KC METRO SPORTS speculates that Chiefs cannot audible
 

This is 2007, right?
I mean, QBs like Len Dawson, John Unitas and John Hadl used to call their own plays in the huddle and THEN have an option for "check with me" to exploit mismatches.

Who is the #1 QB right now? Manning. Who's right there with him? Brady. What do they have in common? Scrambling ability? Cannon arms? 2,000 yd RBs?

No. They are coaches on the field who can change the play at the LOS and exploit opponents as they read defenses. Metro Sports reports tonight that Damon Huard (a 12 year vet!!!!) does not have the option to audible.

I'm feeling your pain, LJ. :banghead:

Thank God. You think Huard throws a lot of 2 yard passes to Kris Wilson now, just wait until he can check off of the fade to Bowe and audible at the line to Bigfoot.

Doomed to the two-yard gain ....

You guys have it all wrong. Audibles against 9 man fronts are usually play action deep routes. It worked for every Chiefs QB since DeBerg. It'll work for Huard too, if the coaching staff will come out of the 1950s and let a pro QB be a pro QB.

This is self-inflicted wounding IMO.

The problem is that Huard is not the "pro QB" you speak of.

it's nice to be able to audible but you have to have trust in your QB to do that......I wouldn't even trust Huard to audible...

Right. That's why he ranked #2 in the NFL in QB rating last year behind Manning.
The only reason this guy has so few starts is that he has had the unlucky fate of being on the same teams as Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Trent Green (whom he beat out in camp). 90% of today's starting NFL QBs would have to serve as backups to Marino and Brady.

Huard is not dumb.

Huard makes Doug Floutie
think of returning to the game

How many QB's do you really think have the control to change plays at the line......I say there's no more than 5-6 that the teams coaches are cool with it.

And we all know Herm and what a control freak he is.

Actually it probably has a lot more to do with the other players, not the quarterback. Manning and his receivers have that system down like the back of their hand. I wouldn't trust our receivers to know WTF was going on when an audible got called.

I'm sure Brady does it and they have an entirely new receiver group...

Yeah but the Patriots cheat... :)

That is stupid. The audible is one of the most basic options in pro sports, epecially the NFL. Take it away, and you give defenses a blank check. If it is true that KC cannot audible, we are our own worst enemies.

You critics of Damon Huard are talking out of the PPL. That FACTS are, he has backed up 2 HOF QBs and has a winning record as a starting QB even under Herm "just above .500 is OK!" Edwards.

If a coach doesn't trust his QB to make a call....a lot of D oriented coaches are like this, he doesn't want them changing plays.

Everyone has probably forgotten when Jim Harbaugh called that audible and Mike Ditka about killed him on the sideline for changing the play and throwing a pick in the process.

Herm wouldn't even let Huard audible his order at the Taco Bell Drive Thru

Honestly, I trust Huard's judgement more than Solari's. I realize we managed to win by Huard pulling off 10 yard completions on second down again and again last week, but the play calling on first down was just comical.

I was at a sports bar at the time, surrounded by Vikes fans. Their jaws were dropping after about the 15th time that we ran Larry right into the back of Weigman. On our final drive I made a bet with the Vike fan at my table that we would run Larry three times up the gut. I won the bet.

The stupidity of Mike Solari is mind-blowing. It's like standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon of stupidity, looking out on something that is just awe-inspiring.

I'd rather have a QB with some character and ability to change the game using audibles, myself... Damon the Drone is just going to run the plays he's told and try not to turn the ball over... which will be good if our D holds up and they can get their special teams' shit together. Damon gon' be fine.. he gon' be fine. ...and Colquitt's gonna bounce back from his sub-par performance last week.

We ran 11 consecutive times on first down last week.

ELEVEN.

I don't understand the Huard-haters. If he hadn't come in last year there is no way we would have made it into the post-season. If he had played in Indy I believe we would have won.

So he's not young, so what. He did a tremendous job last year, and he is now showing signs he can repeat the performance this year. Time for people to give the guy a chance.

Gannon was a career journeyman and back-up for a long time before he signed with the Raiders. Huard may not prove to be as good as Gannon, but so far he has at least proven he can play.

Ok you're nuts...Indy won the bowl, they were raping us no matter who the QB was...

People like me don't want Huard to play because playing to win 7 games accomplishes nothing for the future of this franchise.

Developing a 35 year old, brilliant...

That game was close well into the second half, even though we went something like 40 minutes without a first down. Our defense was kicking Manning's ass.

Nobody is suggesting developing Huard. He proved last year he doesn't need to "develop". All I'm suggesting is that maybe, just maybe, we might have a chance to be competitive. On paper, we are about the same on offense as last year, and we are much improved on defense. Considering we went 9-7 last year, maybe we should at least get into October before we bail on the whole season and throw Croyle to the wolves.

If we hit 1-5, I'll join the "Start Croyle Now" crowd. But maybe we should just see what Huard can do this year first. If you are correct, our draft position will still be just fine, and Croyle should get some quality experience down the stretch.

So you are striving to sneak into the playoffs and get raped again kinda thing?

The Chiefs don't win on the road, especially against good teams.

Does that mean we shouldn't at least try? Is it really gonna be that much better next year, or the year after, that we should just give up right now?

Well what do you want to do, give it to the young kid with potential. Thats flat out crazy.

ROFL

LMAO

Great post, Adam. I agree that the playoff game was winnable if (a) Huard had gotten at least half a game to play and (b) the play calling wasn't so vapid. The problem is clearly NOT Huard. That's a placebo for all the Herm-haters. The problem is that Huard is not allowed to check off at the LOS and is stuck trying to make 11 straight HB plunges on 1st down work against the NFL's best run D.

