Teicher: Candidates emerge for Chiefs’ offensive coordinator position
 

Candidates emerge for Chiefs’ offensive coordinator position
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Whether he is Eric Price, Chan Gailey, Mike Shula or another possible candidate, the Chiefs hope to have an offensive coordinator in place by this time next week.

“I’d like to get the process completed before the Senior Bowl, but I’m not going to rush it,” said Chiefs coach Herm Edwards. Practice for the college all-star game in Mobile, Ala., begins on Jan. 21.

“We’re going to be as thorough as possible,” Edwards said. “When you’re talking about hiring a coordinator, you need a person who understands that position is an all-day, every-day deal. Whether it’s in the meetings with the players, on the practice field or at night with the coaching staff, there are a lot of demands on the person in this position. At the end of the day, it’s my job to make sure we’re making the best decision for our football team.”

Edwards wouldn’t confirm candidates, but sources indicated he has already met with Price and Gailey and may eventually do so with Shula.

The known candidates have diverse backgrounds. Price, the offensive coordinator at Texas-El Paso and son of UTEP head coach Mike Price, is unheralded, but Edwards appears to consider him a rising star. Price, 41, was once an offensive assistant for Edwards when he coached the New York Jets. Running a spread offense, UTEP averaged more than 30 points in three of Price’s four seasons as coordinator.

Gailey, 56, is a coaching veteran. Gailey in his 34-year career has coordinated offenses for the Broncos, Steelers and Dolphins and been a head coach for the Cowboys and Georgia Tech. He was fired at Georgia Tech in November after six seasons.

Shula, 42, is a mix of the two. The son of Don Shula, he was the offensive coordinator for Tampa Bay in the late 1990s while Edwards served as defensive-backs coach. He later became head coach at Alabama, where he worked with current Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle.

Shula currently is quarterbacks coach for Jacksonville.

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy,” Edwards said. “As a coaching staff we all need to be on the same page. To me, it’s about our players and not a system, and we’re looking for someone who is in full agreement with that approach.”


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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/441139.html

I guess Adam didn't want to stir crap this time around. No mention of Paul.

To me, that seems to be contradictory. If you do not want to put a system in place to which your players are not well suited for, then why would you put a OC in a philosphy he is not well suited for... or better yet, why would you have a 'philosophy' on offense that your players might not suit?

So, what he is saying it seems, is that if he had Tom Brady and Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Jerry Rice in his prime, a finesse pass blocking OL, and a small quick back like Marshall Faulk, Herm would run it between the tackles all damn game because that is his philosophy? That is ****ing reeruned... god he is ****ing reeruned.

I understand what he is saying, yes. He wants to us to be a big O that can bruise you and run it on you. That is his philosphy, ball control and predicatability. But if that is his philosophy we might as well take the UTEP guys name out of the hat.

Air Chaos.

FAX

By "philosophy", he's talking about the approach that the coordinator needs to run an offense that fits the players, not make the players run an offense that fits the coordinator. He wants someone who agrees with that and understands it, not someone who will try to bring in a system that doesn't fit who we have here.

He's not referring to anything on the field at all.

I took it as Herm has his philosophy that he wants the OC to follow. And the OC will help Herm install a scheme that fits the players. So what I was getting at is what if his philosophy doesnt fit the players?

edit: for example: Herm's philosophy is to control the clock and the ball, no turnovers, more running less throwing. So what happens when he and the OC go to make a scheme that 'fits' the players and they find that our team and the players are better suited to throwing the ball and spreading it out more, ie. throwing to set up the run. will he change his philosophy to fit his players, or will he stick with his philosophy and make the OC find a new scheme that 'fits' the players the relies on running the ball more?

I hear he's endorsing Hillary.

Interestingly, Shula was QB coach under Gailey at Miami (wandstadt) after his HC stint in dallas and before leaving for Gtech. I imagine it would have to be a flip flop this time around for both to join. Unless Jags fire Shula or he signed a 1yr deal he can't make the lateral jump. I find it somewhat odd that we tried a year ago to hire shula and he chose jax instead. That was the only way Herm looked before moving Curl to QB coach to replace Shea.

Gailey could bring in guys he has ties with like Mike Mularky(if he doesn't get an OC offer) and Hudson Hauck OL coach who was a longtime Dallas OL coach and later Miami with Gailey and just fired by Parcells. Although he may retire.

If we go Price I would be happy we took a chance in a way we usually wouldn't. He might be able to step right in for his dad once he retires from UTEP so you have to consider that as well.

Havn't heard anything on Jeremy Bates from Denver since BRC's thread on it. I'd like to see them get him, a 31 yr old who cut his teeth under Gruden then at NYJ in 05 before denver. Young but has been around some good minds. Then try and hire a Gailey for position coach or Callahan as OLcoach/running game CO. That is a role Mangini is looking at Callahan for in NYJ to help B. Schottenheimer go further as a CO. Whoever just someone who has OC/HC experience with a good Offensive background and would come to KC to help tutor Bates.
Unlikely though.

