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Help for KC at Wide Receiver
Just found this information and thought I would share with you.
There's been a lot written about the KC Chiefs needing to draft or sign a free agent wide receiver to compliment Dwayne Bowe. The following might shed some light on the free agent wide receivers. I found this web site and it has some pretty interesting stats - http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php I took the information from that Web site and then created a list for free agent wide receivers for this year. Free Agent Wide Receivers Available for 2008 Justin Gage, TEN Titans, made 65% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 28th with this footballoutsider.com evaluation. Dante Stallworth, NE Patriots, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 31st. Jabar Gaffney, NE Patriots, made 72% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 41st. Bernard Berrian, CHI Bears, made 55% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 53rd. Andre Davis, HOU Texans, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 63rd. Bryant Johnson, ARZ Cardinals, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 71st. D.J. Hackett, SEA Seahawks, made 68% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 47 passes thrown to him. Devery Henderson, NO Saints, made 48% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 42 passes thrown to him. Samie Parker, KC Chiefs, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 39 passes thrown to him. |
Also found it interesting that D. Bowe was ranked 14th for all NFL receivers, this is nice to see.
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Bowe kicks ass!
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My first free agent choice after seeing this would be Jefferson City, Missouri’s Justin Gage. Since we are in the NFL Combine period and everyone is looking at sizes and speed; He is 6'4" 212 lbs. Runs the 40 in under 4.5 (was timed at 4.43). He was the Tennessee Titans leading receiver last year which means teams usually put one of their better cornerbacks against them. New England's Dante Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney would have faced weaker coverage because of double coverage on Randy Moss and also coverage on Wes Welker. Bryant Johnson faced weaker corners when Boldin and Fitzgerald were playing. Also the catch percentage can be distorted by the accuracy of the QB. Vince Young ranked 26th in QB rating. Tom Brady ranked 1st, Matt Hasselback ranked 8th, and Kurt Warner ranked 10th.
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I think all of the free agent wide receivers that I have listed are around 27 years old.
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I was originally thinking that Bryant Johnson or Andre Davis (ability to return kicks) would be good pickups. I still think Andre Davis could be good. He had two TDs on kick returns this last year. He was one of the top punt return men in the nation at Virginia Tech.
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Washington cut Brandon Lloyd, he might be someone to bring in on the cheap. He was good in San Fransisco and is still in his mid to late 20s.
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Bryant Johnson is by far the best guy of the WR's this year....
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From a pre 2003 NFL draft interview with Justin Gage –
“It would be really special, but just to get drafted would be special, too. If I were to stay in Missouri, that would be great. I grew up in Missouri, went to college here, so being able to play in the NFL for either Missouri team would be special; I have had small conversations with the Rams and Chiefs. But to play for any team is my goal.” |
Justin Gage is just big and slow, I don't know what the obsession is with wanting KU/MU/and Kstate players on the team.
If you wanna sign Lloyd that's fine, I remember being pissed when we drafted Brett Williams over him. |
I also want Bryant Johnson. We can call him BJ.
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Bring me Bryant Johnson!
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I liked Bryant Johnson too but one thing concerns me about him is his reputation for dropping balls in crucial situations. I also think as a former 1st round draft pick, Kansas City will have to bid high to get him.
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I actually prefer D.J. Hackett, imo he would make an excellent #2 and i dont think we'll have to pay a kings ransom to get him.
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I don't think Bryant Johnson would break the bank, as long as hes not getting more than D'Bowe I'm OK with it. We need a player like him, and I don't want to settle for another no name player to save a few pennies.
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D. J. Hackett catching 68% of balls thrown his way is pretty impressive.
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The only difference imo between BJ n DJ is the fact that BJ was a #1 pick. Neither has really tore it up but DJ finally got a decent chance to succeed, and was doing well, but got hurt. |
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His draft scouting report: Hackett was the leading receiver for Colorado in 2003. His breakout '03 campaign, where he grabbed 78 passes for 1,013 yards and seven scores and was named the team's MVP, dwarfed his menial numbers in '02, in which he caught only 15 passes for 181 yards and two scores. Hackett has good size and has an amazing vertical jump, but he isn't overly fast and not a big play threat. He is more of a possession guy, and not a true number 1 receiver. Hackett could be a good second or third receiver in the NFL. |
BJ and DJ are probably my top two in that order, I hope we can grab one of those two. If not we have to hope we can snag a steal in the 2nd.
