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Armory 03-26-2008 10:46 AM

Kris Wilson visiting Eagles today
 
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ne...story_id=15257

They are holding a press conference today, so in Eagles terms that usually means they are going to sign him.

I heard he was not productive at TE but did okay at HB/FB. Could you guys inform me on what type of player he is?

beach tribe 03-26-2008 10:49 AM

Don't let the secret weapon fall into the wrong hands!!

pikesome 03-26-2008 10:49 AM

It's a secret.

The Poz 03-26-2008 10:50 AM

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...l-with-eagles/

Thought he had potential but buried behind Tony G. Didn't do much at all as a FB. Can be a threat catching on the screen but you've Westbrook to do that.

Deberg_1990 03-26-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armory (Post 4650341)
I heard he was not productive at TE but did okay at HB/FB. Could you guys inform me on what type of player he is?

Classic tweener. Which means hes OK at alot of things, but doesnt do any one thing particularly well.

His name gets people fired up around here beause he was a reach for us in the 2nd round.

pikesome 03-26-2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4650361)
Classic tweener. Which means hes OK at alot of things, but doesnt do any one thing particularly well.

His name gets people fired up around here beause he was a reach for us in the 2nd round.

Some get fired up because he didn't amount to crap here.

Although that might not be Wilson's fault, the Chiefs never did seem to have a clear vision on how to use him. Maybe that's because he can't do anything well enough or maybe not.

stlchiefs 03-26-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4650361)
Classic tweener. Which means hes OK at alot of things, but doesnt do any one thing particularly well.

His name gets people fired up around here beause he was a reach for us in the 2nd round.

and because he was over-hyped or under-utilized depending on if you're talking to fans or coaches. The guy was talked up to be an unstoppable weapon who couldn't be covered by LBs and was too big for CBs. In the end he never found a position or rhythm that enabled him to be worth much more than a Chiefs Planet conversation every few months.

chasedude 03-26-2008 10:58 AM

Two threads for Wilson, he isn't worth it.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-26-2008 10:59 AM

He's so ****ing worthless that a 4 and 12 team wouldn't even resign him!!!! What does that tell ya.

Rain Man 03-26-2008 11:00 AM

If he was productive at FB, we would have kept him, because we don't have a fullback. I can't say that he did anything bad, but he never did anything good, either.

SBK 03-26-2008 11:03 AM

We called him Bigfoot, and it wasn't referring to his feet.

Brock 03-26-2008 11:03 AM

He'll probably end up being better than L. J. Smith.

Armory 03-26-2008 11:03 AM

Thought he had potential but buried behind Tony G. Didn't do much at all as a FB. Can be a threat catching on the screen but you've Westbrook to do that.[/QUOTE]

The Eagles are screen happy. They run more screen plays than normal plays.

I'm guessing if he was a real untapped talent, then teams would have been after him once free agency started.

markk 03-26-2008 11:05 AM

not good at fullback. struggled to get open at tight end. problems with hands at times. he was basically invisible his entire 3 or 4 years here. on a good team this is a guy who would only be playing on kicks

pikesome 03-26-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Armory (Post 4650394)
Thought he had potential but buried behind Tony G. Didn't do much at all as a FB. Can be a threat catching on the screen but you've Westbrook to do that.

Quote:

The Eagles are screen happy. They run more screen plays than normal plays.

I'm guessing if he was a real untapped talent, then teams would have been after him once free agency started.
Depends, it's easy to look at him a say "suck" but without Tony he might have got a shot to be a plain pass-catching TE. And he might have been good. The Chiefs just never had a spot for him in that role.

Rain Man 03-26-2008 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armory (Post 4650394)

The Eagles are screen happy. They run more screen plays than normal plays.

I'm guessing if he was a real untapped talent, then teams would have been after him once free agency started.

He may have gotten a raw deal here, because people were very annoyed that we spent a second-round pick on a tight end since we already had Gonzalez and Jason Dunn. He then went Bigfoot on the bench for a couple of years as expected, since there was no way he was going to see the field behind those guys.