I think you're letting the word "philosophy" sidetrack you into thinking about on-field things, running and ball control and such. Herm's not talking about anything on-field related in this context.

But he does have an offensive philosophy like you described, certainly. If he's the one building the team and choosing the players, I doubt he's going to pick guys who don't fit into how he wants the team to play. He picked Bowe, a thicker strong WR who can block and battle for yards after the catch, not a smaller quicker WR like Vermeil and Saunders seemed to prefer. I would assume he'd continue in that manner.

But if the way he wants to play doesn't work, like this season when we couldn't run the ball, we'll probably have no choice but to throw it more. It took awhile but eventually we did get away from running RBs right up the center's butt every play this past year.

Young and good bloodlines
 

Carson Palmers QB Coach

Ken Zampese.

Has a couple years Coryell(which Herm doesn't want) but has been part of the rise of the Bengals offense since.

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy,” Edwards said. “As a coaching staff we all need to be on the same page. To me, it’s about our players and not a system, and we’re looking for someone who is in full agreement with that approach.”


holy shit herm now you want the new guy to act like he is as dumb as you what a philosophy

What OC doesn't tweak his system to fit his personnel's strengths?

Unfortunately, I think what Herm is trying to say is that the OC's system is going to be trumped by Herm's play-not-to-lose philosophy, and the OC better be prepared to operate under that mandate.

Coaches
 

If he picks someone that has already worked for him, wouldn't they already be ruined? I thought that was the effect working for him did to a person.

Unlike how they hired herm.

At the end of the day, it’s my job to make sure we’re making the best decision for our football team.”

Herm - then please quit at the end of this day.

Yep. And that's why my bet is that he hires Price from UTEP.
Please, somebody wake me up, I'm soooooo tired of this ****ING Herm Edwards nightmare. :cuss:

Herm doesn't know a god damn thing about offense.

Herm will just make him change his pholosophy to match his own...

I was hoping the "good ol' boy" system was going to come to an end, but it lloks like it is still alive and well at Arrowhead.

You're right. And once again, under CP, the Chiefs find themselves in a situation where they're only going to successfully build one side of the ball. Man, this $hit gets old...

I actually have no problem with the "good ol' boy" system.

The fact is, almost everyone in the NFL, in sports, really works in much the same way.

The problem is, the "good 'ol boys" in Carl and Herman ****ing Edwards' system are generally equally as incompetent as they are.

“When you’re talking about hiring a coordinator, you need a person who understands that position is an all-day, every-day deal. Whether it’s in the meetings with the players, on the practice field or at night with the coaching staff, there are a lot of demands on the person in this position. At the end of the day, it’s my job to make sure we’re making the best decision for our football team.”

Where did he say this at, ESPN's headquarters?? :spock:

:thumb: I agree totally with your entire post. DV's network was just as bad as Herms appears to be as well. Therefore, I wouldn't mind seeing someone who has no ties to this outfit being brought in for an interview at the very least.

translation ...... "i'm tired of all these offensive guys trying to shove all this fancy-schmancy Arena Ball offense down my throat. I'm looking for a guy that will run the dam ball and protect my defense!"

How difficult is it to understand "Run, Run, Pass, Punt"?

Herm has spent his entire career trying to keep offenses from scoring, and now he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

That part of the scheme you are missing is that they are supposed to run the ball 15 times to get to the 50 yard line, then punt so that the D can get a turnover and the offense can kick a FG.

Understanding Herm's philosophy doesn't narrow the field of candidates at all. They all understand it in about two minutes.

The key is findings someone who embraces it. That's going to be much, much harder. If you use it as a filter, it looks like Herm will be calling his own plays this year.

I don't know why, but out of the candidates mentioned, I am kinda intrigued by Eric Price. I feel the Jason Garrett vibes and possibly our next HC.

we are waiting around to hire to Shula...

That is what I think, since he is still in the playoffs we cant hire him yet...

I can't believe we'd hire him. We need someone to suspend the disbelief that we will suck on offense with Herm as coach, and Shula is not that guy.

At least with Price, a young guy with some upside, and Gailey, a guy with a pretty good track record, there'd be a little hope. With Shula and his history? Good luck selling tickets.

WHat did Price do under Herm when he was with the Jets?

Whats his claim to fame? Did he help develop Pennington? Anyone know?

why haven't we hired him then? It doesn't take a genius to see we are waiting till the Jags go out to interview and hire Shula Jr. as OC.

Wasn't he a quality control coach or something? He was a step up from an intern.

from the UTEP website:
"He worked with the NFL's New York Jets in 2001 and 2002 as an offensive assistant. He played a major role in the progression of quarterback Chad Pennington, who led the NFL in passing efficiency during the 2002 season."