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The point of my post was to show the http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php Web site which at least ranks the WRs and attempts to give a reason for the ranking.
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I wonder how much Michigan WR Mario Manningham's slower-than-expected 40 time will effect his stock. :hmmm: |
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He's a prototypical white WR. Only he's not white. :evil: |
I think even if KC picks up a free agent wide receiver (Hackett, Johnson, Gage, etc.) they will try to draft a wide receiver/punt returner or cornerback/punt returner. They have no one right now that can return punts for them.
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I first started out looking at free agent wide receivers that the Chiefs might try to sign. I then started looking at something that might rate and evaluate them. I really expected Bernard Berrian or Bryant Johnson to be the top choice in free agency. Gage was way down my list of possibilities so I was surprised to find this evaluation.
Just a reply to the obsession comment about local University players. I thought that was a bonus since Gage was a local person, but certainly not a reason to go out and sign him. |
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Last year our special teams (blocking) sucked, we had no 3rd down WR the QB could depend on, and we're looking at young FA's to contribute. I'd rank him like a young Boomer/Maz/Stills type contribution. A special teamer that contributes to the ideology we claim we're adopting and brings a dimension to depth we don't currently have. Quote:
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SIPPIO!!!!!!!!!!11!!1
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Does the KC scouts ever check in the gloves
to see if there is actually hands in them not some plastic or stone replica |
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Wow either DJ or BJ would be awesome, with my prefrence by a good margin ebing hackett... though knowing us we'll go out and pay to much for some nobody who will never do anything...
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He was nothing but injured for Seattle this past year. Johnson is the prize, good size, good speed, good hands, just sitting behind to elite level WR's. He doesn't have injury problems or shitty hands or no speed like alot of these other guys. |
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He's like a taller version of Samie Parker.
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I, too, would like to see Sippio opposite of Bowe and see how things pan out.
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Sippio as a starter? No thanks. Sippio couldn't even get on the field, let alone produce and now some want him as a starter? Don't quit your day job.
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http://http://www.nfl.com/combine/pr...simpson?id=318
Here's a sleeper type WR we could pick up late in the draft that has some nice potential. I becane aware of him when I saw a blurb on him having a good SR Bowl. It was said he had the biggest hands of any WR at the SR Bowl. Anyways check him out. PhilFree:arrow: |
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DJ Hackett would be an awesome "sleeper" like a Priest Holmes signing.
The only thing is the Chiefs need a legit #1 or #2 threat to go opposite Bowe. None of the guys on that list are a guarantee. |
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Jerome Simpson (WR) Height:6'2" Weight:190 College:Coastal Carolina Conference:Big South Hometown:Reidsville, NC High School:Reidsville 40-yard dash | Vertical jump | Broad jump Featured Players OverviewAnalysisQ & AOverview Overview Unquestionably the face of the Chanticleers' program, Simpson brought the young program into the national spotlight with a sensational junior campaign. The school record-holder for game, season and career marks in receptions, yardage and touchdowns, he produced 11 multiple-touchdown performances in 41 games. Simpson holds the Big South Conference career-record with 2,430 yards receiving, including a Big South season-record 1,077 yards in 2006, a year he also set the league mark with 16 touchdown catches. At Reidsville High School, Simpson earned Class AA All-State honors and was a runner-up for Class 2-AA Mr. NCHSAA Football honors as a senior. He added All-State accolades during his junior season. He led the team to back-to-back Class AA state titles, setting a championship game-record with 13 catches for 133 yards, while also throwing a 62-yard scoring strike to earn Most Valuable Player honors in his final year. He would go on to play in the Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas and also competed in the East-West game. In his final campaign, Simpson hauled in 96 passes for 1,324 yards (13.8-yard average) and 14 touchdowns, despite