They moved him to an H-back position a couple of seasons ago as an emergency when we lost two fullbacks for the year very early in the season. They then proclaimed him to be a fullback, and he blocked and occasionally split out wide as our "secret weapon". I always winced when we threw it to him because it seemed like it never worked. I don't know if he ran the routes wrong or if he was just unlucky, because my enduring memory is seeing him always running on the sidelines with the ball sailing several yards over his head.

Hopefully he'll get a fresh start and work out for Philadelphia. We never should have drafted him in the first place.

blueballs 03-26-2008 11:28 AM

LJ was working on a cammo line of clothing
where is the inspiration now

Demonpenz 03-26-2008 11:30 AM

He was supposed to be too big for CB's but to fast for LB's
But infact LB's could cover him especially quick ones. and he is too small to be a regular old school TE

The Franchise 03-26-2008 11:37 AM

If your QB can throw anything over 3 yards.....you'll never see him.

Armory 03-26-2008 11:44 AM

I am crossing my fingers in the hopes that he becomes an uber-talent on the level of a freddie mitchell :D

sedated 03-26-2008 11:50 AM

He was too crappy a blocker to be a true TE, so in all the Chief's brilliance they moved him to FB.

StcChief 03-26-2008 11:53 AM

Good luck, maybe his time has come (I doubt), but go ahead and print 'em.

suds79 03-26-2008 12:03 PM

Honestly Armory?

You would of been better off spending a 5th to 7th round pick to do whatever role Kris Wilson will do.

Younger guy, cheaper and about the same production.

Sorry.

jidar 03-26-2008 12:07 PM

Early on Wilson was known for having great hands, but lately he's had some drops.
He isn't much of a fullback.
I still think there is potential there but only for a creative offensive team which the Chiefs clearly aren't and have no intention of being.

blueballs 03-26-2008 12:11 PM

the genious that is Al Saunders drafted him
he's now in St Louis and Wilson didn't even visit there

ChiefHusker 03-26-2008 12:14 PM

WILSON AGREES TO DEAL WITH EAGLES<O:p

Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2008, 12:21 p.m. <O:p

As we expected, the announcement that free-agent tight end/fullback/H-back Kris <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pWilson</ST1:p</st1:City> is meeting with the Eagles soon will be followed by an announcement that he has agreed to terms.<O:p

Though the announcement has not yet been made, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that a deal is done for the former Chiefs draft pick, who was stuck for four years behind Tony Gonzalez. We’d previously heard that it will be a three-year contract.<O:p

We’ve also heard that <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pWilson</ST1:p</st1:City>’s primary position in Philly might end up being fullback, and that his choice of jersey numbers could reflect that.

In an unrelated development, Dan Klecko just yelled “oh sh-t” really loudly

Rain Man 03-26-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armory (Post 4650472)
I am crossing my fingers in the hopes that he becomes an uber-talent on the level of a freddie mitchell :D

His Chiefs career definitely outshined Freddie Mitchell's Chiefs career.

blueballs 03-26-2008 12:16 PM

perhaps Andy Reid is a cannibal

Kerberos 03-26-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefHusker (Post 4650519)
WILSON AGREES TO DEAL WITH EAGLES<O:p

Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2008, 12:21 p.m. <O:p

As we expected, the announcement that free-agent tight end/fullback/H-back Kris <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pWilson</ST1:p</st1:City> is meeting with the Eagles soon will be followed by an announcement that he has agreed to terms.<O:p

Though the announcement has not yet been made, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that a deal is done for the former Chiefs draft pick, who was stuck for four years behind Tony Gonzalez. We’d previously heard that it will be a three-year contract.<O:p

We’ve also heard that <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pWilson</ST1:p</st1:City>’s primary position in Philly might end up being fullback, and that his choice of jersey numbers could reflect that.

In an unrelated development, Dan Klecko just yelled “oh sh-t” really loudly

Bigfoot sighting in Philly.

alanm 03-26-2008 12:35 PM

He's not a FB nor really a TE. I guess the Chiefs envisioned him as a H Back but since Saunders left there was really no spot for him on the Chiefs. I suppose if you left him at TE he'd probably be decent but he's also not much of a blocker. Good luck in Philly Kris with being the secret weapon. :)

Frazod 03-26-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pikesome (Post 4650365)
Some get fired up because he didn't amount to crap here.

Although that might not be Wilson's fault, the Chiefs never did seem to have a clear vision on how to use him. Maybe that's because he can't do anything well enough or maybe not.

To be fair, we haven't had a clear vision of how to do a goddamn thing here for years. Except destroying the defense, and then destroying the offense. Bigfoot might end up being a Pro Bowl FB/TE/who knows??? when not coached by reeruns.

Yaaaaaaay Carl, Dick and Herm. :bang:

HemiEd 03-26-2008 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikesome (Post 4650410)
Depends, it's easy to look at him a say "suck" but without Tony he might have got a shot to be a plain pass-catching TE. And he might have been good. The Chiefs just never had a spot for him in that role.

Exactly, in 2006 he caught everything thrown his way. He pulled a Trent Green, poorly thrown TD catch absolutely inches off of the ground. You guys have seen it many times when Trent would over throw the ball and have it go straight to the ground.
He had no opportunities his first year, very few his second. But in 2006 he was turning into an offensive weapon, a threat. He had one drop of a catchable pass his first three years.
He did everything he was given a chance to do, very well, until Herm moved him. He clearly did not become a good FB in one season. Just another Herm ****up, that will end up doing well on another team. He should have never been drafted by the Chiefs, that is where the biggest mistake was made.

HemiEd 03-26-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 4650563)
To be fair, we haven't had a clear vision of how to do a goddamn thing here for years. Except destroying the defense, and then destroying the offense. Bigfoot might end up being a Pro Bowl FB/TE/who knows??? when not coached by reeruns.

Yaaaaaaay Carl, Dick and Herm. :bang:

for sure.

Deberg_1990 03-26-2008 01:07 PM

Quit making excuses for this guy. He had multiple chances to prove himself.

A turd is a turd.

El Jefe 03-26-2008 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 4650388)
If he was productive at FB, we would have kept him, because we don't have a fullback. I can't say that he did anything bad, but he never did anything good, either.


Oliver Hoyte is a FB.

Rain Man 03-26-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 4650621)
Oliver Hoyte is a FB.

Besides Oliver Hoyte, I mean.

el borracho 03-26-2008 01:19 PM

Wilson has good hands but is too short to be a real TE and too slow to be a WR. I actually thought he did ok at FB but that isn't really a position where a player can be brilliant, is it? We probably should have thrown to him more but our disaster of a line required too much help blocking and our unimaginative coaches didn't send him on many routes the last two years. All in all, he is a good (not great) blocker with great hands but average speed; he could probably be most helpful on 3rd downs.

El Jefe 03-26-2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 4650623)
Besides Oliver Hoyte, I mean.

Gotcha :thumb:

KCrockaholic 03-26-2008 02:11 PM

well, good luck in philly Kris

BigRock 03-26-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 4650593)
Exactly, in 2006 he caught everything thrown his way. He pulled a Trent Green, poorly thrown TD catch absolutely inches off of the ground. You guys have seen it many times when Trent would over throw the ball and have it go straight to the ground.
He had no opportunities his first year, very few his second. But in 2006 he was turning into an offensive weapon, a threat. He had one drop of a catchable pass his first three years.
He did everything he was given a chance to do, very well, until Herm moved him. He clearly did not become a good FB in one season. Just another Herm ****up, that will end up doing well on another team.

I can't believe someone seriously used the phrase "offensive weapon" in a thread about Kris Wilson, but just to clear things up, Wilson didn't do anything in 2006 until Herm moved him to fullback. Prior to that he had 3 catches for 18 yards on the season.

His wonderous 2006 season that you recall so fondly only happened because Herm moved him. Then you turn around and trash Herm for doing it.

stlchiefs 03-26-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 4650593)
Just another Herm ****up, that will end up doing well on another team.

