Looking at it now, McFadden is the only guy we really don't want
 

you look at the top guys and we can use most of them


Chris long, Vernon Gholston - adding another impact DE can really be a game changer on defense

Dorsey, Ellis - a stud DT can also really impact your whole defense.

Jake Long - upgrade at OT is probably our biggest need.

Matt Ryan - we haven't had a franchise QB since Lenny

McFadden - meh ... he might be great but we can't afford to spend more on RB right now.


so GOOOOOOO McFadden!!

i hope he is top 4 pick so it gives us more options.

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if thats the way it falls.. I would rather have McFadden than the next best available...

it would suck if it fell like that... and if it did, we should be looking to trade down.. but if we can't... you gotta take him.. IMO

I don't think Matt Ryan will go in the top 5. Atlanta will take McFadden before they Matt Ryan, any team in their right mind would do the same.

didn't see that... replace Ryan with Gholston.. then I'll restate my earlier argument that we would have to take McFadden

I don't want us to draft McFadden.

If we add Chris Long or Vernon Gholston it would do more for entertainment value on gameday than any other of the picks. Defensive Line Gholston, Hali ,Tank, Turk, Allen..... HELL YES!!!!!!!

I don't want Gholston or Chris Long either.
We can't spend a Top 5 pick on backups.

NEITHER would be backups, dipwad.

Bullshit.

You have one DE who is one bad move away from being suspended for the year.

Tamba is far from a sure thing at DE.

Gholston or Long would immediately become huge parts of the pass rush for the Chiefs.

I'm really getting a little sick of the Gholston is a back-up comment because it isn't true. He would START for the Chiefs or any other team for that matter.
Back-up?? That's laughable.

I think since we've sucked for so long and the franchise is working with a definite handicap in the first place (Peterson) it's only fair we get the first 5 picks in the draft.

I'd take McFadden if we could trade LJ's punk ass somewhere else.

I would be fine with that.. Hopefully we could trade him then if we actually drafted him to someone who needs him more..

imo.......

If we drafted him, the teams that thought he would fall after us we be ****ed and panic.. Then trade us their 1st and next years 1st plus a 2nd or 3rd pick in this years draft.. If Macfadden is all that it should happen.. hopefully

**** Matt Ryan. No.


This guy will NOT be a Franchise QB. I would bet my house on it.

OR, we could take him, move Donnie Edwards inside, let Nap Harris ride pine, and let Gholston play OLB. He's not ideally an OLB in a Cover 2, but you could find ways to utilize him. His ability on the field would make it easy.

Gholston blitzing from Jared Allen's side = sack for Tamba Hali.

That's just ONE way to use him.

To think that Long or Gholston would sit behind Tamba Hali is laughable.

:stupid: I'll bet your house on it too!

Just because he's the best QB in this shitty class of QBs doesn't mean he'll be a FC QB.

This guy has Alex Smith written all over him.

He's gonna be rich, and that's about it.

we've already paid LJ ...... he's not going anywhere.

Insightful.

Care to explain where either of them would start?
Surely you aren't suggesting that Jared Allen would be supplanted by either are you?
There's always Tamba Hali's spot. Rob one First Round Peter to play another First Round Paul.
Makes sense. Or we could move one either Gholston or Long inside... Let them play something other than their natural position. Or we could always create a special spot for one of them to find a way to get them on the field. Or I suppose we could trade Jared Allen. He could've been had last season for a 1st and a 3rd and no one budged, but surely we'll find someone willing to give up two #1's.

You might wanna hold off on the namecalling.
Especially on the kind that calls someone else's intelligence into question.

The same DE the Chiefs just gave 9 million dollars to.
They're uber-concerned about that possibility.
So spend a Top 5 pick on an insurance policy.
It'll work out great in the event that Allen stays clean.

But Gholston and Chris "I haven't played a down in the NFL" Long are?

Gholston will come in and immediate replace Hali as a starter?
Is that what you're suggesting?

Exactly.

This Madden '08 school of General Management is hilarious.

why do we take him for at least 18-20 million to be on the bench. We are also paying LJ that kind of money. We cannot tie up that much into 1 position.

Hush up with all your "sensible" GM talk.

Then why why are you here? Since this is a site to discuss and give opinions on football and other general topics from fellow posters

I'm here to hopefully raise the level of those discussions.
You cannot draft a DE with a Top 5 pick who will not come into your organization and start. Especially when there are clear cut options for obtaining a MUCH cheaper (and likely more productive) #3 DE in Free Agency.

You put that #5 pick to better use.
Get a Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey to complement your two bookend DE's.

The Ghoston pick could also be a contingency plan if Jared Allen leaves if Gholston is the BPA at the 5 spot .

None of us know now where Jared Allen is going to end up.
The Chiefs are working to get him signed long term.
You can't draft an insurance policy at #5 overall...

Round Two or Three? Certainly...
Or you could always sign LaBoy, Odom or McCray and you'd have a young competent replacement there on the chance that Allen jets. Coupled with your #5 pick at another spot.

Knowing King Carl, Allen might bolt and we're fuckED if he's the BPA when we pick then take him. Which would mean Ellis,Dorsey,and Chris Long are off the board

Gotta go with one of the DTs in that situation.

Nobody is dumb enough to let JA leave this place. Not even Carl........well.

Fullback in round 1

Book it.

"cough cough" jake long "cough cough"

Sorry Woody, but we're taking you guys FB.
He's gonna return kicks too.

Allen's not going anywhere until the end of next season worst-case scenario.
And to franchise him in 2008, only to draft another DE you'll pay more money to, and let Allen walk is as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard.

I haven't been paying attention, how did Matt Ryan do in the combine?

Is he really top 5 material?

They would basically have to give Gholston very little less than what they would have to pay JA, and he's never played a down.

Alex Smith, no, no David Carr, so I guess ummm......yea.

I hate admitting that I agree with you.

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exactly, and knowing King Carl he'll have a backup plan (See LJ). Like I said if Gholston is the BPA you select him. Kinda of like the NY Giant's motto " you can never have enough good DL"

How bout we just don't draft Gholston, if we don't want him at DE and we are not changing to a 3-4 he is not a good fit for our team.

????

wtf r u talking about?

like Mathias Kiwanuka?

Yeah that guy... The one the Giants took 32nd overall.
:rolleyes:

that was their 1st pick originally they were gonna pick Hali, bu KC snagged him and they decided to trade down from the 24th spot

Point being... Kiwanuka was taken dead last in the First Round.
That's quite a bit different from 5th overall.

And I think we keep glossing over the fact that the Giants have much better help on the interior of their Defensive Line. Something I'd like to see us have here in Kansas City to complement two solid pass-rushing DE's. We can't do it all from the outside.

I'd much rather have Ellis or Dorsey than Gholston or C. Long.

Who do the Giants have at DT?

fwiw the 9 million the chiefs whacked on JA at this point isn't guaranteed.

I don't think this guy is the real woody paige

Jones is like Gretz and the entire Chiefs front office, you just can't think outside of the box because you just see immediate NEED-welcome to bustville. Jake Long will be gone, then what is the team going to do? REACH for NEED. Genius plan for the future.

Jake Long or bust, right? What are you going to do when the Rams pick him?