missing three games with an injury. The school's all-time leading receiver amassed almost 3,000 receiving yards during his last two seasons. He also lettered in basketball and track. He led the hoops squad to its first state title as a senior, scoring 19 points in the championship game to garner MVP honors. He also ran on the school's 4x400-meter relay team that captured the state title (3:21). As a true freshman at Coastal Carolina in 2004, Simpson earned Big South Conference Freshman of the Year honors and was named Big South Freshman of the Week three times during the season (vs. Morehead State, Davidson and Charleston), where he posted his first career 100-yard receiving game. He started all 11 games, coming up with 26 receptions for 419 yards (16.1-yard average) and eight touchdowns at split end, adding an assisted tackle and a stop for a loss on limited defensive play. Simpson was a second-team All-Big South Conference selection as a sophomore, as he started six of 11 games in 2005. He also earned South Carolina All-Star recognition from the Orangeburg Touchdown Club. He led the team with 33 catches for 527 yards (16.9 avg) and nine touchdowns, but lost 29 yards on a pair of reverses. He recorded one solo tackle and scored 54 points for the season. In 2006, Simpson became the first player in school history to gain over 1,000 yards in a season. The All-American second-team choice by the Associated Press and Football Gazette added All-Big South Conference first-team accolades to his resume. He led the league and ranked eighth nationally in receiving yards (89.75 yards per game), ranked third in the Big South in receptions (5.08 per game) and set the school and conference record for touchdown catches (16). He scored 96 points while grabbing 61 passes for 1,077 yards (17.7 avg) and ran once for an eight-yard loss. With Tyler Thigpen graduated, Simpson had to develop chemistry with the team's young quarterbacks in 2007, as the aerial game struggled to gain momentum. Through the team's first 10 games, he ranked fifth in the Big South in receptions (3.7 rpg) and receiving yards (61.3 ypg). He led the team with 37 receptions for 613 yards (16.6-yard average) and 10 touchdowns. He returned a kickoff 15 yards and also gained 10 yards on a reverse. He recovered a fumble and recorded one solo tackle. Simpson also lettered twice on the school's track team. He was a member of the 2006 Big South Conference Men's Outdoor Track and Field Championship squad, earning All-Big South honors after finishing third in both the high jump and long jump. He also set a new school record in the high jump with a leap of 2.05m (6' 8.75"). He finished third at the NCAA East Regionals in the long jump and qualified for the 2007 NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships.. He was also on the school record 4x400-meter relay squad that set the new mark at the Big South Championships. In 44 games at Coastal Carolina, Simpson started 38 games. He set school records with 157 receptions for 2,636 yards (yardage is also a Big South Conference mark) and 41 touchdowns, averaging 16.79 yards per catch. He scored 246 points, rushed four times for losses totaling 27 yards (minus-6.8-yard average) and returned a kickoff 15 yards. He recorded three tackles (two solo), including one for a three-yard loss and recovered one fumble. Career Notes Simpson holds virtually every school game, season and career receiving records...On the Big South Conference record charts, he set the league career-record with 2,636 yards receiving, topping the old mark of 2,429 yards by Marcus Price of Charleston Southern (2004-06) and the previous school record of 1,126 yards by Chris Noble (2003-06)...His 157 receptions rank third in Big South annals behind Price (202) and Duvaughn Flagler of Gardner-Webb (173, 2004-present)...Simpson also shattered the old CCU all-time record of 80 catches by Noble...His 43 touchdown receptions set school and Big South career records, topping the league mark of 28 by Flagler...Only Aundres Perkins of Coastal Carolina (47, 2003-06) had more total touchdowns in league and CCU history...Registered seven 100-yard receiving games, ranking behind Maurice Price (10) on the Big South all-time list...His receiving average of 16.79 yards per catch ranks second behind Lauren Williams of Liberty (17.6-yard average, 2003-05) in Big South history and Simpson set the school record, breaking the previous CCU mark of 16.78 yards per catch by Jamar Anderson (2006)... Among non-kickers, his 246 points scored are second in school and Big South history, surpassed by Perkins' 286...Simpson's 61 receptions in 2006 placed him seventh on the Big South's season-record list and broke his own school mark of 33 grabs in 2005... Became just the third player in Big South history and the first in CCU annals to gain over 1,000 yards receiving (1,077 in 2006), joining Maurice Price of Charleston Southern (1,043 in 2005) and Aaron Dunklin of