Does nobody care that Bill Kuharich was on with Soren Petro today?
 

I thought it was very interesting some of the things he said.

He said the draft was VERY deep this year, especially at CB and OT, and he thought that unlike some years sure-fire starters could go VERY late. In fact, in reference to CB's, he said if the "run" didn't start until the late 1st round, there might be starting-caliber CB's available in the FOURTH round.

He also said, in so many words, that at DT there was Dorsey and Ellis and then everybody else. He said the gap between Jake Long and the next tier was alot less drastic than the gap between Dorsey and Ellis and the next tier.

Wow.

IIRC, there were a few of us here making that EXACT SAME POINT for the past 2 months.

Music to my ears.

Thanks for the info.... quite interesting....

So, does that mean if we don't take Jake Long or Trevor Laws our whole draft is not wasted?

Clark said we're drafting OL. /findthehootie

So says the man who gave up an entire draft for Ricky Williams.

I take it you missed the relevance.

FYP

It doesn't really matter. It wasn't the point of this thread.

So there is hope.

It's good to hear that someone inside the organization actually is looking at the value of the players at the top of the draft. Maybe Carl really is being shown the door as GM-one can only pray.

Yeah, he specifically said that you HAVE to take the BPA. He said it's great if the BPA on your board at the time you pick also fills a need, but that reaching for a need is bad.

if that's a pickup line, I'm falling for it.....oh baby...

Sounds like what me and a few others have been saying for a long long time now.

This place is going to go ballistic when they take Ryan or McFadden.

It's going to go ballistic no matter what.

It will be glorious.


And really, can we botch the fifth pick overall? Surely they're not dumb enough to take Clady or Otah, right?

Ryan, I doubt it.

He's not anybody's first choice really, but it's hard to fault the team if they decide to try and improve the most important position on the field.

McFadden will probably be a different story, considering the amount of money we gave to LJ.

For me, I'm past that point. As long as the Chiefs don't trade down, there's very few guys that they might draft at #5 that would honestly upset me. I just don't care enough anymore. Maybe Ryan Clady.

ROFL

:thumb:

I'm for whatever pick ends up cleaning house at the end of the season. If it's Dorsey with a busted fibula then god-bless.

LOL What?

Add me to this group.

Picking 5th guarantees that at least ONE of the following will be available:

Gholston
Ellis
Dorsey
C. Long
J. Long

And if Ryan and/or McFadden comes off the board early, it gives us OPTIONS.

I'm telling you, the Falcons are going to take McFadden or they'll trade with someone that does want him.

Ellis is the guy I think they're locking in on. JMO at this point, could change.

You could very well be right. They've talked about Dorsey an awful lot, so it could be a red herring.

Of course, at the very beginning of the interview, Soren relayed to Kuharich the story about him asking Carl what he'd do if he had the #1 overall pick.

Kuharich was genuinely aghast that Carl said Dorsey without hesitation. It was pretty hilarious. I don't know if he was more surprised that Carl openly talked about a player they'd been discussing, or just the fact that Carl didn't give his typical BS cloak and dagger answer...

Good to know Kuharich has a monopoly on all that is real and true about this year's Draft class.

:rolleyes:

He doesn't anymore.

You missed the point.

Which was what? That the draft is deep at certain positions?
Tell me something I don't know Bill.

:D

If your stomach can handle it, head over to the Draft forum.

In case you don't want to deal with that, I'll give you the basic premise.

A) We were told that the Chiefs were targetting Jake Long because guys like Chuck Cook, Bill Kuharich, etc. said so. We were told that the Chiefs brass were the best source of info, and suggestions that they might be throwing up smokescreens were scoffed at.

B) We were then told that Trevor Laws is a Sedrick Ellis clone.

C) Interestingly enough, Bill Kuharich, who was previously established as a reliable source of information says definitively that Sedrick Ellis and Glenn Dorsey are in a class by themselves.

So either A is false, or B is false. By the very nature of C, they cannot both be true.

Wish I could have heard that.

Did he happen to say if they would take a look at Laws with the #5 pick?

ROFL

He was pretty specific.

Starting OT and CB prospects would be available later, while starting DT's would not.

ROFLROFLROFL

I'll pass on that one. I've got so much Draft information in my head already it just might explode if I start skimming through the Draft forum.

a virtual donkey punch to findthecoathanger

I'm sure he'll be over there later trading every last bit of dignity he has for the idea that this bit from Kuharich should be ignored.

"Blah blah blah - Chuck Cook - blah blah blah - Carl Peterson - blah"

Later?

Try an hour ago.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=88

OMG

http://images.despair.com/products/d...umiliation.jpg

While I'd like to have Jake Long be there when we draft, if it ends up being Sedrick Ellis, I would still be very happy because the guy is a special talent.

If you watched him during the Senior bowl he clearly showed he was in a class by himself and living here in Lincoln, I clearly remember him shoving our O-linemen on their buts like they were 50 lbs on his way to the QB... I mean it's the type of play you might see in high school if one guy is simply that much bigger than the other.

He's freaky.

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO.

I just don't necessarily believe in taking the BPA, especially when your whole team is in a rebuilding mode where there are holes in 11 spots on this starting quad. Possibly 12 if Croyle doesn't pan out. We still need.....

2 CB
1 DT
1 WR
2 OG
2 OT
2 LB
1 K

As far as FA goes, if we want to at least be competitive and show improvement, the Oline has to get better. Jake Scott, Flozell Adams, Ryan Lilja should all be on the Chiefs FA radar. This is the most important aspect of this team if we want to give Croyle a chance to get better. This is the most important and we need players that have already established themselves in the NFL. The 3 Olineman mentioned above are just that. Spending our first rd pick on Jake Long makes the most sense to solidify that position for 13 years to come.

The next we should look at in FA is the WR position. Kennison just got released, who was our 2nd best WR behind DBowe. Now our WR corp consists of Bowe, Webb, Sippio, and Parker. Once again if Croyle wants to improve we need more talent for him to throw to. Outside of Bowe, I don't see any of our WR's cracking the top 3 WR's on most teams in the NFL. This is an area that desperately needs to improve on talent. FA wise the players that should be on KC's radar are Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, and Bryant Johnson. I also wouldn't mind drafting one in the 3rd rd. All of our WR's are shit.

Must sign K Josh Brown, nuff said. He can kick in batshit conditions. We need him plain and simple.

I would love for the first day to go something like this. (assuming we don't trade up or down in the draft)

2008
1. OT Jake Long
2. OG Branden Albert
3. WR Jordy Nelson

Add a few FA's in the mix WR Bryant Johnson K Josh Brown, OG Jake Scott
There will always be a few rookie FA's who will contribute.

2009
1. LB James Laurinaitis
2. WR Jeremy Maclin
3. ????

DT Tommie Harris is available in 2009 as he's a UFA. He's the best DT in the NFL and the Chiefs should STRONGLY look at getting him, the Chiefs should be able to afford it.


The Chiefs won't be even considered competitive I believe until 2009. This starting roster would look nice come 2009.

QB - Croyle
RB - LJ
TE - Gonzo
WR - Bowe
WR - Johnson
WR - Nelson
OT - Long
OT - McIntosh
OG - Albert
OG - Scott
C - Waters

DE - Allen
DE - Hali
DT - Harris
DT - Boone
LB - DJ
LB - Laurinaitis
LB - Edwards
CB - Surtain
CB - Brackenridge
FS - Page
SS - Pollard

K - Brown
P - Colquitt
KR - Maclin

You need put the bottle of findthedouche down and get into rehab quickly.

Couldn't agree more.

I'd like to see us sign either Gay or Florence and draft a Corner on Day 1.

Sedrick Ellis would fit in quite nicely if Jake Long's off the board.

Hello Bryant Johnson.

Jacob Bell, Justin Smiley, or Jake Scott and maybe a Drew Radovich in April?