I'm not sure I'd blame this on Herm. Wilson was a Chief for 4 years and never did much, Herm has only been here 2. Even with Al Saunders the Offensive guru at the helm Wilson didn't really do anything worthy of a 2nd round pick. I'm not Herm disciple, but I find it hard to pin this on Herm when he didn't draft Wilson and 2 coaching staffs have not been able to get the guy to produce up to his "potential".

the Talking Can 03-26-2008 03:01 PM

bye bye to a terrible waste of a 2nd round pick....

philfree 03-26-2008 03:04 PM

One thing that might have effected Wilson's production with the Chiefs is the fact that he broke his leg during a preseason game his rookie year.

PhilFree:arrow:

the Talking Can 03-26-2008 04:02 PM

or that he sucked

milkman 03-26-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 4650899)
bye bye to a terrible waste of a 2nd round pick....

Seems we have posts like this one annually.

the Talking Can 03-26-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4651069)
Seems we have posts like this one annually.

Bartee
Mitchell
Wilson
Siavii
Freeman
Cloud
Lockett

Pollard???
Turk??

our 2nd round picks are so terrible....you should be drafting starters and we've spent a decade drafting total and complete ****ing losers....

The Franchise 03-26-2008 05:06 PM

The Chiefs second round draft picks usually have me asking "WHO!??!?!" on draft day.

Rain Man 03-26-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 4651126)
Bartee
Mitchell
Wilson
Siavii
Freeman
Cloud
Lockett

Pollard???
Turk??

our 2nd round picks are so terrible....you should be drafting starters and we've spent a decade drafting total and complete ****ing losers....


I swear that it seems like we always take a flyer in the second round on a guy with great "measurables", and it never works out. Carl's never going to figure out that all football players are athletes, but not all athletes are football players.

the Talking Can 03-26-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 4651134)
I swear that it seems like we always take a flyer in the second round on a guy with great "measurables", and it never works out. Carl's never going to figure out that all football players are athletes, but not all athletes are football players.

the consistency with which we reach in the 2nd round is admirable....if you don't care about winning

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-26-2008 05:54 PM

Wilson wasn't a particularly good route runner, didn't have size, couldn't run away from anyone, and couldn't break tackles. He also wasn't a great blocker.

Other than that, great signing :thumb:

KCinNY 03-26-2008 07:18 PM

Carls last(only) decent 2nd round pick?

Tim Grunhard.......Tim Freaking Grunhard people!!!!!

Deberg_1990 03-26-2008 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 4651158)
the consistency with which we reach in the 2nd round is admirable....if you don't care about winning

It was mentioned a few weeks ago to me in another thread that Carl meddles alot more with 1st day draft picks. (obviously)


We do however do a decent job with 2nd day draft picks (lower round) guys. Thats where the scouts have more of a say in the process.


Let the results speak for themselves...

Jared Allen and Dante Hall were two nice lower round steals from the recent past.

milkman 03-26-2008 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4651383)
It was mentioned a few weeks ago to me in another thread that Carl meddles alot more with 1st day draft picks. (obviously)


We do however do a decent job with 2nd day draft picks (lower round) guys. Thats where the scouts have more of a say in the process.


Let the results speak for themselves...

Jared Allen and Dante Hall were two nice lower round steals from the recent past.

I think Carl makes the final decision in every round.

The problem is, he listens to the coaching staffon first day picks.

We've seen what a graet talent evaluator Gunt is.

the Talking Can 03-26-2008 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4651383)
It was mentioned a few weeks ago to me in another thread that Carl meddles alot more with 1st day draft picks. (obviously)


We do however do a decent job with 2nd day draft picks (lower round) guys. Thats where the scouts have more of a say in the process.


Let the results speak for themselves...

Jared Allen and Dante Hall were two nice lower round steals from the recent past.

agree, and I'm more concerned about this draft than ever...we have high round picks...we HAVE to capitalize on our 2nd and 3rd round picks....

there is no excuse for not pulling quality starters out of our first day picks...

Deberg_1990 03-26-2008 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 4651424)
agree, and I'm more concerned about this draft than ever...we have high round picks...we HAVE to capitalize on our 2nd and 3rd round picks....

there is no excuse for not pulling quality starters out of our first day picks...


I really hope the rumours are true of it being the Herm and Kuharich show now.

Soupnazi 03-26-2008 07:59 PM

Be sure and let us know if he ever breaks a tackle in Philly, cause it never happened here.


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