Charleston Southern (1,025 in 2003)...His average of 17.7 yards per catch in 2006 rank second on the league record books behind Kory Alston of Gardner-Webb (18.3 avg in 2004)...His 16 touchdown catches in 2006 set new school and conference season-records, topping the old league mark of 13 by William Andrews Jr. of Gardner-Webb in 2003 and matched by Duvaughn Flagler of Gardner-Webb in 2005...Simpson's five 100-yard receiving performances in 2006 are one shy of the league single-season record of six by Maurice Price in 2005...Scored 96 points in 2006, topping the old Big South annual record of 91 by Matt Sharpe of Virginia Military Institute in 2003 and the previous school record of 84 points by Aundres Perkins in 2003...His average of 89.75 yards receiving in 2006 established a new Big South season-record, topping Aaron Dunklin of Charleston Southern's old mark of 85.4 yards in 2003...Had at least one touchdown catch in 11 games during 2006, tying the old NCAA Division 1-AA season-record set by Randy Moss of Marshall in 1996...Only Jarrett Dillard of Division 1-A Rice (13 in 2006) had more games with catching at least one touchdown pass in a season in the history of college football...His 207 yards receiving vs. Georgia Southern in 2006 set a school game-record, topping his own mark of 162 yards vs. James Madison in 2005 (owns nine of CCU's top 10 receiving performances)...Those 207 yards rank second on the Big South single-game record list behind Duvaughn Flagler of Gardner-Webb's 210 vs. Wofford in 2005, as they are the only two players in league history to gain over 200 yards receiving in a game...Simpson's three touchdown catches vs. Charleston (W.V.) in 2004 are one short of the conference game-record of four scores by Maurice Price of Charleston Southern vs. Savannah State in 2005...His average of 25.88 yards per reception vs. Georgia Southern in 2006 is a school record and ranks fourth in Big South Conference history...His 66-yard reception vs. Liberty in 2006, 61-yarder vs. Gardner-Webb in 2006 and 60-yarder vs. Savannah State in 2005 are topped only by Santini Washington's 80-yard catch vs. Wofford in 2006 as the school's longest reception. High School Attended Reidsville (N.C.) High School, playing football for head coach Jimmie Teague...Earned Class AA All-State honors and was a runner-up for Class 2-AA Mr. NCHSAA Football honors as a senior and All-State accolades during his junior season...Led the team to back-to-back Class AA state titles, setting a championship game-record with 13 catches for 133 yards, while also throwing a 62-yard scoring strike to earn Most Valuable Player honors in his final year...Played in the Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas and also competed in the East-West game...In his final campaign, Simpson hauled in 96 passes for 1,324 yards (13.8-yard average) and 14 touchdowns, despite missing three games with an injury...The school's all-time leading receiver amassed almost 3,000 aerial yards during his last two seasons...Also lettered in basketball and track...Led the hoops squad to its first state title as a senior, scoring 19 points in the championship game to garner MVP honors...Ran on the school's 4x400-meter relay team that captured the state title (3:21). Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange. Analysis Analysis Positives: Has a lean torso with room to add at least another 10 pounds of bulk without having that weight impact his overall quickness...Shows very good elevation to go over the crowd and reach and extend for the pass at its highest point...Demonstrates good fakes and twisting moves to force the defensive backs to come out of backpedal too early and does a nice job of redirecting coming out of his breaks to take the opponent off-balance...Shows great concentration, natural hands and ball security, doing a good job of shielding the ball from the defender...Compensates for a lack of blazing speed with precise route running and very good plant-and-drive agility...His flexibility and balance in his running stride helps him in attempts to separate after the catch...Has outstanding reach and arm length to get to off-target throws and shows excellent body control keeping his feet along the boundaries...Slippery route-runner with the loose hips to change direction without having to break stride...Competitive, intense player with a very good grasp of the playbook, showing the vision to quickly locate the soft areas in the zone...Sinks his weight and lowers his pads to settle in underneath much better as a senior than he did in the past (would take soft angle cuts or fail to sit in the soft spots)...Instinctive route runner who does a nice job of working back when the quarterback is in trouble...Won't explode off the line, but has a decent initial burst to generate movement and get into his routes...Perfect role model for the team's younger players with his work ethic and takes well to hard coaching...Has an array of moves to fool