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Direckshun 11-27-2007 01:33 PM

The Official Walter Football Mock Draft Thread
 
As I make no secret, I love reading Walter Football. Not because the guy is particularly educated on the Chiefs, but because the guy's proud of his opinions and he has impressive knowledge of the incoming draft class.

Now, I'll have you know, every single mock he posted for us last year was wrong.

But that doesn't mean they aren't interesting.

I'll update this thread leading up to the Draft every time he updates his 2008 mock. I don't care about his 2009 mock. Plus, I'll only be focusing on the picks he gives the Chiefs.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2008.php

Direckshun 11-27-2007 01:37 PM

Updated Nov. 23. He gives us the #10 pick, and for the first time all year, he claims we won't need to use it to draft a QB.

10. Kansas City Chiefs: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. However, I don't think Kansas City can pass on Calais Campbell, the best player available at this juncture. Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy anyway.


Odd pick, but nonetheless.

40. Kansas City Chiefs: Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
Let's see... the Chiefs can't run the ball (Larry Johnson averaging 3.5 yards per carry) or pass protect (29 sacks allowed in nine games). Will Kansas City finally come to its senses and realize it needs to draft some offensive linemen to replace the ones that retired? For the sake of Chiefs fans everywhere, I hope so.


71. Kansas City Chiefs: Mike Hart, RB, Michigan
In the wake of Priest Holmes' retirement, all the Chiefs have left at the running back position are the suddenly injury-prone Larry Johnson and rookie Kolby Smith.


What an interesting 1-2-3. I wouldn't have banked on it.

chagrin 11-29-2007 12:26 PM

I like this Mock however I would still go LT first, unless of course Calais Campbell, or someone else, is truly the BPA at our pick.

The Franchise 11-29-2007 01:39 PM

I think if we can pick up Barry Richardson in the 2nd round then by all means go CB in the 1st round. I know Herm thinks that you don't have to have a 1st round CB...but our CBs are old as hell and not going to last much longer.

Chris Meck 11-29-2007 02:04 PM

I really don't think Carl is going to let Jared Allen go. I don't think a DE is a smart pick at that juncture.

If there is no stud OT there at #10, maybe trade down, pick up another #2 or #3 if there's someone there that somebody else REALLY wants.

I don't know that we need to go CB in the 1st as in this system they're not really valued as highly as others. Not saying we don't need one, just that we don't need one that high.

Of course, if we pick up an OT and maybe a G in FA, then we are relatively free to do whatever in the draft.

an OLB might not be a bad idea as Donnie's only got a year or two left in the tank.

I'd really rather move up and grab the best LT in the draft.

chris

Zeke Ziggle 11-29-2007 02:14 PM

Based on the way they have the picks i would go Baker/Ellis, Richardson/Tribble, Tevaga/Nelson. The line needs fixing but we also need CB's and another WR. just as well that we have a whole bunch of picks

The Franchise 11-29-2007 02:58 PM

What would you guys think about drafting a OT in the 1st round and trading our 2nd round pick for DeAngelo Hall?

chagrin 11-29-2007 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23
What would you guys think about drafting a OT in the 1st round and trading our 2nd round pick for DeAngelo Hall?

I don't know, what are you basing this idea on; I mean have you heard something?

The Franchise 11-29-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chagrin
I don't know, what are you basing this idea on; I mean have you heard something?

Well we know he doesn't want to play in Atlanta anymore. It's just speculation on my part.

Direckshun 11-29-2007 03:36 PM

Hall would be a good addition, but he's going to be expensive and his talents aren't necessary in the cover 2.

I stay stick with the young & cheap at CB.

The Franchise 11-29-2007 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
Hall would be a good addition, but he's going to be expensive and his talents aren't necessary in the cover 2.

I stay stick with the young & cheap at CB.

Honestly....I don't think anyone is going to be cheap anymore. I figure if we go after Hall it's because Law is going to be gone.

rtmike 11-29-2007 03:56 PM

I realize there's bigger issues (OL). But let's face it, Herm wants to play "Buc Ball" and as long as he's in charge the defense will continue to be tinkered with until it's a top 10 or 5. I hope for a OL free agent pick up and a round 2 or 3 OL addition.
So I see where agreeing with the walter analysis might work. You need that push up the middle and ends to cover the subpar secondary with the Cover 2.

I just keep thinking about the days of old and hearing coverage sacks being mentioned becasue of the likes of Carter and Hasty. Kind of the opposite of what we're doing now.

DaKCMan AP 11-29-2007 09:08 PM

If the Pats can get Darren McFadden what would be the point of any other team playing for the next 5 years?

Direckshun 11-30-2007 02:34 AM

Updated again today. Even though we've been bumped up from the 10th pick to the 8th, our two first-round picks remain the same.

8. Kansas City Chiefs: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. However, I don't think Kansas City can pass on Calais Campbell, the best player available at this juncture. Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy anyway.

