I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

If you're a good American, why do you choose a handle that's more appropriate for a Latino restroom?

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

Oh boy. Where should I start with this one.

I don't mind paying reasonable taxes. This, of course, doesn't include my money going to support a bunch of lazy welfare scumbags who do nothing to improve their own lives yet blame me for keeping them down. I started my adult life by being kicked out of the house with no money. No one helped me do anything. I don't feel inclined to funnel my hard earned dollars to a bunch of slackers.

And if you don't think gun control freaks want to ultimately take away all of our guns, then you don't know what liberal control freaks are all about. They'll only be satisfied when criminals and the government have guns.

I was personally appalled that Bush gave his address in a foreign language - it the first thing he's done that has really p!ssed me off. ENGLISH is the spoken language of this country, and if you don't speak it, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. If you don't know the language, learn it. If you're too ignorant to learn it, either get the fuck out or have fun cleaning toilets for the rest of your life, because that's what you deserve. If I were inclined to move to France, I'd learn French. Of course, I'm not a moron. We should stop coddling these jerk-offs right now.

My ancestors fought for, bled for, and built this country FROM DAY ONE. They deserve a bit more respect, IMO, than some ignorant illegal alien who just crawled out of the Rio Grande.

And if you're too fucking stupid to punch a hole in a ballot card, then your vote should not count. Someone this horridly stupid should not be making decisions for themselves, let alone wielding the power of a vote. And I'm really sick of sore-loserman types whining about it. If you want to talk about true outrage at the polls, I have a formula for you - Democrats + Mafia + Chicago = President John F. Kennedy.

And your views don't make you good - they just make you very dangerous to our way of life.

sic 'em Fraz!

LapDog
oh wait...

Refresh my memory if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will) but if it wasn't for the Florida Supreme Court throwing out every decision made by a lower court judge, Gore would have never made it to the US Supreme Court to have his laughable case thrown out.
It was the Florida Supreme Court (made up almost entirely of Democrats) that voided every decision made by Florida judges. It took the US Supreme Court to right the partisanship of that non-partisan :rolleyes: group.

Sounds like a lot of whiny people who America has passed them by.

The 1950's ended in 1960, fellas.

I'm aware that the 50's ended in the 60's, and it's a damn shame. Pretty much everything that's wrong with this country has its roots in the '60s, from Vietnam to Johnson's Great Welfare State-err... I mean, Great Society. I personally long for the days when drugs and crime weren't rampant, when children were raised with discipline, when people took responsibility for themselves and their actions, when people took pride in their country, when insignificant foreign holidays were treated as such, when the media reported the news instead of twisting it, and when it wasn't a crime against the universe to be an English-speaking white man.

I think liberals who don't have the creativity to author their own humor piece are dumb enough to believe John Wayne was a television character. John Wayne was an actor.

He played different roles (like cowboys) in movies and on TV.

I believe someone who does not know me, but claims to be my best friend is delusional.

I believe someone whose most crowning achievement is sitting in an office with a view and diplomas on the wall has much to learn.

I believe someone who uses a moniker titled after a lousy fast food chain is more than likely lying about their diplomas.

I believe that someone who has to make a feeble attempt at answering such a humor piece by dubbing themselves in a positive light (I.E. "good American) probably has self-esteem problems.

Stinko De Taco!

I believe that people who were patting each other on the back in the "Bad American" thread need to go back to it.

Damn, Rick, I thought I was the only one who called it that.

I live in a predominantly hispanic neighborhood. It seems like every friggin car I've seen today is draped with Mexican flags. I guess they're all trying to say "I come from the land of abject poverity, corruption and death squads, and DAMN I'M PROUD OF IT!" Of course, I don't know what they're really saying, since I don't feel it's necessary to learn a foreign language, since I live in THE HEARTLAND OF MY OWN fuckING COUNTRY.

Were I forced to leave my country for these reasons, I just might embrace the new place, since the old one obviously sucks. I might try to learn the language, blend in with the people already there, and show some respect to their culture and heritage.

Of course, we can't have any of that, can we?

Moving to the suburbs in less than a month. June 1 can't come soon enough.

Frazod,

Living in Kalifornia the "Illegal Immigrant" state, you don't know if your in the United States or Mexico. There is their gang graffiti everwhere. If they want to spray paint this stuff everywhere why don 't they spray it on their own house. Not on other people's or public property.

I went into a Burger King and ordered a Whopper with no mayo on it. The first one I got had a ton on it, took it back and the second one had it on it also, took it back and got a third one also had mayo on it. Finally told them to get the manager as I was tired of dealing with someone who could understand the English language. If they want to work in a public place they should learn our language.

Here they have no respect for the American flag but expect you to respect the Mexican flag. What a joke.

Life is not so great in The People's Republic of Kalifornia.

Then you should move.

If you aren't willing to do, how bad could it be?

Good idea.