a lethargic defender in attempts to beat the press...Shows good route progression acceleration and can stretch the defense with the way he comes out of his breaks cleanly...Works hard to uncover and shows the hand-eye coordination, along with timing and excellent leaping ability to pluck the ball away from his framework...When going up for the high pass, his superb elevation will generally see him win most jump balls...Maintains tremendous focus going for the ball in a crowd and is known for making acrobatic catches look routine...Might have greatest reach and biggest hands of any receiver in the 2008 draft...Shows smoothness in his running stride and the flexibility to snatch the ball and then set up the defender in attempts to separate...His high-point receiving skills are superior to most receivers in the college ranks. Negatives: Needs to improve his overall strength and add muscle tone to his frame, as he has skinny thighs and marginal muscle tone in his upper body...More quick than fast, but compensates with precise moves and good lateral agility...Lacks a sudden burst to surprise defenders coming off the snap...Can shield a smaller defender, but his lack of strength makes him susceptible to getting over-run by the bigger defenders when blocking inline...Runs crisp short-area routes, but will sometimes drift or round his cuts attacking the deep seam...Does not have that explosive second gear to separate, but shows the moves, especially when twisting, to break free from the initial tackle...Will use his slippery moves to separate, but does not have the burst to win long distance foot races. Compares To: T.J. HOUSHMANDZADEH-Cincinnati...Like Houshmandzadeh and the Colts' Reggie Wayne, Simpson gets outstanding elevation going for the ball in a crowd. He needs to add more bulk and improve his overall strength, but he has incredible arm length and large, natural hands, along with outstanding elevation to get to the ball at its highest point. Due to a lack of blazing speed, he might be a better fit playing the slot, but he shows great field vision and boundary awareness, as his change-of-direction agility and array of moves surprise the defense in attempts to separate. Injury Report No injuries reported. |
Johnson,Hackett,Gage ,Berrian,Davis anyone to be opposite D.Bowe. Let Sippio develop as slot
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I'd rather focus on the draft for finding a WR.
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I think this is a crappy year to be drafting WR's, maybe it's just me but I am really not impressed by any of these guys.
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Is Samie Parker an UFA?
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Then whats his (BJ's) excuse before Fitz got there? Have you ever watched him? The guy doesnt have "good" hands, he has "ok" hands. He's not a solid route runner. To boot, the guy doesnt want anything to do with blocking. Prize? :shake: |
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He sucks? ROFL He's improved every year since being in the league, more than i can say for Bryant Johnson. |
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Here's a recent scouting report: Berrian has excellent deep speed, ball skills and red-zone ability. He is deceptive and gets on top of off defenders quickly. He has the extra gear to separate from tight man-to-man coverage. He is outstanding in the red zone. He runs good fade routes and attacks high balls, often out-jumping the defender. He has soft hands and impressive hand-eye coordination. He tracks and snatches balls, often without breaking stride. He continues to refine his game and improve his route running. He no longer is just a deep threat and decoy. He is excellent after the catch and dangerous on reverses. He has improved his hand use and has the quickness to avoid most jams at the line. He makes the effort as a blocker. But Berrian is lean and somewhat limited by his lack of bulk. He sometimes struggles against tough press coverage. He isn't a physical downfield blocker. |
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Did Antonio Cromartie play for SC? I've had enough of that bullshit to last a lifetime, USC is an NFL factory so yes when it comes to the draft they will have players talked about. |
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Kinda funny to bring up Johnsons first year in the league when that was roughly what 5 years ago? Hey think what you want but from what I've seen Johnson is easily the best FA WR. |
Wide receivers seem to be very unpredictable as to production when they switch teams. How many stud receivers have flopped at their new teams. Look at our history. Johnny Morton was great for Detroit, but average for us, yet EK, who was ran out of Denver, was great for us. Anyone remember Alvin Harper? Keyshawn Johnson never matched his numbers with the Jets, Terry Glenns best days were in NE. I would rather draft a wr.