He has an impressive UTEP record I think, as OC.

As much as he is castigated here, Jimmy Raye actually made one of the most notable adjustments in franchise history in 2000 when KC lost its RB and FB early on. The '99 Chiefs had been build on maulball/play-action, and JR was able to adapt the remaining personnel to a pass-first O that finished #5 passing that season.

I think the deal here is that Carl wanted to continue Al Saunders' success and so he pigeon-holed Herm into promoting Solari, a coach with zero play-calling experience. Now that Herm has been vindicated, he wants an OC with the flexibility to adjust the system to fit the personnel, something the truncated Coryell system we were running could never do.

In the end, if Herm has learned from his past mistakes he will be open to whatever works in 2008-09, and hire an OC accordingly.

They'll promote how he knows Brodie Croyle.......it'll be nice to watch Shula and Croyle go down in flames together eh?

If Trent Green for QB coach can be knocked around
Tony Richardson's 2 year contract is up in Minnesota
I smell a T-Rich for RB coach campaign at Chiefsplanet

Every time you post you further expose yourself as a dumbass.

The Coryell system was all about flexibility and adjusting to fit a team's personnel... and to see an example of that just look at how Vermeil/Saunders altered the system to fit the Chiefs, compared to how it was run with the Lambs.

Vermeil/Saunders took the offense that was more pass-oriented in St. Louis and utilized multiple WRs and a spread look in the passing game, to a more run-oriented offense in KC that emphasized the playaction game and featured the TE and utilized a fullback, rather than a lot of 4/5-wide looks.

I hope Price is the guy, but with Herm waiting, it's a no-brainer that it will be Shula. If he really wanted Price, he could have hired him last week. This is going to be miserable - again.

Hiring Shula as OC only helps the 0-16 possibility next year for Herm's Chiefs so I'm all for it.

Shula’s mind not on Chiefs’ coordinator opening
 

Shula’s mind not on Chiefs’ coordinator opening
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. | Jacksonville quarterbacks coach Mike Shula said Saturday it was too soon to give the Chiefs’ vacant offensive coordinator’s position much thought.

But Shula, considered a candidate for the job, gave a pretty good audition based on the performance of star pupil David Garrard, who threw a scare into unbeaten New England before losing 31-20 in an AFC second-round playoff game.

“Our mind has been on trying to win a championship,” Shula said after the game, “and for me to make comment now … it’s like every other year, when the season is over, you’ve got to sit back and take a few days and evaluate things.

“I love my job in Jacksonville; I hated that (the season) ended tonight.”

Shula, son of Don Shula, the NFL’s all-time leader in coaching victories, was head coach at Alabama during 2003-06 and led the Crimson Tide to a 26-23 record, including a 10-2 mark in 2005. Shula, 42, played a major role in the development of current Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle at Alabama.

Croyle, the Chiefs’ third-round pick in 2006, set school records for pass attempts, completions and yards, including a single-season record 2,499 yards in 2005.

Shula spent four seasons as Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator for Tony Dungy during 1996-99 when Chiefs coach Herm Edwards was the club’s assistant head coach.

The Jaguars’ offense ranked seventh in the NFL, and Garrard gave Shula a ringing endorsement.

“I know he would do a great job,” said Garrard, who completed 22 of 33 passes for 278 yards and two touchdowns against New England. “He has, of course, a coach’s mind. I’ve been telling him, he’s been coaching since he was 4 years old just because he’s been around the game for so long.

“I know he’ll be able to work (the Chiefs) offense and get their offense up and going. And if he has Brodie Croyle … I think it will be a great fit for him. I would hate to see him leave here. But I wish him the best whatever he does


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/442662.html

What the hell? The Kansas City Star's Randy Covitz talked to David Garrard about Shula possibly coming to KC? That's like... actual reporting and stuff.

Meanwhile, Teicher was prepping his next column about how he had a feeling that Herm could consider the possibility of seeing if Jimmy Raye might want to be a candidate.

:clap: :thumb:

Teicher is about as worthless to the Star as Carl is to the chiefs.

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy". The real question is does CP and Herm understand our philosphy? There lies the question. Thus, there may be the problem. " You play to WIN the game". Don't you?

No, that isn't the question at all.

Carl and Herman ****ing Edwards set the philosophy, so they understand it.

Okay, Herman ****ing Edwards is a dumbass, so he may not.

I guess I don't get the Eric Price thing.

Yes I want the Chiefs to try to score as many points as possible and the spread offense seems to be the best one for doing that but unless I'm missing something, it seems like the pats are the only team around who can run that type of system... And it helps when you have a HOF QB directing that offense.

Yeah - but hopefully for only 2 more years at most. :thumb: