Imagine the melt down on the board if this shakes out like this guy thinks.
 

<table class="bgBdr" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bgD"><td align="center">5.</td> <td align="center">Chiefs</td> <td align="center">Matt Ryan</td> <td align="center">QB</td> <td align="center">6-4</td> <td align="center">228</td> <td align="center">Boston College</td> <td align="center">Senior</td> </tr> <tr class="bgC"> <td colspan="9"> http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/.../Medium/12.gif Personally, I don't think Matt Ryan is the best QB in the draft. I believe Brian Brohm is the best and safest QB selection in the draft. With that said, the Chiefs front office has strong ties to the Philadelphia and Northeast region and have studied Ryan's game significantly. Kansas City has other needs and could grab Dorsey at this pick, but Ryan is favored by the front office and will give incumbent QB Brodie Croyle competition.
Previous mock draft selection: Brian Brohm
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I will ****in shoot myself if we use this pick on the next Alex smith.

:shrug: You can't win a championship without a QB. The league is more QB centric than it has ever been. I won't be angry if they take a shot at someone they think can be the guy.

I'm sick of all the 'safe' picks and trade downs and defensive line busts. Why keep doing things the same way as we always have? It obviously doesn't work.

If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you've always got.

Me too, where would you like to be shot ?

Before you shoot him, file the bullet point off so it is square and hurts more...


:D

The Canary Islands.

I can't believe you guys want this bust to be.

I have watched Ryan play, and I don't think he is good enough for a top 5 pick. I don't think he is as good as some people think. I can honestly say though that I have not studied any of his tapes, so I am not an expert on him, but for a top 5 pick I'll pass.

No, we really couldn't use a franchise QB.

He's the best shitty QB, in a shitty QB class.

They are always overrated.

He is NOT a franchise QB.

I think he is.

I would be pissed! This is a shitty draft year for QB's. ****, we don't really even know what we have in Croyle, they need to fix the O line and then see if we need a QB. If he sucks then the priority goes to QB next year.

Ahhh the beauty of conflicting opinions.

I don't think he compares to some of the pocket passers that have come around. He is not a franchise QB IMO. I agree with Beachtribe it's a crappy QB class.

If you think this year's crop of QBs sucks, you really aren't going to like next year. Besides, Croyle will never make it through next season anyway.

In the year Twothousaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand.

You thought Troy Smith was good.

I agree next year is not looking like a bumper crop either, but Ryan at 5 is a reach, and I don't want to reach because next year might be worse for QB's.

Passing on Gholston and Dorsey would burn me but at the end of the day I'd be perfectly fine Ryan. This team needs a quality QB to build around and Ryan fits the bill better than Croyle or any of the other QBs in the draft. IMO Ryan can be a franchise QB and Croyle will never come close.

REP Cochise! a very VALID point

So what if Atlanta picks him?

The Chiefs go with Brohm or Flacco?

It would be just like Herm and Carl to, again, ignore the greatest need on this team.

gamesetmatch

Actually, it's just like Carl to reach for it.

Thank You. Chiefs are not going anywhere for a few years anyways. Might as well start from the ground up.

IMO A pick like Ryan would signal a major change in philosophy at Arrowhead. Carl would never take a risk like drafting a QB this high and going into the offseason I figured Herm would stick with Croyle come hell or high water since Croyle is his guy. Now I'm not so sure.

Bottom line there are 6 or 7 guys that I will be damn glad to have at #5 and a case can be made for everyone of them. This team need talent everywhere. Barring a major reach in round one I don't see how anyone can be outraged.

It'll be just like Carl to draft an O-line position; I thought we were talking about a quarter back?

Yes, picking Ryan, even in the proper circumstances, would require balls that Peterson doesn't have.

LMAO

Good point.

I'm open to opinions on Ryan, and I trust the opinion of Mike Mayock more than any fanboy on any internet forum. He grades him very highly, so this pick is fine in my eyes.

A couple of weeks ago, on ESPN Herm Edwards said that Brodie is going to be our starting QB. If not then he is a lier. Herm Edwards does not lie. HE telleth the truth.