38. Kansas City Chiefs: Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
Let's see... the Chiefs can't run the ball (Larry Johnson averaging 3.5 yards per carry) or pass protect (29 sacks allowed in nine games). Will Kansas City finally come to its senses and realize it needs to draft some offensive linemen to replace the ones that retired? For the sake of Chiefs fans everywhere, I hope so.


The third is where things go a little more predictable than the Mike Hart screwball.

73. Kansas City Chiefs: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, TSU
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

pikesome 11-30-2007 09:04 AM

I'm not sure I can believe that the Chiefs will let Allen go. Besides his play, he's the kind of fan favorite player that will help keep the faith till the team shows improvement. Letting him go removes one of the few reasons to watch while the rebuilding pains are in full effect.

Direckshun 12-06-2007 03:01 PM

Well, Walter is sticking to his prediction right now that the Chiefs are getting a DE, an OT, and a CB on the first day of the Draft. The order's changed around this time.

6. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, OT, USC
Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 43 sacks in 12 games again.

40. Kansas City Chiefs: Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy.

70. Kansas City Chiefs: Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.


As usual, I've got to disagree with Walter, here. I don't think DE is a severe need for the Chiefs this offseason, to the point where they're going to draft one on the first day -- on the second day, it's possible. But not on the first. Jared Allen's really not going anywhere. If we're drafting for the defensive line on the first day, it's got to be DT, not DE.

Secondly, Herm trusts himself to find CB talent in the low rounds and in UDFAs. Although he was taken with Eric Wright last year, I believe that to be an exception to the rule.

Direckshun 12-06-2007 03:13 PM

I sent this email his way. Let's see if it affects his mock next week.

Hey Walter,

Big, big Chiefs fan here. Always enjoy reading your mocks. Agree or disagree with them, they're a good read.

You've suggested over your last couple mocks that the Chiefs will be looking DE, CB, and OT on the first day, in varying order. It's almost a sure-thing that Chiefs are going OT on the first day, but DE and CB are more controversial predictions.

When asked about Jared Allen this yaer, Chiefs GM Carl Peterson has said in numerous interviews that he "doesn't let good players go." Agree or disagree, I think you and I both see the franchise option coming down the mountain and probably a Jared Allen holdout. But nonetheless, the entire Chiefs' community believes that Peterson's clamping Allen down one way or another, reducing our need to draft DE on the first day. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened on the second day, though, seeing how we need a third DE that can get some pressure.

Also, I'm sure you know that Herm Edwards was an UDFA CB in the NFL that started many years for the Eagles. He believes that he can spot CB talent as good as anyone, and trusts himself to spot talent in low rounds and the UDFA market (he drafted a CB in the 5th in 2006, and only picked up an UDFA in 2007). You don't need to be elite to be a Cover 2 corner anyway, so I'd bet on Herm drafting a CB in the lower rounds this year, but I'd be incredibly surprised to see him draft one on the first day.

Thanks, and keep up the good work.

Direckshun 12-06-2007 08:09 PM

Got an email back.

Glad you like my site.

Good info on Herm Edwards liking to see talent at cornerback. I'll definitely keep that in mind.

So, if no corner or defensive end for the Chiefs in the first three rounds, what positions do you see them going after?

Walt

Direckshun 12-06-2007 08:10 PM

My response, seconds ago.

Hey Walter,

Well, as you know, the Chiefs are desperate at every single position at OL except for Brian Waters, so I wouldn't be surprised by at least two first-day picks for OL alone. (For the record, I'm going by the old knowledge that "first day" = "rounds 1-3.")

The Chiefs are also pleased by Bowe, obviously, as a true #1. Webb's the only other WR this franchise is interested in keeping, as Kennison is half-expected to retire and Parker is fully expected to be released. Webb's no #2, though, so a first-day pick at WR isn't out of the question.

The Chiefs have Alphonso Boone doing a good job at DT, but Ron Edwards should be a backup guy, and Tyler and McBride, both high-round picks in 2007, have done next to nothing. DT remains a sore area of need.

OLB also isn't entirely out of the question if a guy of great value pops up, to replace Donnie Edwards in a couple years.

And I'm with you: if Brodie Croyle continues to show nothing, the Chiefs should draft a stud QB in the first. But Herm will probably stick with Croyle, and if he doesn't I suspect he'll (gulp) pick up Pennington in FA.

Thanks for keeping an open mind.

ChiefsCountry 12-08-2007 12:31 AM

I like Baker but I would probally take Ellis in that mock. More than likely though I would try to trade down and get Baker or one them later on.

DaneMcCloud 12-09-2007 03:15 AM

This team shouldn't spend a first day pick on defense, whatsoever.

Trade down for value if necessary but offense is a MUST.

Direckshun 12-14-2007 07:59 AM

3 round mock posted today.

Sticking with the OT-DE-CB motif, but this time around changes the personnel.

6. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, OT, USC
Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 43 sacks in 12 games again.

39. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy.

70. Kansas City Chiefs: Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

Direckshun 12-20-2007 02:45 PM

3 round mock posted today.

7. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 48 sacks in 14 games again.

37. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy.

68. Kansas City Chiefs: Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose State
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.


The big difference here is at OT this time around -- Walt believes Baker won't go until pick 14, to the Eagles.

I find this highly improbable, and would opt for Baker over Clady, but that's just me.

Direckshun 12-28-2007 02:28 PM

Three more.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle actually looked pretty decent at Indianapolis, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 52 sacks in 15 games again.

38. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy.

69. Kansas City Chiefs: Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose State
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

el borracho 12-28-2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23
What would you guys think about drafting a OT in the 1st round and trading our 2nd round pick for DeAngelo Hall?

No, no trades. We are a terrible team and can't afford to give away our picks. If you want a vet CB- go get a free-agent.

Direckshun 01-04-2008 02:00 PM

Updated today. He's starting to stay static.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need an insurance policy.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose State
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.


Why does everybody think Clady is Top Ten?

ChiefsCountry 01-04-2008 04:53 PM

Only good pick in that was the Lowery pick. I love him, he is going to be a good corner. Saw him last year in the New Mexico Bowl, and stashed him away and saw him a couple of times this year. Good cornerback.

OnTheWarpath15 01-05-2008 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
Why does everybody think Clady is Top Ten?

Who's everybody?

Almost every reputable report I've read said he's likely a 10-15 guy.

Scott Wright has him going to Houston at 16.

eazyb81 01-05-2008 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Why does everybody think Clady is Top Ten?

Excellent footwork, better than the other top tackles. He's also a definite LT, whereas some people feel that Long may end up on the right side.

Clady is a bit raw, but he has the size and physical abilities to develop into an All Pro LT.

By the way, I'm a big Walter Football fan. I'm beginning to like his analysis more than Scott Wright's, who seems to sit on the fence with many prospects.

Buehler445 01-06-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho
No, no trades. We are a terrible team and can't afford to give away our picks. If you want a vet CB- go get a free-agent.

You are correct. NO HIGH $$$ TRADES.

xbarretx 01-06-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445
You are correct. NO HIGH $$$ TRADES.

yep BPA ATW!!!!

Direckshun 01-10-2008 02:42 PM

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. And keep in mind that the Cardinals reached for Levi Brown at this position last April.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need a solid replacement. Lawrence Jackson is great value at this spot.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, TSU
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.


Intriguing third pick.

OnTheWarpath15 01-11-2008 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. And keep in mind that the Cardinals reached for Levi Brown at this position last April.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
Jared Allen may defect for another team via the free-agent market. If that happens, the Chiefs will need a solid replacement. Lawrence Jackson is great value at this spot.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, TSU
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.


Intriguing third pick.

Love the R3 pick.

The other two are horrible selections for us.

He basically comes right out and says, "I know it's a reach, but..."

And he should be smart enough to know that Allen is going to get tagged. If we draft a DE on Day One, his name will be Chris Long. And that's a longshot.

ChiefsCountry 01-11-2008 03:10 PM

Yeah he is going on biggest need and its a major reach. This team has more holes than just OL.

Direckshun 01-23-2008 04:40 PM

Walter's going four rounds now. He's finally abandoned DE, and it's looking a little more realistic now.

Look at our fourth rounder, though. Wow.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Sam Baker and Ryan Clady become serious options to improve the offensive line. I know there are better prospects available at this juncture, but Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. And keep in mind that the Cardinals reached for Levi Brown at this position last April.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

Don't count out another offensive lineman here either, but at this point, I believe Tracy Porter is the best prospect out of anyone in that area.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tony Hills, OT, Texas
Kyle Turley? Will Svitek? Seriously, this is what Carl Peterson came up with?

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
Brodie Croyle's still young, but he didn't look too promising. Spending a fourth-round pick on a signal caller couldn't hurt.

Direckshun 01-25-2008 03:12 AM

New one.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Jake Long, OT, Michigan
Brian Brohm and Andre' Woodson are both options here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Jake Long is a no-brainer. Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. That will change with Long anchoring the Chiefs' offensive front.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

Don't count out another offensive lineman here either, but at this point, I believe Tracy Porter is the best prospect out of anyone in that area.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tony Hills, OT, Texas
Kyle Turley? Will Svitek? Seriously, this is what Carl Peterson came up with?

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville
Brodie Croyle looked terrible last year, but one of the reasons for that may have been the fact that the Chiefs had nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh.

Zeke Ziggle 01-25-2008 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
New one.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Jake Long, OT, Michigan but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times,

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville
Brodie Croyle looked terrible last year

Umm Okay that makes sense. otherwise good draft. getting bookend tackles would be a huge boost on offense. Douglas would be hopefully be what stone hands samie was meant to be. And there is no way that Porter could be worse that what we already have and could be a good cover 2 CB.

Mecca 01-25-2008 04:36 PM

Douglas has been brutal down at the senior bowl just for the record.

Zeke Ziggle 01-25-2008 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca
Douglas has been brutal down at the senior bowl just for the record.

Did it have anything to do with the QB's he is working with. I only saw his name mentioned on the first day that he was slow getting in and out of cuts and that he dropped a few passes. did that continue for the rest of the week?

Mecca 01-25-2008 06:12 PM

He was running just horrible routes, he was giving routes away pretty much the second the ball was snapped.

Sfeihc 01-25-2008 09:49 PM

I really like the WR from Cal, Lavelle Hawkins. I think he may rise up to the third round or higher but if he's there in the fourth the Chiefs should grab him.

HolmeZz 01-26-2008 04:02 AM

Of course you could be wrong, you've never seen him and you're making baseless assumptions just by looking at numbers.

Direckshun 02-19-2008 04:18 PM

Since findthedr has failed to post the actual update:

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Jake Long, OT, Michigan
Before I move on, I'd like to let you know that my 2008 NFL Free Agents List has been posted.

Matt Ryan is an option here, but Brodie Croyle is young and has looked semi-decent at times, so maybe the Chiefs will hold off on drafting a quarterback and give their young gun-slinger a year to prove himself. With that in mind, Jake Long is a no-brainer. Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. That will change with Long anchoring the Chiefs' offensive front.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Early Doucet, WR, LSU
I thought about Tracy Porter here, but Early Doucet is too much value to pass up. Plus, it's not like the Chiefs don't need a receiver; the Chiefs have nothing at the position after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Heath Benedict, OT/G, Newberry
The Chiefs and Newberry logos look the same, so this pick makes a lot of sense. All kidding aside, Kansas City needs to keep rebuilding its offensive line. Heath Benedict can play multiple positions up front, so the Chiefs would really benefit from drafting him.


I think this would be an excellent draft.

raybec 4 02-19-2008 04:24 PM

That would be a great draft, even if they took Porter in the 2nd.

Sfeihc 02-19-2008 04:38 PM

We've had good luck with LSU wideouts so why not take Early early in the second?

I really like this mock draft. It sets the Chiefs up to really add some quality depth in the fifth round with their two picks.

Direckshun 03-05-2008 04:41 PM

He's got a five rounder today! Six picks!

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

This is one reason why I think Glenn Dorsey could slip all the way down to No. 9. I think he's an incredible player, but I wouldn't touch him with a top-five selection. If he falls past Kansas City, the Jets, Patriots and Ravens won't take him because he doesn't fit their systems.

With Jake Long unavailable, I think it's pretty much between Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis. Given the former's injury issues, it has to be the tackle from USC. But it's not like the Chiefs aren't getting a mediocre player or anything; Ellis threw opposing offensive linemen aside as if they were small children at the Senior Bowl.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
Even though Anthony Collins is a bit of a reach here, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Collins on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences.

101. Kansas City Chiefs: William Franklin, WR, Missouri
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh.

127. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

131. Kansas City Chiefs: John David Booty, QB, USC
A young quarterback to compete with Brodie Croyle for the starting job. John David Booty had the smallest hands of any quarterback at the combine, so he could be very prone to fumbling in the NFL.

Direckshun 03-05-2008 04:43 PM

I CANNOT BELIEVE HE HAS US TAKING BOOTY IN THE 5TH. LOL.

I'm very iffy on this Draft. Ellis is a godsend, but Collins and Franklin are reaches, and Booty sucks.

I'm happy about Sullivan in the 5th and Williams in the 3rd, though.

OnTheWarpath15 03-05-2008 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4617024)
I CANNOT BELIEVE HE HAS US TAKING BOOTY IN THE 5TH. LOL.

I'm very iffy on this Draft. Ellis is a godsend, but Collins and Franklin are reaches, and Booty sucks.

I'm happy about Sullivan in the 5th and Williams in the 3rd, though.

If it actually fell that way, I'd prefer:

R1: Sedrick Ellis

R2: Tracy Porter or Early Doucet

R3: If Porter in R2, then Curtis Lofton. If Doucet in R2, then Trae Williams

R4: If we've passed on WR to this point, Earl Bennett. Otherwise, Eric Young.

R5: John Sullivan

R5: Chad Rinehart, Chevis Jackson or Harry Douglas.

Mecca 03-05-2008 06:29 PM

I think Early Doucet is a slot WR in the NFl...

SBK 03-05-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4617227)
I think Early Doucet is a slot WR in the NFl...

I watched Doucet play a few times down here in SEC country and while he's good, I don't really want the Chiefs to take him.

OnTheWarpath15 03-05-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4617227)
I think Early Doucet is a slot WR in the NFl...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 4617238)
I watched Doucet play a few times down here in SEC country and while he's good, I don't really want the Chiefs to take him.

Keep in mind that I said if it fell that way.

I'd rather not pick Porter OR Doucet in R2.

But there wasn't really anyone else available at that spot.

Direckshun 03-21-2008 11:25 AM

From a couple days ago -- look at our second round reach. ****ing wow. I hate this Draft.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem? Furthermore, there are now rumors circulating that this player had knee surgery.

This is one reason why I think Glenn Dorsey could slip all the way down to No. 9. I think he's an incredible player, but I wouldn't touch him with a top-five selection. Imagine how damaging it would be to a franchise if he plays for two or three seasons, and then has to call it quits because he can't walk anymore (think Courtney Brown)? If he falls past Kansas City, the Jets, Patriots and Ravens won't take him because he doesn't fit their systems.

With Jake Long unavailable, I think it's pretty much between Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis. Given the former's injury issues, it has to be the tackle from USC. But it's not like the Chiefs aren't getting a mediocre player or anything; Ellis threw opposing offensive linemen aside as if they were small children at the Senior Bowl.

And yes, I'm ignoring Matt Ryan. Once again, he's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
The run on offensive tackles continues. Even though Duane Brown is a bit of a reach here, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Brown on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Speaking of Law, why hasn't he been released yet? The Chiefs told him they were going to cut him three weeks ago, but they have yet to do anything about it. What exactly is Carl Peterson doing?

101. Kansas City Chiefs: William Franklin, WR, Missouri
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

127. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

131. Kansas City Chiefs: John David Booty, QB, USC
A young quarterback to compete with Brodie Croyle for the starting job. John David Booty had the smallest hands of any quarterback at the combine, so he could be very prone to fumbling in the NFL.

The Franchise 03-21-2008 11:38 AM

"Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite."

QFT

The Franchise 03-21-2008 11:38 AM

And Duane Brown in the 2nd round is a horrendous pick.

Mecca 03-21-2008 11:43 AM

I like Duane Brown that's just way to early for him.

Direckshun 03-21-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4642778)
I like Duane Brown that's just WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to early for him.

FYP

Mecca 03-21-2008 11:54 AM

He did what everyone bitched at me for not doing, he has a ton of teams taking OT's and has the Chiefs reaching rounds early to get one.

Direckshun 03-21-2008 01:50 PM

Yeah but Duane Brown isn't even remotely the best OT left on the board. He's, at best, a mid-rounder.

The Franchise 03-21-2008 01:58 PM

2nd round - Washington Redskins: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
Washington needs to go after a massive wide out. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were both in and out of the lineup last season, and the Redskins need a large receiver in the mix. At 6-2, 217, Jordy Nelson is much more physically imposing than both Moss and Randle El (both 5-10).


I find this kind of funny considering our mock draft.

Direckshun 03-24-2008 02:34 PM

I love the repeated slams of Carl Peterson.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem? Furthermore, there are now rumors circulating that this player had knee surgery.

This is one reason why I think Glenn Dorsey could slip all the way down to No. 9. I think he's an incredible player, but I wouldn't touch him with a top-five selection. Imagine how damaging it would be to a franchise if he plays for two or three seasons, and then has to call it quits because he can't walk anymore (think Courtney Brown)? If he falls past Kansas City, the Jets, Patriots and Ravens won't take him because he doesn't fit their systems.

With Jake Long unavailable, I think it's pretty much between Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis. Given the former's injury issues, it has to be the tackle from USC. But it's not like the Chiefs aren't getting a mediocre player or anything; Ellis threw opposing offensive linemen aside as if they were small children at the Senior Bowl.

Another Tackle? There's growing speculation in the mock draft community that the Chiefs might be looking at another tackle, namely Ryan Clady or Jeff Otah. The reasoning behind this is the Chiefs need an offensive tackle more than anything. I have two problems with this. First, why reach for an inferior prospect when you can get a solid tackle atop Round 2? And second, I'm not even sure general manager Carl Peterson realizes that the position is such a dire need. Despite watching future Hall of Famers Willie Roaf and Will Shields retire in back-to-back years, Peterson completely neglected the offensive line. Peterson, in my opinion, is one of the worst GMs in the NFL, so I wouldn't be shocked if Kansas City once again fails to address the front.

Matt Ryan? Not a chance. Once again, Matt Ryan's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, OT, USC
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance Sam Baker will still be on the board. If Baker's available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Baker on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Chad Henne if he's available at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

127. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

131. Kansas City Chiefs: Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

PHOG 03-24-2008 02:46 PM

He's only telling (writing) it how it is. :)

OnTheWarpath15 03-24-2008 06:26 PM

That's a SOLID 5 rounds.

Direckshun 03-29-2008 10:48 AM

Walter continues to set his crosshairs on Carl:

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

It looks like some team may gamble on Glenn Dorsey, especially after seeing him work out in the flesh at LSU's Pro Day. I, however, wouldn't take the risk in the first five selections. At No. 9, maybe. Not at No. 5.

However, we've seen Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat). Of all the teams atop the 2008 Draft, the squad most likely to spend a top pick on a major injury risk (think Courtney Brown) is the Chiefs, which is actually pretty sad because the Raiders are slotted at No. 4.

Look, I hope I'm wrong about Dorsey. He was a dominant player at LSU and I hope he has a great NFL career. I just wouldn't recommend spending a top selection on a guy so brittle. But with Jake Long unavailable, it looks like that's what Kansas City is going to do.

