I've been saying it, Tom Brady just said, the Chiefs need to start doing it.
 

I just said earlier in a previous post that the object of the game on offense is to score touchdowns EVERY TIME YOU HAVE THE BALL.

Tom Brady just said in a post game interview that Belichick tells his players to try and do that and that's pretty much why they are scoring 40 points a game.

There isn't anything wrong with scoring a lot of points. Herm for whatever reason thinks otherwise and which is why he's the biggest dumbass in professional football as far as game management goes. People say that you put your defense on the field too much and they get tired and teams will score on you making it a shootout.

Bullshit.

You can lead the league in offense and still control the ball. We did that all the time in the DV/AS era. You can also play defense and stop people from scoring. Defense is a totally different part of the game which means scoring points doesn't mean shit about how your team plays defense. The Pats play both great defense and great offense. Chiefs coaches need to at least try to score as much as humanly possible, as opposed to drawing up plays that STRICTLY prohibit anyone on offense from advancing past the first down marker.

Herm says the magic number was 21, then he changed it to 24.

**** that. Let's air it out and run off of our passing game (since the other way around is NOT working worth a shit) and let's score 34 points a game.

Well the chiefs and Raiders are the best QB in the league away from a 40 ppg offense. That's it.

it's time to face the fact that tom brady is the best to ever play

i'm a vagina away from being solari

Dude we are SO FAR away from 40pts its not even funny

9 players away? something like that

We did this from 2002-2005.

The Chiefs used to have that aggressive, look to score a TD on every offensive possession under Vermeil/Saunders.

Herm destroyed that approach almost immediately upon his arrival in KC

6... maybe 7

Everyone but the following could go

Waters
Bowe
Gonzalez
LJ
Croyle (TBD)

Time of Possession 32:23

Todays Chiefs TOP and we still lost.
Would a minutes less be bad with 7 more points?

I was pretty sad today when I watched Joe Addai do things that our RB's use to be able to do.

wow scoring TD's is the object of the game on offense. . i think u cracked the case on this one. .

I say my team should INT 6 Passes and return 2 Kicks for TDs every week, if only they did that this week.

Not really. Good QB play would make a world of difference. Key is you need different coaches but KC has good RB, Nice upcoming young WR, great TE. OL sucks but a QB would make them look better than they are. #2 WR wouldn't need to be great with a good QB as long as he could catch the football.

And we went to the playoffs how many times during those years?

good nite... scoring at least 17 in a game would be a start.

Anyone who thinks Herm doesn't want to score pts is a ****ing moron. Plain and simple. His job is to win and you need to score to do that.

He just doesn't think it's REALISTIC to expect us to score around 30 pts a game. And he's right, we can't.

hm.... peyton manning looked pretty average with a crappy o-line and WR that dropped the ball. must be the coaching.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You know what that sounds like? It sounds like a parent who keeps telling his/her kids that they can't do something. After a while the kid starts to believe it and won't even try anymore.

If Herm/Solari keeps sitting onthe ball for fear of failure, this team (and QBotF) will never learn from their mistakes and always be scared to try and have absolutely NO faith inthe coaching staff. Isn't it happening already?

This is the same exact mindset that kept him from starting Croyle in the first place. Herm keeps saying he is building to something yet refuses to set the foundation in he needs in attitude. If he wants a smart, agressive football team on both sides of the ball, you have to let them learn.

OMG, what if Croyle throws an interception in that situation? We might lose. NEWS FLASH---YOU DID LOSE!!!!

This team isn't going to score 30 pts a week. Call whatever plays you want.

But Herm's gutted passing attack is what's keeping us from winning. Let the kid throw the ball and see what he can do. Open up the playbook, air the ball out, and see just how ready for a full offense he is.

We don't HAVE to score 30 pts a game. Getting that extra 7 in the 4th quarter when you're down by 3 would sure be nice...

Good thing too, because you better score 43 when you're giving up 42.

I don't expect them to score 30 but there is no excuse to be the lowest scoring team in the league......have you guys seen say Atlanta, they've scored more points then the Chiefs, there's no excuse for that.

Herm is very content at times to play for field position and play a defensive game where he hopes the other team will screw up to set up an offensive FG. His goal is not to score on every possession.

your're right we cant, not with HIM at the helm.

attitude is part of it ....... the Chiefs offensive and defensive players have picked up on Herm's attitude.

defense = good
offense = bad

this influences the play ..... there's no doubt in my mind that the Chiefs have the talent on offense RIGHT NOW to be ranked 15-ish in the league instead of 30-ish.

crappy coaching has cost us 10 ranking spots.

Herm's problem is he expects the offense to play like the friggen 80's niners. If you throw enough dump off passes or quick outs eventually you'll break a big one.

Nein. You just complete a lot of passes short of a first down and allow the defense to crowd the line of scrimmage. We don't have Rice and Rickey Waters here, we have an old Holmes and a shat offensive line.

And I do think he wants to score on every possession. Unfortunately he ranks avoiding risk higher than getting into the end zone. Croyle did well with the play action and half-assed bootlegs we ran. I'd love to see us use Croyle the way Denver did with Plunger. Considering the state of our offensive line it might not be a bad idea to get him outside the pocket...

Agreed.

We don't have any less talent on offense than the Skins. One might argue that we have more talent. And they're ranked 18th in scoring, right around 20 points per game.

I use the Skins because of the same "scheme" (God, I hate that word). If we still approached the game with the same offensive mindset, used the same variety of plays, as the Skins, I bet we could average 20 points per game.

So we finish this season and we get 3 more years of strong D weak O mediocrity before we finally fire Herm and hire Mike Martz to go back to strong O weak D? BRILLIANT!

I love being a Chiefs fan.

our offensive line is just as talented as the Colts...

I can assure you thing, he doesn't play to win the game like he makes it seem he does.

In the media he's portrayed as this tough SOB with balls, but in an actual game under certain situations and circumstances tell us otherwise. And that is what I hate about Herm. Why he needs to go as coach. Why he'll never win a SB, even though he proclaims to be a SB coach. He's only fooling himself by thinking that way.

He puts his team into a shell with conservative strategy, and cracks under pressure. He mismanages the game, and makes costly decisions in games. Herm has lost us 3 games this year. Count em 3!

I'll bet if Herm had a gunslingers mentality we would be scoring 30 points a game. After watching the game yesterday I sat down in disgust because of how conservative he is? We coulda won that game, and should of. We gave Indy the frikk'n game. Why didn't he try to score late in the 1st half? What's he afraid of? a turnover? Please. That's why I hate Herm. He coaches with no balls. And gets his team to play the exact same way.

How many times do you have to punt and give Indy a chances? I was pissed off because a couple of times we had the ball 4 and 1, 4 and 2 inside there zone and either elected to kick FG or punt it? And his kicker sucks balls.

Why not go for it? Is he so stupid to enough to not realize that Indy is the team you never want to give all the chances in the world to? Does he not know his kicker sucks?

It pisses me off. When you see team like the Patriots go for it, and TRY TRY to move the chains on 4th down to score points yet we do the opposite?

Herm=afraid

Herm=pussy

*This is why we suck. Because we have a coach who is timid.

As inept as Herm is about offense, he needs an O wizard for OC. Not a n00b.

the more you score, the more pressure you put on the other team, and the more they become one dimensional.

Herm is a good coach, he just needs to change his offensive philosophy. Its 2 decades to late for that type of game plan.

Todays NFL is all about scoring 30pts a game. We dont even score half that on average. somthings gotta give...

We have a star in the making in the WR core with bowe, a helluva future at qb with croyle, we just need to get the offensive line up to date and we could have a dominate team. The OL scheme doesnt work though. It needs to be changed.

Herm is not a good coach. And he won't change his philosophy, he's been this way for the last 8 years? You think he will change? nope. That is why he is not good.

I beg to differ, look at how well he has our defense playing?


Herms problem, is an offensive problem. If he could just keep his hands off of it long enough, we could have quite the team.

Hes made some dumbass decisions, dont get me wrong. Yesterday i probably called him about every name in the book for not going and atleast trying to score some points just before the closeing of the first half.

And he is no bill bellichek. but he isnt as bad as some give him credit for being. Im all for giving the man another year.

A new OC is a must though. Solari just isnt cutting it. Herm is all about letting his coaching staff do their job. If we could just get someone like maybe Norve Turner or Mike Martz for OC, we could have a legit, potent offense.

I even think if we got those guys it wouldn't matter. He did the same thing in NY. You know how many times he switched offensive co-ordinators in NY? Several. And it didn't make a difference. The offense still stunk.

So what does that tell you? Trust me don't let yourself by fooled into thinking that if we changed OC it would make a difference. Herm does have an influence and say in terms of personnel and scheme. This is just the way he coaches and it's his approach to the game. That how he believes he could win by playing a strong defensive game, and just barely managing to grind it out by running the ball and playing ball control on offense. good enough to sqeak out a win. Play it safe, dont turn the ball over etc. Let your defense give you that chance to win. Believe me nothing is gonna change on offense. This is Herm. This is who he is. He still lives in the 90's. That his mentality as a coach. The only way our offense changes is if he is gone.

*And I wanna get back to what you said earlier, you said you called him about every name in the book for not going and at least trying to score some points just before closing the first half. And this is what bothers me about this team. They don't compete well enough. That pissed me off yesterday, not trying to at least give your team a chance to win. And he plays to win the game? At least show it.

Way I look at it is a good defense, in the top 3rd in pts allowed, is even MORE reason to open it up and be less conservative.

If you know your D is good enough to hold the Colts to a ****ing FG after an entire half of football why not throw a little more and take some shots down the field?...

Damn. That's a pretty darn depressing post right there, Mr. RedBull. Not saying it's incorrect. Just depressing.

Still, the question remains ... why draft Brodie Croyle - the anti-Huard - if you never want to stretch the field? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

FAX

As soon as Herm got here and the forst words out of his mouth were all about how he was going to fix the O I knew he would be a complete failure.

