Broncos want Chiefs safety
 

I know its old news but appears as fresh talks. I'm still against trading him to a rival.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/15962
Broncos want Chiefs safety
Posted: Tuesday July 24, 2007 10:24AM ET
The Broncos have repeatedly talked with Kansas City in the past month about the trade availability of safety Greg Wesley. Wesley's agent, Drew Pittman, confirmed the teams have talked because Wesley is hoping for a change of scenery and the Broncos are looking for depth at safety. The Broncos likely are offering a low-round pick and perhaps a backup player. The Chiefs are looking for help at cornerback

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No trades with those unholy fucks. EVER.

lOSER, NEWS!

Enh, not excited one way or the other here...

We would be. HE sucks.......

WELCOME!

He'd likely be your starting free safety.

Enh, who knows what he can do with a new team... it would be hard for him to mess up the secondary with Lynch, Bly and Bailey. We'll see how the Dline adjusts to the new faces. This guy doesn't concern me much at this point.

THE CHIEFIFICATION OF THE BRONCOS CONTINUES

Trading Wesley to the Broncos would improve the Chiefs and make Denver a little worse.

Oh **** yeah.

It's a match made in heaven.

Dude, that's what we were saying last year with Surtain, Law, and Knight.

Given his skill set though, even admitting his foibles, I still think he's starter quality, over Ferguson.

If Carl woiuld get off his ass he could trade Wesley for Champ!

We're all playing our roles here, but there's no telling what he'd do in Denver. Not sure Logical is on the mark at all...

Ok, dude.

I'm really not too concerned either way, but carry on.

Let me ask you MHM, as this thread's Broncos representative, I've been considering several packages that the Broncos and Chiefs could agree to. Give me your thoughts on each.

#1. Wes for a 5th rounder in 2008.

#2. Wes for Foxworth, straight up.

#3. Wes for Paymah and a 7th.

#4. Wes for a 5th and Reid.

I think #1 is most likely. #2 would be a great trade for both teams, but I don't think Shanahan or Broncos Nation wants to part with Fox, #3 would be a good deal for Denver and a marginal hosing for KC, and #4 would be a good deal for KC and a marginal hosing for Denver.

Well, I'm not sure I recall a time when Shanahan was hosed on a trade... I don't think they'll part with Foxworth. I would think a 5th rounder is too high and I'm certain that a 5th and a player is out.

I would imagine it may be a 6th or 7th straight up. I'd have to see what throw away CB they might have to dangle, but can't imagine one.

You guys don't have a 6th in 2008, and a 7th is a joke for a free safety with 7 years' experience as a starter that could realistically beat Ferguson out of a job.

Edit: You forked up a 6th for Jamie Kennedy.

Greg Wesley > Jamie Kennedy.

Wes for a 5th is probably about as square as it gets.

It looks like Denver might be parting ways with Sam Brandon. If that is the case then you have almost no choice but to go out and get Wesley.

If we are going to improve a division rivals roster it is not going to be for a mere 6th or 7th round pick. The price is going to be higher for Denver so we would get a 5th at the very least.

Like I said ... haven't looked into it, but color me surprised if there's a straight up trade involving a 5th rounder.

What is KC's stance on the guy if they don't get a trade done? Are they likely cutting him?

Ohhh, ok.

There's been no public indication one way or another, but the smart money is on Wes getting released. Williams and McGraw will do just fine as backup S, and Wes' attitude makes him undesirable in KC.

If he gets cut, it's no secret who picks him up. And the Chiefs would be foolish to pay Wes for an entire year just to keep him from Denver's grubby li'l paws.

I say, whatever hesitation Carl's experiencing, he needs to take a Xanax and pull off the deal.

After Pollard and Page, Wesly is by far the best S we have on the roster. The only reason we would deal him is for salary reasons or to give a young guy a chance.

Since we are also hurting at CB, I don't see any value in giving Wesley away for a 5th, let alone less.

We need a little depth in the secondary.

Wes' attitude has reportedly (from numerous sources) deteriorated. He's an attitude & locker room chemistry problem, and he's expressed the desire for a change of scenery.

I just don't see Shanahan giving a rival, much less KC anything exciting for this guy.

You won't get him for a 6th, simply because you are a divisional rival.

Nanny nanny boo boo... and that's why you won't get anything more than a 6th.


:p

Then if Sam Brandon is given an injury settlement have fun with Curome Cox and Hamzah Abdullah as backup safeties.

Oh, and John Lynch is old as dirt and Nick Ferguson is a free agent next year and the 2008 safety class sucks.

In 2 years Champ Bailey will be 31 and Dre' Bly will be 32. It's going to be fun to see this supposedly dominant secondary fall apart with age.

Well they won't get him for a 6th because they don't have a 6th to give.
You know, honestly, I'm surprised they're even making a run for him at all. The Chiefs and Broncos doing business is just bizarre, especially when there's a realistic chance they can pick him up if he gets released.

Then have fun with your crappy safeties.

Why would Denver initiate talks with KC about a trade if they weren't to give up more then market value? That would be a pretty dumbass move.

I guess Denver might have realized how horrible Wesley has been, and this is just a tactic to scare us into keeping him on our roster for another year.

Yeah, the Broncos' safety unit isn't strong, but I wouldn't hail Bailey and Bly as ancient at the age of 31 and 32. That's taking a bit of a leap there, especially since we currently have CBs ages 31 and 33, and we're doing pretty good.

I'll say this much - if the Broncos had Greg Wesley, they'd finally have a safety who I'd be in fear of making a play.

Hmmm... Surtain is 31 now. Law is 33 now. Right?

Help me out, so in 2 years... Bly and Bailey will be as old as your CBs are now. Ok.