Let's all move from California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Colorado. Then all the Mexicans can just take over California, et. al. and annex them into Mexico.

Then, 20 years from now, when they are all over Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Colorado, we could all move to Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, and Nebraska. And so on.

Why don't we all just move to Canada now and get it over with?

We should find a way to solve the issue now, not just move away from it.

LapDog
Think about it

How about this?

Once this country comes to the inevitable conclusion that the war on drugs is irrevocably lost, let's just employ all those out-of-work DEA agents as border guards along the Rio Grande!

Moving from the multi-racial SoCal to the uni-racial NoCal, (except for a few Native Americans and the Chinese that helped with the gold mining trade), it will be cold day in hell before "Kalifornia" turns into the Estados de America.

But the we are 800 miles from the border so we have enough time to prepare for a formidible defense...

Injun
 

Did you win the old KC pennant on EBay?

In response to this thread, I agree with everything Frazod (or Studio B) has said but I'm not quite as passionate on the issue as he.

Just move, Clint? Move where? To Wichita? What does that solve? Just move. Please.

As far as welfare is concerned, I guess I could easily be pulling down a check from the government, too. I have no college whatsoever. I couldn't pay for it upon graduation from high school and even if I could, I probably would have partied out....

I joined the Marine Corps, learned a trade and have made in the past 3 years almost as much money as Toney Richardson made last year. I made myself a contributing member of society and anybody on welfare that is able bodied has the same damn opportunities I had.

I have a friend that works for the border patrol in Arizona if anyone wants info or an application.

Fraz, switch to decaf man! I agree to an extent, but $hit!

Phil,

No I did not. This is the 3rd or 4th time this type of pennant has been offered and the pricing went from $225 - 160 - 155.

I got a bit anxious and topped out at $110 but to no avail.

Just can't see paying over $100 for the thing but with each year the Chiefs miss the play-offs, my desire for it will increase.

It sure would look nice up in my Sports Room though...

California_Injun,

I see on E bay there is another pennant for the Kansas City Chiefs for Super Bowl 4. Is this the type of pennant that your looking for?

Just got back from the bar - I'm a touch crocked, but will respond to various posts.

Rick: I here you about the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and sympathize. I live in the Peoples Republic of Chicano - I mean, Chicago. I would think the only difference between Mexico and my neighborhood is that my neighborhood gets much colder in the winter and has more Mexicans in it. We've got the gang graffiti here, too, along with all the crime and BS that goes with it. This place SUCKS.

Lap Dog, you make a valid point. What to do about it is beyond me, expect perhaps putting a couple of army divisions on the border and kill anything that tries to cross it. That would be good for starters. Perhaps we could get a few more divisions to weed out all the illegals that are here now and ship them right the hell back from whence they came. That would be a good follow-up.

Phil: I started the same way, except I went in the Navy. Started with absolutely nothing and have busted my a$$ to get where I am now. No rich relatives here. If I can do it, so can they. As for the passion, if you'd lived in this sick fucking hellhole for a decade, you'd be passionate about it, too.

Tomahawk: I won't switch to decaf, but I am switching to the suburbs - 28 days until my escape. White flight - DAMN RIGHT!

And finally, Clint: I'll tell you what, on June 1, my apartment in Chicago will be vacant. Why don't you move in here so you can be with all your liberal bretheren in the land of brutal taxes, high crime and wonderful multi-lingual diversity? I'm sure you'd love it.

Actually, you'd probably run screaming back to Wichita within a week and then get a GOP elephant tattooted on your friggin forehead.

In any event, feel free to KISS MY A$$.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight to most of you.

I'd say you had one to many Cocktails tonight. Celebrating Cinco De Mayo tonight? LOL Hope you are more civil tomorrow....:D

Frazod. You are a racist piece of garbage, and are the real source of problems in America. You can stay though, as we need bad role models to teach our kids what not to be. Shooting mexicans? You don't deserve the freedom this great country provides you, nor do you deserve to act as though you are American nobility.

Take your 'me first' attitude and sit on it. Your ancestors immigrated here too you ignorant *******.

1. There is NO freedom in this country anymore.

2. Yes, my/our ancestors migrated here too, so why don't I/we receive the benefits that minorities and immigrants receive?

Just a short note as I leave for church. To all my friends and brothers of all races and colors. The fact that someone can think of themselves as better than another simply because of the color of their skin or the country they came from just blows my mind. God loves all of you the SAME, regardless of race, color, where you might live.
Are you a Good American? Do you actively seek to make this country a better place to live; or do you spend most of your time moaning and complaining about what it should be like?
This message is not directed to anyone in particular on this BB; just something I felt needed to be said. God bless;
old_geezer (Ron)

The only thing that I might add to what the old geezer just said is that it saddens me that many of you, who think that this country was put here for english speaking caucasians, have children. The message that you send to your children means that there will be one more generation of racists to drag this country down.