I don't see Carl doing it. We know what he thinks of QBs. If football teams are cars, he thinks the QB is the gas cap. He thinks you win with Steve Deberg, Dave Kreig, a Montana who was long past his prime, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, Damon Huard... hell someone will probably have to hogtie him from bringing in pennington or mcnabb. The only reason we've ever had good QB play here in my lifetime was because Vermeil convinced him to bring in Green, right?

Carl doesn't think the QB position is worth anything. This explains continued failure since it's the most important position in football and is getting even more important by the year as the rules continue to get tougher on DBs and more protective of QBs and receivers.

We know Carl thinks QBs are an afterthought because he keeps bringing in veteran castoffs who are known sucky quantites. He doesn't see QBs as being able to lead teams or win games for them. He sees them as mistakes waiting to happen - so get someone who sucks, but won't drop the ball or throw too many interceptions.

I can't see Carl spending a pick this high on a QB. I could see him trading down to the middle of the first round and trying to get Brohm, maybe. I could see him picking another QB later in the draft. But I don't think he's willing to take a big risk on a position he doesn't value all that much.

I wouldn't mind them taking Ryan if they think he can be the guy.
We need to make a serious commitment to the QB position if we're going to become a championship team in the near future.

What did he think about Alex Smith?

So some of you want a "risk" pick NOW? We have a top 5 pick for the first time in a long long time, and NOW you want the franchise to take a risk with it?

On a QB that has been highly questioned by many scouts? Including the author of the article..

Wow.... sounds like we're desperate for a Brady/Manning clone...

Why gamble on a maybe when there will be guys there that carry much much less risk?

I am going to have to revise my thinking...Brock and I agree on something.

Taking Ryan would not bother me one bit.

Yeah, who wants a Brady/Manning clone. Franchise QBs are for losers.

I'd prefer to stick with Brodie this year, see how he does in year two with at least a somewhat rebuilt line in front of him. If that doesn't work trade/draft a guy high. It's not like we'll be out of the top ten picks next year.

Just doesn't seem smart to me to spend a ton on a QB that you didn't bother to protect. Younger guys need more time find the open man and make the completion. Better have a good line and someone to throw to in front of them...

Because high risks sometimes bring huge rewards? Peyton Manning himself wasn't a lead pipe lock to be a success.

I haven't been paying close attention to the KC fan opinion of Brodie Croyle. Apparently people have pretty much universally given up on him?

I haven't "given up on" him. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me adjust my draft strategy.

Cochise summed up my thoughts on this. This is a QB league more than ever, and a franchise guy at the position can completely change the dynamics of the team.

It would definitely be a gamble, but it's a gamble that could pay off big.

And you propose to go about that by abandoning the commitment to the current QBOTF prospect, who we still haven't fully evaluated?

Serious commitment means half a season of starts behind a crap OLine?

Exactly. Everyone wants to act like Peyton was this no-risk prospect when he came out, but in reality most people thought Leaf should have been the #1 pick.

Peyton had the stigma of a choker that folded in the clutch, since he lost to Florida every year and never took UT to the NC game.

My sentiments exactly.

Sad to say, but Croyle really didn't do anything to deserve evaluation beyond this upcoming season. Which he probably won't survive anyway.

That's true however, I am fairly confident Peyton wouldn't be successful in any season where he took 55 sacks and the offense only ran for 79 yards per game.

Something I've learned in the last few years of observing (watching the Broncos juggle) the quarterback position: teams don't spend a lot of money protecting a third round quarterback. Third round quarterbacks either sink or swim. Teams don't seem to be willing to invest a lot of money protecting a third round quarterback because they don't have a lot invested in them. It's not much of a priority.

First round quarterbacks, on the other hand seem to get protection. Teams have a lot more invested in them, and put a higher priority on finding them adequate protection.

I wouldn't say universally. Croyle still has a good sized bandwagon; I'm just not on it. IMO he is too small and too fragile. The only glimmer of hope I saw was against Miami in the preseason and I saw nothing after that game to make me believe he is our future. Most young QB will flash that potential even on bad teams and never saw that with Croyle.