Lynch is old, but still brings it. And, I'll take my chances with Cox and Abdullah the Butcher, I mean ... Wesley is a spare, right?

Wesley has always been deceiving because of his big play ability. Is it worth the big play if it cost three or four blown plays in exchange?

Denver sees a talented player who's very unhappy in Kansas City.

They figure a change of scenery will inspire his play.

They might be right. It's not a bad gamble, but the mental errors Wes' makes have been pervasive throughout his career, and they've been exacerbated in recent years with his unhappiness on the team.

That's about as good a summary of his time in KC as any.

A change of scenery has helped many players... How about Kennison? Another team's trash is another team's treasure fairly regularly in the NFL.

Not that you could make any of those trades but if you could pull of those steals you would deserve to be a GM.

I can see why Denver wants Wesley on their team.

I don't see why they would initiate talks with us, with the honest goal of acquiring him, if they didn't also realize we would want more from them then a non-divisional opponent.

Have you paid any attention to Shanahan when it comes to trades? I think he'll talk to and approach any team, with the exception of the Raiders. What's the harm with inquiring? Make a low ball offer and see what happens.

Shanahan isn't going to call Carl and say "Hey, I know we don't like each other... so, what if I gave you a R2 for that guy...".

Cox and Abdullah are SS by nature, though, and I think making the transition to FS might be tricky for them. They're just third year players.

Wes is comfortable in the FS slot, and outside of Ferguson, you've got nothing there. Harris isn't likely to make the team, IMO.

Wesley isn't exactly trash or "a spare" as you mentioned. He has more interceptions in the last five years than every safety on your roster COMBINED.

Again, who knows what will happen and we're not talking about a big name guy, so I'm not going to worry about anything until a deal is done. Some guy for a late round pick just doesn't do much for me. The only interesting piece is the 2 teams involved.

Ok - I'm out, later.

That's fantastic. Maybe you missed the point... he's trash in the sense that KC simply doesn't want him anymore and is looking for something in return rather than just cutting him. That equates to trash in my opinion.

Then let me congratulate you on posting a dozen times about something you allegedly don't care about.

I'm not saying this is of maximum importance, I'm saying it's 1 in the morning in July. This is as football as we're going to get at the moment.

Yup. Wesley screws up a lot, but he makes plays too. Those that don't think he has any value will be in for a very rude awakening if Page or Pollard go down for a game or two. Not to mention that we have seen very little of Pollard at S. He could be a complete bust.

I actually don't remember Shanny offering low ball trades to divisional opponents. Does he do this often? The only teams he really rips are the Lions and Redskins. He sticks to the special ed front offices/owners.

I'd put my reputation on the line to say that Pollard will not disappoint.

It's a shoddy reputation, but still.

By the way, my math is accurate.

Broncos coughed up a 6th for Jamie Kennedy.

Greg Wesley > Jamie Kennedy.

A 5th is fair.

ROFL

Wesley for Foxworth strait up, fills both teams needs.

wesley and holmes for their first pick next year.

Fifth rounder, please.

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If we trade anything for Wesley, you guys can say you bent us over and made us call you "daddy".

You want to try to rephrase that, genious?

If they offer a 5th, trade him.

To the Broncos or anybody else.

I only care about what's good for the Chiefs.

Hmmm. Normally, I would rather have a root canal or wear a too-tight condom than disagree with Mr. htismaqe on matters of football. However, I don't believe that trading any player to the goats is good for the Chiefs. No way, no how.

If the goats want him, that's reason enough not to deal.

FAX

Yep, he might come to life for them like Kennison did for us. Shop him around the league.

And your challenge to this statement would be?

I'm a firm believer in the old adage that if you concentrate on doing what's best for you and stop worrying about what everybody around you is doing, everything will fall into place.

Good teams don't get involved in arms races.

This is hilarious. We should refuse to deal the biggest liability on our defense to a team that is inexplicably interested, just because they are in our division?

Forget that. We should be paying Denver for taking him off our hands.

:thumb:

but him know all three chief plays

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I'd welcome the trade.

The signing of McGraw and Williams signals the end of the Greg Wesley era anyway. Might as well get something for him.

bitch his to slap in denver meeting team sleep while drunk drive dont forget out of position throw deep

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!

I really, REALLY want to see Wesley in coverage against Gonzalez. Hell, ANY of our receivers. It would be particularly sweet to see the rook lay Wesley out.

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TRADE WITHIN THE DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fine.

Wesley, for Javon Walker. :hmmm:


Okay, okay....more realistically: one of their DLinemen....? :shrug:


Okay....fine.....for a conditional seventh round pic, and a large Domino's "Philly" Pizza (with EXTRA cheese?) :thumb:



:)

Give me one good reason why we shouldn't snooker Denver for a draft pick in exchange for a player who is not just worthless but has a negative net worth for the team.

Ms. chiefqueen has a pretty good point, there.

FAX

Isn't "Broncos D-lineman" still a punchline?

5 pages... that's about 5 too many on this guy.

Sounds about like an even trade to me then... :hmmm:

Your wacky, reverse psychology will not serve you well on this subject, Mr. Mile High Mania.

Ms. chiefqueen knows what you're after.

FAX

I'm really not too concerned about this one... I can't recall the last time that Shanahan took the short end of a trade.

Consider those whom he has been outwitting.

You're certainly right about that, Mile High Mania. It's frankly impressive what you guys can accomplish in the off-season. If there are two things you do well, it's cheat and trade.

FAX

Oh I know... I pray for his safety as he deals with the powerful and mighty Carl.

"Mmm hmmm. I reckon I can give ya Wesley for a 7th... mmmm hmm. How 'bout you gimme some more mustard for mah bisquit."

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