Fortunately some of your children will rise above your narrowminded views and hopefully put an end to the lineage of racism that you are attempting to spread.

The arrogance that is required to actually think that this country was put here just to satisfy your own personal view of "America" escapes me.


ken man

TCB

The narrow mind is the one that thinks everything is owed to people. If I think that english should be spoken at a public place in the United States, that does not make me racist. Some of my great friends are black, but I still think that minorities are given special treatment. Does that make me racist? I didn't qualify for the United Negro College Fund because I am white....is that racist? You would probably say no. You also probably think that affirmative action works.

I am proud to be American. It just so happens that I think this country is going downhill at an extreme rate of speed.

In my job I deal, and have dealt with, people of many different cultures. Some that have such a poor grasp of the English language that I can't even begin to understand them. Should I have to learn each of their languages so that I can service their acoounts better?
I don't think so. If they want to live and prosper in our country, they should have to learn the language of our country.
My grandfather was Mexican. He learned to speak English, fluently. He understood that it was his responsibilty to learn the English language in order to communicate effectively, not everyone else's to learn Spanish.

In no way do I think that immigrants need to totally conform. If they want to speak their language at home and in public, that's fine. However, if they plan on doing business here they need to be able to communicate with the spoken language.

I don't see how this makes me a bad person.

Taco, I really don't give a damn what you think of me. And if you think my views are harsh, well, they are a direct result of living in this cesspool for 10 years and seeing first hand what many of these people are like. I've been robbed, mugged and victimized by them for far too long. I've lived in neighborhoods dominated by hispanic gangs, heard gunshots daily, seen the results of the robberies and murders. Live like that for a while and see if it doesn't darken your outlook on life a bit.

I don't hate all hispanics. If they come here legally, learn the language, become productive members of society and don't jam their culture down my throat 24/7, I have no problem with them. Believe it or not, I have friends of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds. You might be surprised to learn that I have hispanic friends who feel the same way I do. As for the "shooting" part, I don't want to shoot all Mexicans - I want our borders PROTECTED against the endless tide of illegal immigration, from all countries, not just Mexico. And I want the immigrants who are here illegally removed. There was a time when we needed hordes of immigrants, but that time has passed. We've got all the huddled masses that we need.

And yes, my ancestors immigrated here, too, although they called themselves COLONISTS at the time (with the exception of the one who came over with Lafeyette during the revolution). My right to be here was bought and paid for centuries ago. If being offended watching helplessly as the country they built is continually eroded makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it. If my thinking I have more of a right to be here than some scumbag who sneaks over the border inside a gas tank makes me a racist, so be it. If not giving a damn about a bunch of people in a foreign country that have nothing to do with me makes me a racist, so be it. Maybe if these people put their energies into improving their own damned countries, they wouldn't feel inclined to come here and steal mine.

In any event, in 27 days I'm outta here. This city and all its problems will no longer be my problem, and I'll be pretty happy about that.

Frazod,

I understand your point. I grew up in a rural agricultural area here in SW Michigan, and growing up, I used to think exactly like you, told by adults who think exactly like you. However, 'closing the borders' will not, and should not, ever happen, and here's why: the agriculture industry would die almost overnight. I worked the fields here as a child for a while, and it was the worst, hardest summer of my life. Hardly worth the minimum wage it pays. But it's a way of life for many of them. When it's 90+ degrees out in the hot sun, they're out in the fields(often times the entire family, even children, illegally) are out working sun-up to sun down. Do you think the farmers(or the corporations that own the farms) could find enough white people to go out in the fields and do this type of labor for minimum wage? Especially in Texas, where it's set at $3.35/hr(Don't know how Dubya got around the federal minimum wage law)?

Face it: the south, midwest & California need many of these illegal aliens. You, me, & even all the way up to the President know it. It's just another way that the face of America has changed.

Taco John is not a 'good American' - he's a whiny donkey biatch trying to start trouble. If you do not follow his beliefs, if you do not agree with what he professes, you are obviously a neo-nazi racist who wants to clear-cut the world, rape and pillage indigenous peoples, and eat babies.

Typical far-left whacko - you would be best served ignoring the 2-brain celled fool.

:)

Michael, the funny thing is I DIDN'T used to feel this way. Perhaps no words are sufficient to describe how much I've hated living here for the past decade. I also admit that my attitude is sort of coming to a head now that my salvation is imminent. I wish I didn't feel this way, but its been (literally) beaten into me over the years.

I know we need them for agriculture. I also know that many of them come over, work the season, and then go back. As long as its controlled, I really don't have a problem with it. Of course, if you took all the welfare bums in major urban areas and told them that there would be no more free handouts, and there's work available farming, and take it or leave it, maybe we wouldn't need them.

The one thing I do know is we don't need any more of them where I'm at - no fields near me.

I'M NOT MICHAEL!!!!
 

