those records would look like if LJ played in that offense and managed to stay healthy as long as Emmitt did?

Let me first start by saying, LT, and Barry Sanders are F'ing amazing talent. You can't develop that type of talent. But, in my (newbie) opinion, they are different types of talents. What makes LT so great is his refriggindiculous speed combined with great intuition. Sanders didn't have blazing speed, but had crazy nimble feet and could make any defensive player miss and look like a 'tard. If you went through the highlight reels of the two players, LT couldn't throw down 35 jukes, and make the best defensive player in the NFL fall down, and Sanders couldn't break a Chiefs tackle and go for 85 yards by leaving the Chiefs in the dust.

To define one as better than the other would mean defining one's skill set as superior to the other's. Not something I would like to do, especially now, since LT hasn't summed up his career. Even after LT throws in the towel on a fantastic career, there will still be the arguement of the two playing for very different teams, talent levels, play calling, and perhaps even different eras.

Crucify me for riding the fence, but my final answer has to be that they are both fantastic players. I can't effectively evaluate one as higher than the other.

Damn, the Y/A for sanders over his career is impressive...

He's automatic with or without rings. He's also first ballot. Its a no brainer. He has to stay healthy though.

Sanders may be the best pure runner, with his gravity-defying ankle-breaking moves, but LT, if he avoids injury, will be the best *running back*. He's a better blocker than Sanders and he has more receptions in 4 fewer seasons. There's more to the game than being fun to watch.

Ahhh, the guys a bum...the Spider Rico of RB's.

I stopped reading here. did you ever see him play? sure, he made a lot of freakish moves, but after one or two moves, he was GONE down the field... freakish speed plus freakish agility=Barry Sanders, the best RB of all time (put him behind the chiefs o-lines of the 90's... :sulk: )

Barry also played in a ****ed up run and shoot offense. Barry was a decent blocker. He was never one to shy away from contact. LT has been playingh on good teams. Barry played on shit teams. I think they had like 1 good year.

LT will end up with better stats, but Barry started most of his runs with five defenders in the backfield. LT hasn't had to deal with near as bad of an O-line as Barry did. I guess we'll never know for sure, but put Barry behind a passable line and I bet he kills LT's stats.

If Barry had had 1 of our great lines or the Cowgirls of the 90's lines, theres simply NO question that he would be the greatest statistical RB of All-Time.

Nobody would have had a CHANCE.

The reason this does not work is because unlike LJ he is doing it without all the carries per season.

No better

Well, after four seasons here are both runners number of carries.

LT-1363
LJ-892

:spock: LJ sat on the bench as much as he played during the first three.

Right, so he should be fresher at this point in his career than LT.

People always forget that Barry had three different Probowl Lineman in front of him at one time or another...

Isn't LJ only a year younger then LT also???

I'm not sure about the particulars, but i'll bet they were pretty much 1 at a time.

Lomas Brown was the only rock he had that i know about.

Putting 10K miles on a car in 12 months is far less taxing on the car than putting 10K miles on it in 10 DAYS.

We had two pro bowlers on the o-line last year. Would you say we had a good o-line last year?

Good yes, Great no... Play-calling is what killed this team the most last year... Its hard to be great at anything if you telegraph the plays the whole season...

I'd say it's more like putting 10k on a car in 12 months as apposed to putting 7k on a car in a month and a half.

The point remains.

LT has more work total on his body. But LJ has intense wear in a short period of time, which in many ways is much worse.

Right, LT is the 7 year old car that they've been driving at 70 MPH down the highway for 6 seasons...

LJ is the slightly younge version that sat in the garage half the time early on, then the old lady took it out and stood on the gas going 90.

I still say Johnson has about three all-pro type seasons left in him, and that's fine with me.

And what makes LT even more amazing is:

LJ was Born: 11/19/1979

LT was Born: 06/23/1979

Lt is basically 5 months older and has managed 6 great seasons in 6 years... compared

To LJ's 2 great seasons in 4 years...(yes it is unfortunate that he had to sit behind Priest, but Priest was great when he was here not hurt...)


Not a shot on Larry, just saying how amazing LT has been with his career so far...

Barry Sanders > LT now

I will never put any RB above Barry Sanders, so the best LT can do in my opinion is tie him for best RB of all time.

And LT can juke the shit out of people. I don't know what Buehler445 is thinking. Ask Ty Law.

I must be a different breed.
I have no difficulty hating SD and that goes for Seattle when they were around and sucked.
Being a division rival is all the motivation I need.

Based on your criteria, Gale Sayers was teh best of all time.

He could do the same things as Sanders, only better, was faster, and unlike Sanders, rarely lost yardage.

gale was good, no doubt in my mind... however, he rarely had to face five guys in the backfield when he got the handoff

I was just stating my opinion. They are two different types of runners. Thats not to say LT never jukes, he does a lot of things well, but not to the level that Sanders did. That statement was made to reinforce the fact that they are two different types of runners and as a result, difficult to effectively compare.

LT had 4 rushing TDs today and tied up Jim Brown for 4th all time on the Rushing TD's list with 106 Rushing TDs...

He also passed The Diesel (Riggins) in this game...

He is 4 TDs away from tying Walter Payton for 3rd all time, 17 TDs away from tying Marcus Allen for 2nd all time, and 58 away from tying Emmitt Smith for 1st all time.

He is also about 300 yards away from 10,000 Rushing Yards for his career...

Hes 21st on the career rushing yards list, and can reallistically end the season at 16th.

He has been overused
worthless now /mecca

I always wonder if barry even if he had a line would go through and start doing his dance. I think barry sanders was the best running back to watch, but would take walter payton because he had power, speed, and agility. If I was to play one game and had to have one back it would be payton because he hardly ever took negative yards. I think sanders had the most negative plays of anyone ever. That kills drives.

why was this thread bumped

Too bad LT was a linebacker so this thread makes no sense...

8=====D O= LT suckfest 2008

You, Demonpenz, and Friendo are running neck and neck.

I wouldn't be in awe just yet for setting all-time records, alot of stuff could happen for that to happen specifically O-line giving out, and injuries could occur.

I remember watching some nfl films special about Sanders and it was stated that he actually lost close to 1500 yards total in his career with all the backwards running he did....

He plays on offense, so he's a first ballot hall of famer no doubt. I dont know if he can hold up and have a few more good years, If he does, he may be able to break the all time record.

ive seen LT say on TV that he might not even play another 3 years, so i will be surprised if he gets close to breaking Emmitt's 18,000+ yards

I dont know why this thread was bumped.

Anyways, even if you don't consider him anywhere near the greatest, he is a damn fine RB.

Not only that, but who had ever heard of him out of TCU and the Chargers drafted him 5th overall.

We got pretty lucky with that pick.

I get goosebumps when I think of some of the things he did. 31 TDs in a season? Thats amazing.

Yeah......uhhhh............I think if you would heve been around here at that time, you would have seen me and many others praying that he would be available when the Cheifs selected.

We knew, though, that was a pipe dream.

He was on everyone's radar.

Sooooooooooooooo reeruned.

Best of all time, I really don't think he was, but one of the best yes. I like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Emmitt Smith, I think all could be arguably considered the best.