But what about Matt Ryan? Not a chance. Once again, Matt Ryan's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, OT, USC
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance Sam Baker will still be on the board. If Baker's available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Baker on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

101. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Josh Johnson if he's available at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).


127. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

131. Kansas City Chiefs: D.J. Hall, WR, Alabama
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2008 01:49 PM

Dorsey and Baker would be an amazing draft.

OnTheWarpath15 03-29-2008 02:02 PM

That would be a damn fine first 5 rounds.

Tribal Warfare 03-29-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 4655896)
Dorsey and Baker would be an amazing draft.


boner worthy

Direckshun 04-02-2008 06:22 PM

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

It looks like some team may gamble on Glenn Dorsey, especially after seeing him work out in the flesh at LSU's Pro Day. I, however, wouldn't take the risk in the first five selections. At No. 9, maybe. Not at No. 5.

However, we've seen Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat). Of all the teams atop the 2008 Draft, the squad most likely to spend a top pick on a major injury risk (think Courtney Brown) is the Chiefs, which is actually pretty sad because the Raiders are slotted at No. 4.

Look, I hope I'm wrong about Dorsey. He was a dominant player at LSU and I hope he has a great NFL career. I just wouldn't recommend spending a top selection on a guy so brittle. But with Jake Long unavailable, it looks like that's what Kansas City is going to do.

But what about Matt Ryan? Not a chance. Once again, Matt Ryan's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, OT, USC
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance Sam Baker will still be on the board. If Baker's available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Baker on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyvon Branch, CB/KR, Connecticut
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

105. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Josh Johnson if he's available at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).

136. Kansas City Chiefs: Doug Legursky, C, Marshall
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

140. Kansas City Chiefs: D.J. Hall, WR, Alabama
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

Direckshun 04-02-2008 06:23 PM

I hate this mock. We passed on James Hardy in Round 2.

Mecca 04-02-2008 06:25 PM

I question if James Hardy can separate at all.....he's very big and not all that fast on the field. He's like a TE playing WR.

milkman 04-02-2008 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4663691)
I hate this mock. We passed on James Hardy in Round 2.

I'd rather wait until the 4th and take Donnie Avery.

James Hardy is a bigger Bowe, whereas Avery would be that speed compliment to stretch the field.

I would jump on Baker in the seond round if he's there.

Direckshun 04-07-2008 11:27 AM

Walter takes a more conceptual route this time around, I'll let him explain it:

Quote:

This is the Alternative Version of my 2008 NFL Mock Draft.

E-mailer Craig Pawlychyn recently gave me a great idea. He suggested that I create an alternate version of my 2008 NFL Mock Draft where none of my picks would be the same as my regular mock, while still keeping it realistic. Forum poster Bluto then suggested that I should factor in a few trades that I think could happen.

So, here's the alternate version of my mock. I've included my regular selection below each pick. Hope you like it.
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy State
2008 NFL Mock Draft (Real Version) Pick: (as of 4/7): DT Glenn Dorsey.

The Chiefs are in a tough spot if Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis are all off the board. If that happens, they can go in one of three directions: cornerback (Leodis McKelvin is a very slight reach); offensive tackle (Ryan Clady and Jeff Otah are major reaches); and running back (Darren McFadden is a dark-horse option because Herm Edwards has ruined Larry Johnson's career).

Out of those three choices, McKelvin seems to make the most sense. Patrick Surtain is old, and Ty Law was just cut. Cornerback is Kansas City's greatest need, save for offensive line.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
2008 NFL Mock Draft (Real Version) Pick: (as of 4/7): OT Sam Baker.

The Chiefs allowed 55 sacks in 2007 because Carl Peterson failed to address the offensive line despite seeing two future Hall of Famers retire. If Peterson doesn't fix the front this year, he never will.

Humorous e-mail from Guy Wilkes:

"This is what [the Chiefs] will do, regardless if [Jake] Long is available or not (which I don't think he will be)

Round 1: Glenn Dorsey

Round 2: Chad Henne

Round 3: Chris Ellis

Round 4: John Carlson

And when that happens, I will cease to be a Chiefs fan. LOL.

Does that sound like a typical Carl Peterson draft or what? Can you please explain to me how he still has a job in the NFL?!?"

Great e-mail; I can totally see that happening. And I can't explain how in the world Peterson still has a job. For the sake of Chiefs fans everywhere, I hope he either changes his draft strategy or resigns sometime soon.

chiefscafan 04-08-2008 06:06 PM

wow the walter guy said that about peterson that is awesome!!

Direckshun 04-10-2008 10:38 AM

Oy. I think this Draft is shit.

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

It looks like some team may gamble on Glenn Dorsey, especially after seeing him work out in the flesh at LSU's Pro Day. I, however, wouldn't take the risk in the first five selections. At No. 9, maybe. Not at No. 5.

However, we've seen Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat). Of all the teams atop the 2008 Draft, the squad most likely to spend a top pick on a major injury risk (think Courtney Brown) is the Chiefs, which is actually pretty sad because the Raiders are slotted at No. 4.