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Um the Bears are on pretty frequently and I know my Bears fan friend hates him....
I also don't base my opinion of a player based upon what I read on some website. He's fast, he can run deep, that is the only part of his game that is worth a damn in my view. I like Johnsons game better he can do more things...he isn't as fast but he's better at everything else.. Just no one knows because he plays with probably the best WR tandem in the leaguem while Berrian was playing with Muhammed and no namers. |
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I think Berrian's problem has been more a result of bad QB play than anything else. Put him with an above average QB, and I think he has the potential to be a pro bowler. |
Are you aware of the WR talent in this league.......pro bowl, he won't even crack the top 20 and that's with everything being perfect.
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What a coinkinkydink i have Bears buddies and they love him. BJ had a shot to shine in the 2 years before Fitz and didnt do squat while Boldin was lighting it up. You'd think a "prize" wr would take advantage of the one on ones. I like how you leave out the fact that Berrian was catching passes from downright awful qbs. :shake: If you said you prefer BJ over Berrian...cool, but lets not make shit up about a guy you know nothing about or better yet, "my buddy hates him". ROFL |
"Look at his stats Look at his stats" What guys were 5 years ago really isn't that important..
Johnson brings more of a total package that is why I prefer him. I could list 25 WR's I'd rather have than Berrian pretty easy, if you want a speed guy that's fine just don't overpay for him or find one that is more than just that. |
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What did i say about stats? The guy didnt do shit while Boldin was lighting it up. Youre the one who was using the excuse about him being "trapped behind all stars". :doh!: Again with the "just a speed guy", it painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about the guy and we'll just leave it at that. :thumb: |
Ok I wasn't going to do this, but seeing as you think you are informed....
http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjoh...e?id=JOH086211 http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardbe...e?id=BER454540 Lets see Johnson is a year younger..his physical tools are better...and I won't even get into those stats and projects if Johnson actually started 16 games. |
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All i see is a WR (BB) who has gotten better every year and a WR who's best year came while being a #3. What exactly am i looking at here? Are you trying to prove ME right? ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL You were just crying about "stats stats stats" and now you try to use them to "prove" something but wind up looking even more silly in the process?!? |
Justin Gage would be an excellent FA addition.
He won't be as big a target as Berrian or Johnson and will be more affordable. |
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Gage is NOT slow. 4.43? Is he the burner that we need? No, but this guy is under the radar, undervalued, about to break out, and any team would dumb not to try, and get this guy at the price he's gonna be had for. He's a guy you want on the field on third down. He makes plays. |
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Especially considering what we lack in pass-catching talent. |
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With all the turds we have at receiver after Bowe, I'd be thrilled with any FA signing.
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I might also considering drafting a Wide Receiver in the Middle Rounds though. Depends on what happens with Samie Parker. I wouldn't mind seeing him resigned. But there's always Webb... Hopefully he'll improve and really take a big step this season. |
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Having a big target is always nice for a young qb to work with....sign him up.:thumb: |
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(prefer the rook.) Webb=4th wr IMO. |
Bryant Johnson would be much better for this team. Hes a year younger, has 1 more year of experince than Berrien, and is a big physical reciever that fits this offense. He had crappy QB's and better WR's ahead of him most of his career, but we still aren't asking for him to be our #1. Hes been my favorite WR in FA the whole time, and looking at those stats he looks like a fine #2 reciever. If we want a speed guy that doesn't have the best hands we would resign Samie Parker.
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