But a good response anyway. As far as the 'welfare bums' I agree-but there's a reason they're welfare bums- they don't want ANY kind of work. Mexicans, as far as i've always seen, are excellent workers. There's a great Mexican resteraunt here called el rodeo, they have them in Chicago too, that has great food & excellent service. My father -in-law is a tractor mechanic for a farm, and he's amazed at the work that the migrants get done.

According to the U.S. Census by the year 2050 Hispanics will make up the majority of the population in the U.S. of A. If my daughter gives me grandchildren I will be very happy but those little rascals better learn to speak Spanish because there is a good chance they will need it. Legal aliens should have to take an English Test beore they can become a citizen. Written and oral! Of course that doesn't do anything for the baby who was just given birth to by a sixteen year old illegal alien. That child is a U.S. Citizen. I have no ill will toward Hispanics but I see some major trouble brewing in the not to distant future. I may be overreacting but I fear that the American Heritage I enjoyed thus far in my lifetime will not be available for my grandchildren.

PhilFree

Oops... sorry about that. Got you confused with the other Michigan guy.

And I agree, many of them (in fact, most of them) do work hard. Contrary to what Taco Boy may think of me, I don't hate everybody but me. If they work hard and serve a useful purpose, then why not. The ones I have a problem with serve no useful purpose (unless you consider gang crime and squeezing out welfare babies to be useful).

As for the people who don't want to work, if they were given a choice between working and starving, I'm thinking they would likely work.

Re: I'M NOT MICHAEL!!!!
 

The reason that "welfare bums" don't want to work is because people like Taco support handouts.

Phil, I totally concur. I'm getting married next month, and I don't even know if I want to have children, mainly because I don't think I'd want to subject them to what the world is becoming.

I think being able to speak English should be a basic, absolute qualification for gaining citizenship (unless the person in question is some brilliant scientist or something similar, in which case that person should be required to learn it quickly).

hehe...

I'm confused. *Who's* stuck in the 50's and 60's?

LapDog

I believe that people like Taco are what is ruining our country. He wants American citizens to register firearms because of their gang activity. Who commits most drive by shootings? Hispanic gang members. They come to our country after ruining their own and now want to ruin ours. He wants a free ride in our country. Why should I get a license for a handgun because these people don't know the first thing about firearm safety. I served my country in our armed forces and learned all about firearm use and safety. Now these fools think that I should get a license to own a hand gun.

Here in Kalifornia there was a case last week of a woman here illegally who had been using a phony Social Security number for 10 years and went to get a new drivers license and finally got caught. When she was denied a license she claims that she was singled out for being Hispanic. These illegals have no respect for the laws of our country. She had already broken the law when she crossed the border illegally, lied to the DMV to get a previous license, and then stolen some one elses Social Security number.

I have many neighbors who are Hispanic and they are also tired of the illegals who come here and totally disregard the laws, commit crimes and then go back to Mexico. One had a car totaled by an illegal, driving drunk , no insurance and a phoney drivers license. He got out of jail, and went back to Mexico and my neighbors insurance company foots the bill. Then they wonder why people don't welcome them with open arms. Go to Mexico and commit these crimes you get locked up and they throw away the key.

Taco also wants to vote in the next president. These people have no regards for voting laws either. My neighbor is the original owner of his house. He gets a card form the County of Orange telling him where to vote and it is addressed to some Hispanic and he is not Hispanic. Someone had registered as a legal citizen using his address. Here in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia voter fraud is out of control and no matter what the people vote in we have some liberal judge who throws it out. We voted in English as the language to be used and it gets throw out, we voted to cut off welfare to the illegals and some liberal judge says that is unconstitional.

So Taco don't tell us what a good Ameican you are as you probably swam across the Rio Grande to get here or did you sneak through the desert where illegals die in the summer, then complain about your people dieing of the heat.

With the cost of displacing American workers, the cost of giving welfare to needy illegal aliens, and the cost of providing the general services, it is estimated that the annual cost of illegal immigrants is $19 Billion (even after giving credit for their tax contributions).

Hey Rick, you should move to Naperville with me. Lots of new construction out there.

Between the earthquakes, power outages, liberals and illegal aliens, it seems to me that Kalifornia would NOT be a happy place to live. Plus, I understand they throw you in jail for smoking cigarettes - I wouldn't last an hour.

Frazod,

These liberals are something else. You can't smoke a Marlboro cigarette in a public place but you can smoke the baloney pony at a bus stop in San Franscisco.

Diane Fineswine, Gay Davis and Barbara Boxer have worried about the guns and cigarettes and can't keep the lights on.

Willie Davis signed a law into effect now where people who want sex change will get it paid for by the City of San Franscisco's medical insurance if you are an employee.

What a fun day - checking the board during smoke breaks from working on wedding invitations, which must have handwritten addresses and be stuffed perfectly according to the merciless god of my universe, Emily Post. Ms. Post's demanding standards are enforced by her evil envoy on Earth, my future mother-in-law. She'll be a textbook mother-in-law, too. :mad:

Yesterday, traffic safety school to keep a ticket off my driving record. Today, wedding invitations. This weekend has SUCKED. Being back in the office tomorrow is looking pretty good right now. Anyway, enough whining about that.