Exactly. Does Herm not know that if you give the Colts and the best Quarterback in the game more chances by getting the ball on offense sooner or later they're going to burn you?

Does he not know that if your defense is on the field a major of the time they get tired, and a re going to give up the big play soon?

Herm=not smart

His pal Tony Dungy saw the light. That's way the TB teams of the 90s played. I remember TB lost to the Rams 11-6 in the playoffs. 1 TD and the Bucs advance. Their D ground the GSoT down to 11 points!

Dungy gets to Indy and discovers all these weapons and liked it. Maybe that's Herm's challenge: he's never had a really potent offense (unless you count the one that took the fiel vs Cincy in September 2006)...

Oh and Herm is just dominating the playoffs as well.... ROFL

Herm isnt even a true threat as a playoff coach... a sub .500 coach deserves no respect...

Sorry. Just stating the facts and the truth. This is reality.

I feel sorry for the kid. He's got a stooge of a coaching staff beside him. How can he grow?

Amazing how we can only give up 13 a game or less, but can only score 13 TD's in 10 games...

so whats the difference between the two approaches. One was at least exciting and the other looks like a monkey ****ing a football.

Dont bash the other coaching style while we are being humilated weekly with Herms style...

Dungy is a different coach. Dungy is more intellegent and smarter than Herm. He got lucky I admit by inheriting a good offense with Manning and co. He also had Tom Moore as OC who implemented a good system there, and kept it there.

The reason he was brought to Indy was to build a good defense. That's the only reason. Why did Tampa fire Dungy? Because they had the same offense as us. And that is why they hired Gruden to build an offense there.

Good points. And Dungy has succeeded. They are good friends. Hopefully TD will influence Herm to play some arena league football soon.

In fact, he BLAMED that approach as the reason we had a shitty D. NOT NOT NOT Herm. We had a shitty D because we had shitty players and a Shitty DC who ran shitty schemes and shittily coached his players to play shitty.

No shit.

Might the same reasoning explain the offense?

Well, not the talent part anyway. With Bowe and Gonzo and LJ (pre-injury) we still sucked baows...

Has Herm manned up and even admitted that it is his fault yet? I doubt it.

That's arena football, and we don't play that.

dayum...

are you trying to sell pampers or what?

Sorry, I'm in kind of a shitty mood this morning.

I'm kind of pooped myself.

give croyle a little more playing time, and herm won't have a chance holding back the o...

croyle, bowe, tg, sippio and lj...

shitty oline or no, we're gonna see some arena ball whether or not herm likes it...

these guys have crazy skills, and they will only get better the more they play...

arena ball will be here by the end of this season...

and i can't wait...

you make a terrific point. I would repp you if you knew how.

Maybe herm just needs to 'see the light' so to speak. Dungy was known as a defensive minded coach until he got to indy, and had harrison, manning, and james on offense. He discovered what hopefully herm will discover, scoring points and lots of it, is a good thing. Going out there on offense with the intent to score touchdowns, not field goals, should be on the teams mind first and foremost. Thats what is on the patriots minds, there D is holding up just fine, and heres the thing, Our d is as good if not better than there D is. Opening up our offense can only help our solid defense that much more.

And We have had some close games that we should have won. Greenbay comes to mind, so does the denver game, the bears, the texans, and ofcourse the colts game. All games WE COULD HAVE AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE WON, regardless of who our starting QB was (evem though croyle is much better). This team is better, much better, than our current record indicates. We could just as easily be 8-2 or 9-1 right now.

I agree with redbull on alot of things in regards to herm. And I do blame yesterdays loss on him. The packers game, we had the ball on offense, we were up by 6pts, we run the ball 3 times in a row, and then punt. Farve takes his team down and scores..... We have to be more versatile on offense, we should be a pass first offense, run second. Our OL is clearly better at pass blocking than it is run blocking. We are hurting ourselfs. Maybe herm isnt the answer in the longterm. But he has brought defense back to the cheifs. BLAH..

He meant in 5 GAMES we can score 40.

Definitely a thin line between 4-6 and 6-4. We're on that line now.

thats probably more realistic... But aside from the jags game, we have been in every game this year...Who knows what could have happened if we would have just opened it up?

We didn't need 30 points yesterday. We needed one more touchdown. We had two chances, after just having scored one, and we deferred to the Colts both times.

I guess I'm a ****ing moron, but I don't think his primary objective on those two drives was to score points. His primary concern was to not turn the ball over, and was to make the Colts drive the length of the field in hopes of getting a turnover so we could kick a field goal. If we happened to break a screen or dive and get into field goal range on offense, it would have been even better. After all, he basically said that in his postgame.

We would have been better off if the Colts had scored early in the 4th, because that's when we want to score. His job, in his eyes, is to give the team a chance to win at the end. If we're losing, he wants to get the score close again. If we're tied or winning, he wants the offense to give the defense the best chance to win, with no turnovers and field position.