Look, I hope I'm wrong about Dorsey. He was a dominant player at LSU and I hope he has a great NFL career. I just wouldn't recommend spending a top selection on a guy so brittle. But with Jake Long unavailable, it looks like that's what Kansas City is going to do.

But what about Matt Ryan? Not a chance. Once again, Matt Ryan's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance a superior second-tier tackle will still be on the board. If Duane Brown's available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Brown on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyvon Branch, CB/KR, Connecticut
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

105. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Josh Johnson if he's available at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).

136. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

140. Kansas City Chiefs: Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

Direckshun 04-17-2008 10:19 AM

New 5-rounder, no changes for the Chiefs -- although Baker slips to #47:

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

It looks like some team may gamble on Glenn Dorsey, especially after seeing him work out in the flesh at LSU's Pro Day. There are rumors of him going third to the Falcons, which is what will happen if Jake Long doesn't make it there. I, however, wouldn't take the risk on a 290-pound tackle with lower-body problems in the first five selections. At No. 9, maybe. Not at No. 5.

However, we've seen Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat). Of all the teams atop the 2008 Draft, the squad most likely to spend a top pick on a major injury risk (think Courtney Brown) is the Chiefs, which is actually pretty sad because the Oakland ACLs are slotted at No. 4.

I hope I'm wrong about Dorsey. He was a dominant player at LSU and I hope he has a great NFL career. I just wouldn't recommend spending a top selection on a guy so brittle. But with Jake Long unavailable, it looks like that's what Kansas City is going to do.

But what about Matt Ryan? You never know what stunt Peterson is going to pull, but I don't think Matt Ryan's not a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance a superior second-tier tackle will still be on the board. If Duane Brown's available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Brown on the Chiefs' offensive front.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyvon Branch, CB/KR, Connecticut
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

105. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Josh Johnson if he's available at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).

136. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

140. Kansas City Chiefs: Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

The Franchise 04-17-2008 10:28 AM

I'd rather it fall like this.

1st - Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU
2nd - Sam Baker - T - USC
3rd - Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
4th - Eric Young - OG - Tenn.
5th - Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
5th - John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame

Direckshun 04-17-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 4689544)
I'd rather it fall like this.

1st - Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU
2nd - Sam Baker - T - USC
3rd - Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
4th - Eric Young - OG - Tenn.
5th - Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
5th - John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame

I'd like us to go DT-OT-WR or some variation of that order on the first day.

Edit: 1st three rounds -- still 1st day to my stupid ass.

Direckshun 04-18-2008 08:37 AM

Walter adds a 6th round. He keeps the first five rounds the same except for our 2nd pick in the 5th...

140. Kansas City Chiefs: Darius Reynaud, WR, West Virginia
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

170. Kansas City Chiefs: Chris Harrington, DE, Texas A&M
Depth is needed at defensive end, especially if Jared Allen is traded to the Vikings, Eagles or Buccaneers.

187. Kansas City Chiefs: Chauncey Washington, RB, USC
If Larry Johnson goes down again, I'm sure the Chiefs don't want Kolby Smith handling things by himself again.

Direckshun 04-24-2008 10:52 AM

He's gone 6 rounds, and added in the Jared Allen picks:

5. Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
What the Chiefs do here completely depends on what the Rams do at No. 2. St. Louis has a choice between Chris Long and Glenn Dorsey. I'll explain why the team's decision impacts Kansas City.

If the Rams Draft Glenn Dorsey... The Falcons will take Sedrick Ellis third overall. The Raiders, meanwhile, will go with Darren McFadden, leaving the Chiefs with their choice of Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, Matt Ryan, Branden Albert and Ryan Clady. For reasons I'll list below, I'm eliminating the latter three. Kansas City would probably select the defensive end it prefers most, which in all likelihood, would be Howie Long's son.

If the Rams Draft Chris Long... Atlanta would pick Dorsey at No. 3, and the Raiders would still choose McFadden. That would leave Kansas City with Ellis, Gholston, Ryan, Albert and Clady. I would think the Chiefs would go with Ellis over Gholston. First of all, Ellis is regarded as a slightly better prospect. Second, if Kansas City were to take Gholston, what would they do at 17? There won't be any decent defensive tackles worth taking there. All the offensive tackles would be long gone. They'd be stuck with a corner. On the other hand, if Ellis is the selection, Phillip Merling would be a serious option at 17. The Chiefs could also move up a few slots for Derrick Harvey.

What About Ryan Clady and Branden Albert? Albert makes more sense than Clady; his stock is higher than Clady's, and his ability to play almost every position on the front, including left tackle, has to be intriguing to the Chiefs, who need help everywhere. If I were running Kansas City's front office and I couldn't trade down, I would probably choose Albert over Ellis, just based on the team's immense need for offensive linemen. That said, I think it's a bit too early to take either guy.

But who's to say general manager Carl Peterson is going to do the right thing? We've seen Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat).

What About Matt Ryan? You never know what stunt Peterson is going to pull, but I don't think Ryan's a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.