The mismanagement and twisted ideals of the PRofK are mystifying to the rest of us. Again, I don't know how you stand it. The "Feinswine" thing cracked me up, though. What a bunch of idiots. I'd like to think even the most hardcore Marxist liberal would be more concerned about having electricity than people smoking in restaurants. Of course, logic doesn't apply to the people, so maybe not. I hope Feinswine is one of the government employees sweltering in the heat when the theromstats get cranked up. Of course, she probably won't be - rich, powerful liberals are above the standards imposed on the rest of us.

Frazod, when your solution to border control is to shoot mexicans, I'm going to instantly jump to the conclusion that you are a racist. Forgive me, but being half mexican, I've seen both sides of the story my whole life. My grandparents immigrated from mexico in the lat 30's. Why? Because America is the land of opportunity, and they wanted to be a part of it.

So what has changed today? Nothing. Why are Mexicans sneaking over the border. Because of opportunity. Many Mexicans that come here are just here for the money. Working in feilds during the summer gurantees a plush life back in Mexico the rest of the year. Much like when people spend their summers on Alaskan fishing boats for three months in Alaska, and then chill out for the rest of the year.

If you take away the opportunity to make money, then you'll get rid of illegal immagrants. But then again, it's not that easy is it? Because America has got an insatiable appetite for drugs, and there is another opportunity for immigrants of all kinds. And who controls the drug trade? Not the Government, because they've made it illegal. Instead, foriegn drug cartels control the drug trade (along with a handful of domestic ones, but it is much safer to sell drugs in the US if you live outside of it... Instead, you give people looking for opportunities to make vast amounts of money the risk).

Mexicans aren't the problem. Opportunity is. Don't tell me that you want to fix America by getting rid of the Mexicans, because you are not addressing the real problem, which is opportunity.

Of course, you could go on a Hitleresqe spree, and round up all of the mexicans, and the indians and the chinese, and put them in gas chambers for the benefit of the master race. But once you are finished, you won't have solved any problems. Americans will still be addicted to drugs, and someone will take the opportunity to make tons of money by feeding their addictions. Fields will still need to be harvested, and you'll have to find someone to do this thankless, backbreaking labor at a price Joe Farmer can afford to pay them at.

If you want to solve the problem, address it at it's source, not at its symptom.

Nice post Taco John.

FWIW, I think Frazod was speaking pretty much tongue-in-cheeck when he said "shoot 'em at the border". I've "known" him for years and he's not generally this frustrated. I don't pretend to speak for him but I do empathize with his plight.

frazod and Rick

I believe that Governor Wilson sighed the bill that degregulated the power company's so that they now are able to pull off this power shortage scam.

Unemployment, welfare, and crime are at thier lowest level in years. I know you are upset that you can't get a job picking lettuce but you don't have to go though life hating everyone.

It is also nice to be able to go to a bar or restaurant without having to breath in cigarette smoke. You should be able to go more than 60 minutes without having to put a cancer stick in your mouth.

The last time I checked a lot more people die in tornadoes than eathquakes. Unless you live in India.

You can now add me to your hate list.

Thanks for the defense, Phil. No, I'm not a Nazi.

Taco John, just because someone wants something, doesn't mean they are entitled to it. No illegal alien is entitled to sneak into this country and become a criminal or a welfare bum. They should be stopped at the border, or tracked down and sent back. Being an American is the birthright of Americans, not Mexicans. If it makes you feel better, though, I would only advocate shooting them as a last resort.

As I've said, I have no problem (or at least not as much of one) with LEGAL immigration of productive, English-speaking people. The people who come here to work the fields (and yes, I know it's hard work, I was raised on a farm) and go back are okay, as long as it's monitored. Wholesale mass migrations of illegals should be STOPPED. PERIOD. The days of Ellis Island are over.

Why can't Mexicans solve their own problems without burdening us? If the place is so overpopulated, why not try implementing some birth control? Why can't they weed out the corruption in their own government and make the place a better one to live in? I don't know why, and frankly I don't give a shit. Its not my problem, nor should it be the problem of the United States. The problems of the world are not in my department. If this makes me a selfish bastard, well, I'm cool with that. It not like I want anything from them, except perhaps to stop sucking up my tax dollars, robbing me and waiving their national rag in my face.

In other words, you have nothing to offer but hate. Your problem is with the people, not with the problems. You're concerned about numero uno, and everyone else can go to hell. Am I getting warm?

BTW... The days of ellis island never ended, whether you like it or not. The statue of liberty still stands as a symbol to the huddled masses all over the world. You and your fascist attitude can't take that away, no matter how hard you try.

sd: I actually have a pretty good job. No lettuce picking here. Of course, since I don't like lettuce, I really don't care who picks it or if its picked at all..