I think we can get by with just drafting Long.
McIntosh will remain a starter by default and we do have a couple RT options going into the future (Herb Taylor and maybe Svitek if he's resigned).

Wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs draft a MLB and an OLB in April.

Hello Josh Brown.

Parker's an unrestricted free agent not expected to be resigned.
We're down to just those 3. We're in dire straits at that position.
Must have help... I wouldn't mind a Wide Receiver in both Free Agency and the Draft.

Crayton resigned with Dallas if I'm not mistaken...
Berrian just turned down 5 million dollars a year in Chi-town...
Johnson's our best bet and he's not going to be cheap as he'll be the best Free Agent Wide Receiver available not named Randy Moss. We may have to cross our fingers and sign a guy like Devery Henderson.

Here's what I'd like to see happen...

2008
1. OT Jake Long
2. CB Patrick Lee
3. WR Early Doucet

If one was a smokescreen, why would the other not be.

Tell the truth, then send smoke, or send smoke, then tell the truth.

OOOOOOOOOOR maybe, just maybe it's all smoke.

Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".

Is there a podcast.


RE: first round DEs.

It seems to me the giants were drafting top shelf DEs when they arleady had 2 great ones, and it worked out pretty damn well for them.


I want Jake Long I think, but I sure won't freak out. There are very, very few positions on the roster that can't be improved.

Lilja and Flozell Adams are off the market. Both re-signed with their teams.

Dorsey or Ellis will have me jumping for joy. Long isn't going to piss me off, but if we go QB I pray we drop down to Brohm-land instead of settling on Ryan.

Jimmy Ace!

True.

But at the same time we don't want to be the Tardinals or Lions drafting a WR almost every year.

We've been chasing the dragon at DT since...Hell, forever.

We've got squat on the Offensive line, one valid WR, and one valid CB.

I think we should take a guy who's going to start full time or trade down to get enough picks to fill as many holes as possible.

On top of that Hali is too early in his contract and produced too little to trade.

I predict this will get bumped in a few weeks.

There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that...

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players"

I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.

They'll continue to argue.....

Just like the argument that Gholston would be a backup or situational player.

tell the New England Patriots that.

Totally agree. Unless both Dorsey and Ellis go in the first four picks, one of them will be wearing red. :clap:

Herm understands that you build D front-to-back...and also that strong D's are strong in the middle (usually, the Giants are an exception it seems)

we are weak at DT and MLB and have been for a damn decade....Ellis/Dorsey solve that problem...and I think Herm knows it....

Don't forget we will have the number one overall next year...

There really wasn't any "round about" about it.

He said that there were really only 2 sure-fire starting DT's in this draft. He even specifically compared the lack of depth at the DT position to the presence of depth at OT.

And he said that if the run on CB's should start late (aka 2nd round) that starting-caliber CB's might be available as late as the FOURTH...

If jake is on the board he will be a Chief.

I will be thrilled if we get Ellis/Dorsey, BUT if I really wanted J.Long I would be saying the same things he did, to sell the other teams on the two DTs, and OT depth, in essence increasing the chances of landing him.

I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.

Also selling the depth at CB so that maybe some teams hold off on the top guys. S M O K E.

"Hey everybody this is exactly how we see it."

Truth, and honesty aren't always the same thing.

There's nothing to sell.

The depth at OT and CB, and the lack of depth at DT, are WIDELY-HELD opinions. Just about every scout, draftnik, and fan the follows the draft knows it.

The Truth is what is being sold. It helps their cause to do so.

Um every single team in the draft thinks what he said....

Any fool that takes 5 minutes to look at each position in the draft realizes what he said is a spot on evaluation.

Then I guess this thread is completely worthless since everyone already knows all this shit.

Wait a minute. I just reread the thread starting post, and it has been edited. Some things deleted.

Wrong. I am a dumbass. This is the post i was refering to. Sorry.

From an information standpoint, yeah it's worthless. :D

BPA is the word to follow, if only Carl had learned that years ago.