Were he allowed to go over the top with single coverage on his WRs, I am sure he would.

He's not brave either.

I heard an interview with Huard last week where he was asked about audibles.....

He said they often call 2 plays in a "check with me", however its usually 2 runs or 2 passes, depending on the coverages or overloads which one they use.

It would seem to me to have an ability to audible to a pass when 9 guys crowd the line might be a good thing......


Oh, and if we're keeping score.....Huard sucks balls, and that is why he's a career backup.

What's an Audible?

I agree with you. if we go 1-5 I say start Croyle too. He obvously didn't beat Huard in the quarterback showdown in pre-season. Huard is a good QB. Has the QB rating to prove it. There's no need to ddevelop him any further.

If we do go 1-5 or so, I would then say start Croyle to get him more experience cause our season is probably shot at that point anyway. Might as well get the young guys some playing time.

But until that time I like Huard as QB. So he throws some pics? All QB's do.

Personally I think the main issue is with Solari and his play calling. I really think it's holind the offense back. It's been evident, but more so as the players (Huard and johnson) are starting to show their dislike of the play calling.

I say keep Huard...a proven QB.

The other team gets to noticing that after awhile.

Huard is no Manning, Montana, or Elway, but he is a good QB. He beat Croyle out for the job so he's all we have right now.

No he isn't.

The Chiefs were BEGGING Croyle to be the starter, and gave him every chance, but he made 3 shitty decisions/throws that forced them to start Huard.

Huard can't make all of the passes and NFL QB should make....his deep ball is weak, he apparently can't throw a swing pass in the flat, and I cringe every time he might attempt a 10 yard Out.

If Huard was in the neighborhood of a good qb....he'd have been a starter.

The only thing he did well was keep down his INTs.....and its because he gets scared and goes to the checkdown guy too often.

Wasn't this an issue with Trent Green as well. I thought this came up after the Eagles debacle a couple of years ago. Maybe I am mistaken but I believe that is right.

Opinions do vary. I believe you are right in that Croyle was pretty much given the starting job on a plate but he got beat out by Huard.

My opinion is that we have huard or Croyle for a starter, Huard won the competition even though Croyle had the job to loose. he lost. So Huard is our QB right now.

As Herm said if we need a spark maybe Croyle will be that spark later down the road.

I don't understand why Croyle should start right now. why? why go with a second best? If Croyle was the better person to play the position he would have won the competition (even though he was given every opportunity) and would now be our starter.


Now, what if Croyle had won the competition for the starting QB job and was having the same issues that Huard is having. Would people want Huard to start?

Herm doesn want Huard to audible, to make him look bad, so he can make it Brodies time!

What kind of an audible would Huard call any way? Instead of a 2 yard pass would he just change the call to a 1 yard pass?

It always puzzled me why we never really let Trent Green audible unless it was a 2 minute drill. He knew the offense better than anyone on this franchise. Not that our offense really needed to score any more than it did, but Trent calling his own plays IMO wouldnt have hurt us as well.

We haven't audibled for years. It's the scheme, not the players. Saunders didn't have audibles, either, just limited checks.

It's not unusual in today's NFL, either, as far as I know. Guys like Manning are the exception, not the rule.

Huard didn't beat Croyle out; he was on the sidelines for half the preseason, and was throwing picks when he wasn't. Croyle played himself out of the job because of two boneheaded throws in the preseason, despite clearly being the better QB throughout camp according to a virtual consensus of onsite reports, not to mention leading the only scoring drive by the 1s during a preseason game.

Our skittish (OMGz! Muzt win 9 gamez!) Pres/GM decided it was too risky to go young.

Well.... let's see. Did he beat out Dan Marino in Miami for the #1 spot? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

Did he beat out Tom Brady at NE? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

He did beat out Trent Green who piloted the NFL's top offense from 2002-2005.

If he was backing up Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman for 10 years, you have a point.

I too failed to beat out Marino, Brady or Green. :p

Trent Green was never able to audible either...this has been discussed for years. It's the system and the QB has nothing to do with it. During the 2 Min drill, he might actually get some more freedom, but other than that....the QB calls the plays and only the plays that he is told to.

Want to start for the Chiefs? You might have a shot.

It seems for some reason Solari is taking all the heat here. He did open up the offense of week 1 last year, then Big Sperm put the cuffs on him. It doesn't matter who the cordinator is, if Herm is here it's more of the same. Please see past Jets offense cordinators issues.

Huard is a mute.

And you'd have more of a point, if quality backups, deemed worthy of being NFL starters weren't traded all of the time. Is Shaub still in Atl?

I don't recall alot of bidding wars for Huard's services. As a matter of fact, he was #3, behind TODD EFFING COLLINS, and in danger of being cut last year. If Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman were on this team, I believe BOTH of them would be starters over Huard.


Huard didn't really win the starting QB job this year.....Croyle Threw it away...litterally, while Huard was nursing an aching labia.

[QUOTE=KCJohnny]He did beat out Trent Green who piloted the NFL's top offense from 2002-2005.
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When did he beat out Trent? If I remember right, Huard was gawdawful in the preseason last year and a lot of people thought he would get cut.

Huard did play well when Trent went down, well above expectations, and probably should have finished out the year as the starter. There was a loyalty to Trent so they let him play.

Trent wasn't the same after the injury, but Jordan Black and a group of receivers with the dropsies didn't help.

no fair to pick on handicapped kids