And I think it's nice to be able to go to a bar or restaurant without having some communist tell me I can't smoke. It's still a free country (in most places), contrary to the wishes of you and people like you.

And when your entire neighborhood slides into a fault when the big one hits, then you can talk to be about tornadoes. I'm thinking it would be alot easier to crawl out the basement than a fault.

And no, I won't add you to my hate list. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have a hate list. I will add you to the list of liberal idiots, though. Does that work for you?

Taco: The days of Ellis Island DID end. It's a museum now. I guess you must not get to New York very often.

And I didn't offer hate, just an opinion. You guys should stop taking my signature line so literally. I want to take care of me and mine, and the problems of strangers aren't my business. Do you take your paycheck and dole it out people on the street? I didn't think so.

And of course, you completely ignored everything I said about Mexico. Again, I ask, why can't these people solve their own problems without burdening us?

Wow--Those diplomas on your wall in your office with the drive through window view--- did you purchase them online?

Opportunity is not a problem.

We set the USA up that way so that even the poor could achieve through hard work. Legal hard work. With emphasis on the word legal.

You then make an incredible leap from immigrants working in the fields to the drug trade.

And--Alaska--it's a state in the United States. Mexico, it's a whole other country.

Your arguments are flimsy, weak, rambling and poorly worded. If your previous posts are accurate about your education, the fact that a diploma was granted is a problem.

Perhaps it’s time for you to go back for yet another degree. Try a different institute of higher learning. The sheepskin(s) that you are so proud of are no better than the wallpaper to which they are nailed.

Feel like I'm teaching ChiefNLA again.

According to Taco, Mexico is not a whole other country, but apparently the 51st state (I guess I'll have to get a new flag). It seems that everyone born there has an absolute right to come to the other 50 states and collect welfare. And since we're white, and therefore rich, we shouldn't have a problem with it, because gee, they've had a rough time of it, and we're all living in opulent mansions drinking ambrosia from golden goblets.

Frazod,

You're not a nazi, you're just narrow-minded, however, that's the necessary first step toward becoming a nazi. First, let me say there is no such thing as an American job, or a Mexican job, or a Michigan job, or a California job, there are only jobs, and people looking for them, first to eat, then maybe for a little comfort. If all the really good-paying jobs were in Indiana and you lived in Illinois you might move to Indiana to get one of them wouldn't you? Of course. And you wouldn't consider yourself an immigrant worker because you'd still be a citizen of the same country. But if that wasn't the case, and Indiana had a big army and a big fence around it, and your family was hungry and poor, you might do whatever it takes to get one of those Indiana jobs, and you WOULD resent that fence and that army. What if all the "Illinois jobs" disappeared and the "Indiana jobs" became scarce because the companies laid people off and lowered the pay. They'd start calling you names like "Okie" and "person of Hispanic heritage" and saying you spoke with an Illinois accent instead of an Indiana accent, just becase there were no jobs in Illinois, but you heard there still might be in Indiana. Or what if you looked over the fence and saw all those Indiana companies paying people $20-an-hour while the same Indiana companies were paying you $1-an-hour and bribing the government to keep you from striking to form a union to raise your wages? And what if you saw Indiana computers and machinery selling in Indiana for $500, but in Illinois they sold them for $1,000---and that raised the debt in Illinois and made it harder for Illinois "to solve its own problems"?


The point is that these "problems" stretch beyond Indiana borders, or US borders, and that you can't solve them by shutting "our jobs" up in a military camp. If you can't fight for others, you'll never be able to fight for yourself.

As for language, I just came back from a vacation in Paris. People there spoke 2, 3, and more languages. And they got along better, their kids were brighter and friendlier for it. They knew more about the world than the average American. And the neighborhoods were more integrated (except the rich neighborhoods), had less crime, were cleaner, had better schools (from what I could see), and were friendlier to one-language Americans. Signs and maps and menus and conversation were in 2, 3 and 4 languages. You make a language "official" and all you're really doing is building another fence to keep people out.


Soliday

THIS is a take? Did I purchase my diplomas online? ****ing idiot. No.

Opportunity doesn't distinguish itself as legal or illegal. It is just there, for the taking.

We? Who is we? You and your buddies? Hey pal, news flash: They sent criminals to America in droves when this country was being founded. Crime has existed in America froun the very beginning. There never was a utopia. Just freedom and opportunity.

Oh did I? Educate yourslef son:
http://www.methvalley.com/chapter_5.html

No ****? It was an EXAMPLE. If you would have paid attention in school, your teacher probably used a lot of EXAMPLES... Go to dictionary.com to look up the meaning of the word "example" if you need to.

And yet I have a diploma, and a nice fat paycheck coming in. My arguments stand tall and tough. Just saying that I have bad arguments doesn't make it true. Try arguing the bad arguments at the source, and prove that they are bad, rather than just stroking your ego without making any valid points.