I could be wrong and I hope I am but I wouldn't pass on Ryan because Croyle is here that's for sure.

So we should gamble on a QB just because he's (questionably) at the top of a poor QB draft class?

When the guy who wrote the article says right away that he doesn't even think Ryan is the best QB in the class?

Wanting a franchise QB is one thing..... taking this big of a gamble on a guy like this is another....

Even smart people are wrong once in a while.

Personally, I didn't think it was a great idea to start Croyle this last year at all. I think he needed another full year of sideline development. I think you're going to see a better quarterback this year in the guy -- unless his confidence is shot from being put out there too early.

One thing I'd note: it wouldn't hurt you guys to put another young buck on the team. I sure wouldn't want to ride all my hopes on Croyle. And look at the San Diego situation. They went from having nothing to having two capable guys to choose from. That would be a good situation for KC to put themselves in. Competition did nothing but make Drew Brees a better quarterback. I very much favor a competitive situation over just "knighting" a guy and hoping it all works out. But the modern NFL makes that hard to do at the QB position.

It's big of you to admit it. :)

Do it Carl.

100% correct but... if you draft a guy as the 5th pick in the first you had better plan on sticking with him b/c hes going to come with a hefty price tag.

Touche.

I'm going to throw down the "Matt Ryan isn't worth the 5 pick" opinion for posterity's sake. That way if I'm right I can browbeat people with it and if I'm wrong, eh, you get what you pay for.

this is where ignorance is bliss :)

i deliberately don't scout/track/analyze these guys anymore so i don't know enough to get pissed and stressed anymore.





it's nice :D

What about the 1997 Orange Bowl against Nebraska?:hmmm:
Had Tennessee won they may have shared with Michigan.

BTW the Huskers would have destroyed Michigan but that's another argument for another day.

I've got no idea, nor do I have any idea what the obsession with Alex Smith is around here.

Ryan is nothing like Alex Smith. He might suck, but it won't be because he's remotely like Alex Smith as a QB.

I don't care to have him, I was just thinking a free opportunity to shoot someone.

None of these people know anything about him either. You could have read a hundred articles about Tim Couch being the real deal or how a million successful QBs didn't have what it takes.

If we don't take him, he'll go 6, 7, 8 something in that range. Many other teams would pick him there. So I guess every team is stupid. Only some guy reading free articles on NFL draft countdown knows what's best... :rolleyes:

:clap:

I feel ya.

I would rather try to trade for Brady Quinn than Ryan.

Of course you do realize that Brady was a what, 6th round pick? You give most any QB good time and talent around him, he will respond and do well. But if he doesn't have that around him you better pray he is Favre if you expect him to succeed and not wind up a shellshocked husk of what you drafted.

There are not very many Favre's in the world.

What would you be willing to trade for Brady Quinn?

Bob Dole would rather give Croyle a season, and if he sucks as bd as people are predicting, draft Tebo with the first pick overall in 2009.

Why do we hate Matt Ryan again? I dont want to use the 5th on him, but that is because I want to make sure Brodie is a bust frist. So, why is it we hate everything about Matt Ryan? I need to know so I can get into the club. Thanks!

OH!!!!! Nice. I like your thinking Bob Dole, and I am sorry you cant use your right hand.

I know some people around here don't care much for this guy, but he put up pretty good numbers and had NO ONE to help. I think the guy is a stud. He'd be my 5th choice at the #5 spot.

That's a great point TJ and I think the Chiefs will take another QB in this draft. I don't think it will (or should be) at #5. Financially, doing so would be giving up on Croyle. As others have said, we jsut don't know enough to know if he's the guy or not yet.

Dave, you are confusing me now. I want to hate him, I just need to know why.

In the 2nd, yes.

I would give our second round pick for him.

I'm not against going with a tackle or whomever else and giving Croyle another year. I just don't see why we have to melt down if we take a QB.

Its OK. We'll likely have a top 5 pick next season.

LMAO Quinn isn't going anywhere.

Why do we even care anymore? I mean seriously. Carl will find a way to screw everything up anyway. Why get all invested in the Chiefs draft.