17. Kansas City Chiefs: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
The Chiefs would love to land an offensive tackle here, but there's no way Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, Ryan Clady or Branden Albert are making it this far. The demand for linemen is so enormous right now; the Steelers and Bengals used a franchise tag on backup tackles, while the Dolphins elected to make one the first-overall pick.

Cornerback (Mike Jenkins) is an option here, but this draft is so deep at the position that Kansas City will be able to acquire one in the second or third rounds.

The defensive end position, meanwhile, isn't as deep. The Chiefs only have two ends on their roster - Tamba Hali and Turk McBride - and this could be their final chance to land a potential starter there. Kansas City could also use one of its many selections to move up a few slots to secure Derrick Harvey.

35. Kansas City Chiefs: Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
Perhaps the team that benefits most from the DeAngelo Hall trade is Kansas City; without the Raiders drafting in front of them, there's a greater chance a superior second-tier tackle will still be on the board. If Carl Nicks is available, he's pretty much a no-brainer; Kansas City cannot afford to surrender 55 sacks against next year. Hopefully that will change with Nicks on the Chiefs' offensive front.

Nicks had an outstanding combine and looked like a first-round prospect. Unfortunately, he was arrested in early March. Is his draft stock dipping? I'll dub any team that doesn't take him just because of his arrest completely foolish. Check out the details of Nicks' arrest per the Lincoln Journal Star:

"Police arrived to find the music could be heard [at 3124 Mickaela Lane in northwest Lincoln before midnight Sunday] from the sidewalk and more than 75 people inside. Empty beer cans littered the home. Police cited 10 partygoers who remained after officers told everyone to leave, including Nicks ... Police arrested Nicks on suspicion of being an inmate of a disorderly house and failure to disperse after he wouldn't leave. He since has been released."

Question - don't the cops have anything else better to do than breaking up a college party? Newsflash - more than 90 percent of college students under the age of 21 drink alcohol. And here's the kicker - NICKS ISN'T EVEN UNDERAGE! This is a non-story in my opinion. Actually, it only speaks volumes about how useless the police are in that town. How about trying to stop actual crime?

I hope Nicks gets drafted in the first round. Anyone who opposes inept, power-hungry authority is a hero in my book.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyvon Branch, CB/KR, Connecticut
Ty Law and Patrick Surtain will both be over the age of 32 once the 2008 season commences. Law, another bust signing by inept general manager Carl Peterson, was recently cut.

73. Kansas City Chiefs: Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky
The Chiefs look like they're going with Brodie Croyle in 2008, but I don't think they'll be able to resist Andre' Woodson at this juncture. I've never been impressed with Croyle; he has yet to win a game as a starting quarterback in the NFL (0-6).

It drives me nuts that Andre' Woodson could actually fall this far, but it looks like that just may happen. Well, if it does, I feel as though the Chiefs could be getting the best quarterback in this draft. Woodson doesn't have as strong an arm as Joe Flacco, or the connections that Matt Ryan possesses (i.e. a certain NFL Network analyst doesn't want to have his children), but he just seems to have the "it" that many signal callers don't have. Remember, he was the No. 1 quarterback in October. I'm just hoping Matt McGuire doesn't get an aneurysm if Woodson slips late into the third round.

82. Kansas City Chiefs: Martellus Bennett, TE, TexasA&M
With tons of picks in the third round, the Chiefs can afford to spend one on the best player available. That happens to be Martellus Bennett, who could be taken in the second round. Tony Gonzalez just turned 32, and with Kris Wilson signing with Philadelphia, Kansas City has no heir apparent for the future Hall of Famer.

105. Kansas City Chiefs: Eddie Royal, WR/PR, Virginia Tech
The Chiefs have nothing at receiver after Dwayne Bowe. As a rookie, Bowe recorded 995 yards. Ranking in at No. 2 was Jeff Webb, 313 yards. Yeeesh. Call me nuts, but I don't think Devard Darling is the answer.

136. Kansas City Chiefs: John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
The Chiefs have to keep upgrading their offensive line. However, knowing Carl Peterson's draft tactics, he'll probably take Justin Medlock here.

140. Kansas City Chiefs: Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose State
Talk about depth issues. Kansas City's starting cornerback across from the archaic Patrick Surtain is Dimitri Patterson. Yeah, I'm not sure if he's a real person either. Depth is needed even if the Chiefs grab a corner in the earlier rounds.

170. Kansas City Chiefs: Johnny Dingle, DE, West Virginia
Depth is needed at defensive end in the wake of the Jared Allen trade.

187. Kansas City Chiefs: Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
If Larry Johnson goes down again, I'm sure the Chiefs don't want Kolby Smith handling things by himself again.

Direckshun 04-24-2008 10:55 AM

I think that'd be a really good Draft, but I doubt all those OTs are gone by the 17th pick, and I'd prefer to see us take Devon Thomas with the 17th rather than Merling.

The Franchise 04-24-2008 10:58 AM

Anthony Collins is a 1st round pick now?


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