You are right. It is about time for me to go back to school. Next stop Masters degree, on my way to being a PHD, where I'll probably end up educating your children well into my retirement.

If you are going to school me, you might try making ONE, even ONE point throughout your diatribe. All I ask for is ONE point. Not just a bunch of personal attacks that amount to zilch.

John - "Of course, you could go on a Hitleresqe spree, and round up all of the mexicans, and the indians and the chinese, and put them in gas chambers for the benefit of the master race."

Or even better, we could simply eliminate all benefits to illegal aliens and start charging their respective countries a carrying fee to issue them home. Like the nasty Republicans tried to do with Pete WIlson in California, and the saviour favored ACLU fought tooth and nail - although it was what the people wanted.

Actually, Mexico is just another country in this small world in which we all live in. And their problems become our problems because they are so close to us. Just like if Canada's economy went for broke, it would be a big problem for us. The US does not exist in a vaccuum.

And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it. Make a stand. I guarantee you that good ole' American boys in blue will be at your doorstep, and not the Mexican Nationals.

If you don't like the US, you are free to move.

frazod

You have evey right to smoke your brains out if you want but not when it affects the health of other people. Why do you have to smoke around other people? I have an old frend that used to say the same things that you are saying now. She is now lying in a hospital dying of cancer. You don't smoke because you want to. You smoke because you are hooked on it. When its too late and you get cancer I want you to remember this post.

Hey, Taco, I'm happy to see you have a big fat check rolling in. So, since you have lots of money, why don't you buy me a new Corvette? I've always really, really wanted one, and according to your logic, I am therefore absolutely entitled to have it. I'm a total stranger, so you should care about me and give me what I want, not matter what the cost to you. You said earlier that you were my best friend. Well, best friend, I'll be expecting that Vette tomorrow morning.

By the way, I'M STILL WAITING for an answer to my question - why can't Mexico take care of itself? Someone with a big, fat paycheck and a wall full of degrees should be able to answer a simple fucking question.

John - "And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it. Make a stand."

Funny you should say that after my last post.

We tried to do that in California, the majority demanded it.

I posted the answer... So did others. You just aren't willing to face the truth.

SD: Yes, I know smoking's bad for me. I'd like to quit, but on my own terms, not because the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (damn I like that - hat's off to Rick) tells me to.

And Taco: I like my country. I don't, however, like what idiots like you are doing to it.

And you're free to move, too. Right the fuck back to Mexico.

Still waiting for an answer and/or my new car.

Actually frazod,

You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations?

At least Mexico has an excuse---when you start poor it's hard to break out of that poverty, especially when you get charged more for everything you buy, and paid less for everything you sell.


Soliday


Oh, and it's a fact reported by the government---immigrants. both legal and "illegal" pay more in taxes than they receive back in benefits.

I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car.

So I ask you, what is your point?

sd4Chiefs


As a citizen of this country I am tired of people like you who think that we have an open border. You bring your trash to this country by spray painting graffitti everywhere, commiting crimes and expecting a free handout at every corner. If you want to come here legally, learn the language and obey the laws that is one thing. But don't come to my country illegally and expected to be welcomed with open arms.

Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that as a citizen of this country that we must support the world with our tax dollars?

As for the lettuce, I don't eat the stuff so can rot in the fields for all I care.

It is liberals like you who want to take my rights away from me and shove you views down my throat, which I do not appreciate.

John - Where do you get your ideas? Why is <B>MY</b> government responsible for a woman and her child from another country here illegally? I don't remember anything in the Constitution that covers this. Frankly, we have enough LEGAL human beings in our country without having to take care of a bunch of pandering aliens.

So that's your answer? What answer? I asked why Mexico can't fix its own problems. Are you saying they fix them by invading my country? Gee, that's nice.

So I guess if we were neighbors, and you were broke, had nothing to eat, and your roof was caving in, rather than deal with your own problems, get your own food and fix your own roof, you'd just show up at my doorstep and say "Howdy, neighbor, give me your house and your food, and to hell with you, because it's the right thing to do!"

I'd kind of feel like your problems were your business. I guess that's not a very liberal attitude.

So why don't you drop all the bullshit and ANSWER MY QUESTION: WHY CAN'T MEXICO SOLVE ITS OWN PROBLEMS? Are they too ignorant, or irresponsible, or just too lazy? What is the answer?

Soliday, I have never seen a report to that effect. Can you provide a link?

I find it hard to believe that someone receiving welfare and food stamps pays taxes at any level except when purchasing products on a free market.

Let me help you on this...The education averages are brought down by certain segments of our society that make no effort for self improvement, instead they prefer to blame everyone else but themselves for their failures....For those who take advantage of our education system excel at the highest levels in the world. Those who choose to take advantage of the opportunity and education in the United States make us the worlds economic leader...

As for your "government fact", the tax figure that you are using includes legal Asian immigrants which are generally educated high producers in our country...You remove them from the equation and the numbers are tilted right back to the fact that illegal Mexican immigrants cost the US tax payers billions of $$$$'s.

TACO WROTE:

"I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car.

So I ask you, what is your point?"

Taco: What's to understand? I'M USING YOUR LOGIC. I'm not entitled to a new Corvette, because I didn't earn it, but SO WHAT. I want one, so give it to me. You've got money, so spend your friggin money on me and buy me my damn car, no matter what the personal cost to you. I'm entitled! It's my right!

This is, in essence, exactly what you propose the rest of us do by allowing these hordes of illegals to invade our country.

SOLLIDAY WROTE:

"You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations? "

As for dirty, unhealty, risky jobs, I was in the Service for six years. Find an unheathier job that than.

As for the other crap you point out, which is certainly indicitive of this country going straight to hell, I would answer that perhaps the problem stems from the fact that THIS COUNTRY IS THE WORLD'S fuckING GARBAGE CAN. If you omit from your equations the people who SHOULDN'T BE HERE, I think your stats would shrink dramatically.

First of all, where did I say that we should be supporting illegals anywhere? I simply posed that killing mexicans is a bad idea, and no solution at all. And I presented the real problem: too much opportunity. My solution is not to reduce opportunity in America, but the problem should be addressed at it's source, not at it's symptom.

Why do Mexicans come to America? Because the American companies that moved their work across the borders pay like ****. That's one. Add to that the fact that the American companies do whatever it takes to make certain that cheap labor stays cheap by corrupting their government, that's two. Gee, it sounds like America just might be part of the problem.

Now add to that the fact that there are a plethora of opportunities in America that will make you live like a king in Mexico, and you've got yourself a pretty good picture of the problem. If you didn't read my link below explaining how the Meth trade works, you might want to give it a read... Here it is again: http://www.methvalley.com/chapter_5.html

Fix the drug war, and you've fixed a big part of the problem by eliminating opportunity.

Give me solutions, not racist mumbo jumbo.

Being the leaders of the free world is a tough cross to bear. The head is heavy that wears the crown. Along with being leaders comes responsibility. We'll drag you along with us kicking and screaming, but you are not going to stop progress, no matter how hard you try. Progress just happens.

John - You never DIRECTLY stated that we should be supporting illegal aliens, but you did allude to the idea that we are forced to with the sarcastic comment:

"And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it"

Alluding to the idea that the illegals are here and we must pay for them.

That's a pretty big jump in logic, but I'll let you take it. You can twist my words to fit your narrow view of the world how you please. But either way, I don't want anybody dying in America from starvation, no matter what border they crossed. We produce so much food here it's sick how much of it goes to waste.

Wolfman,

The US government has overthrown elected governments in Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, and Panama. It has interfered by secret funding and disinformation in elections in Italy, Korea, Haiti, Australia, and many other countries. Where is that in the US Constitution? You run behind the Constitution when you don't like something, but you don't bother asking about these things, do you? The US government has created many of the dictatorships that drive the population to leave, then they slam the door on immigration from those countries. When the Sandinistas in Nicaragua overthrew the dictator Somosa, the US suddenly allowed hundreds of thousands of Nicaraguans into the US; but while the El Salvadoran government was fighting a civil war and operating death squads, including the one that killed US nuns, the US held Salvadoran immigration to less than 1,800 a year. Go check some websites on El Salvador and Nicaragua, I'm not going to do your work.


As for the facts on US rank in crime, education, etc.---go to the United Nations website under UNESCO.

JL80---most of Europe has more open immigration laws, and large immigrant populations. Why haven't "certain elements" ---identify these--- driven down these standards, not just education, in other industrialized countries? As for Asian versus "other" immigrant groups I'll check that.

Soliday


Just a poll question: Who on this board has been outside the US? And where?

I read the article, Taco. I didn't know that 90% of the meth in this country came from Mexico. Something else for your to be proud of.

Sounds to me like just another reason to vastly strengthen the border guard.

Soliday - If you want to bring up a second subject on errors regarding our nation and foreign policy: I will probably agree with a good portion of it.

However, I am focused on this task at the moment. You state that illegal aliens pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. Please explain (in simple English so we can all follow along) how Consuelo Martinez and her five children (Pedro, Miguel, Maria, Anna, and Raoul) all pay more in taxes than they receive in health, welfare, and food stamp benefits.

John - You don't want anyone starving. I agree, at least you are honest.

My solution is instead of giving them a paycheck every month for doing nothing is give them a meal and send them home.

There's no reaching you is there. It's because you are a flat out racist.

You can sit there all day long and talk about attacking the symptoms, but if you ignore the source, you are fighting the wrong battle. The problem doesn't lie with the Mexicans. It lies with the Americans, like it or not.

And you wonder why the US pulled out of UNESCO?