I Am Sorry Mr. Self
 

Dear Mr. Bill Self,

I did not like you very much. I said some things about you that I wish I would not have said. I mentioned that you couldn't coach in game and that you were only a great recruiter. After Bucknell and Bradley in consecutive years, I wanted you gone. I even made a white T-Shirt saying "I Hate My Self" after the Bradley game and wore it around town a couple of times. Frankly, I wanted you out of here.

I have just finished my dinner of burnt crow (shown below):
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Mr. Self, I hope you can accept my most sincere apology. If I could erase all the bad things I've said about you, I would. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but you deserved a full chance and I was impatient and didn't want to give you that chance. Once you got your team that you recruited 100%, you showed me what you are capable of.

The script for this could not have been written any better. We got to the Sweet 16, facing this year's cinderella with the hottest player out there at that time and it was a nail biter, but we came out on top. Then we face our old coach, who most Jayhawk fans hate with a passion. You beat him against all odds (well, at least that's what sportscenter would have you believe.) Then to keep this team together while all seems lost with only a minute or so to go, being down by 7. It could have been easy for our players to give up at that point, but they were composed and Mario Chalmers, the son of your assistant, hit's that clutch 3 pointer to send us into overtime with momentum on our side.

So Mr. Bill Self, I am extremely sorry for doubting you and I feel stupid for doing so. I hope you stay in Lawrence, KS until your career is finished.

Thank You Bill Self,



Paul
University of Kansas
Class of 2005

And he'll throw in a sex robot with Gucci sunglasses if you don't bolt for OSU.

Hopefully this shuts all the Bill Self haters up for good. And hopefully he stays around. He could be a great one.

So you actually have a degree from KU? I think Athan does too.

I think I'm going to write them to see if they'll send me one.

Damn man thats cold. Dissing KU right after their shining moment.:eek:

Not cool ! Not tonight .......:grr:

I've offered plenty of 'grats to their B-Ball program.

Yeah, but you have to actually know how to write. "Making your mark" isn't accepted as a signature at KU.

Heh. I don't mind it.

I wasn't an english, journalism or grammar major. But that was unnecessarily cold Phil. Jeez. But, I didn't actually try to write a perfect, professional letter either.

I've already accepted the fact, that will just never go away.

Time for a lifetime contract from KU to Self....

You're a good guy, Paul. I do like you. But I can't pass good material up. It's just not in me. At least you have a degree. I'm stuck working my fingers to nubs the remainder of my life.

eh, the degree is overrated. But thanks.

if ku had lost, everyone would have been begging OSU to take self... funny

:doh!: What? No they wouldn't. Maybee if he would of lost to Davidson. But why would we want him to leave after a championship game. This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever read.

Never hated Self, alwasy wanted him to coach at KU and stay for a long time....

Phobia makes a good point. Even KU lets some dipshits slip through the cracks.

I hope he goes to OSU.

What great publicity for Werner ladders.

I hope Quinn comes back to MU...

They are the official ladder of the ncaa.

ROFL

Nice Kepp!

You must be a Missouri fan, then....or maybe KSU....I take it.... :hmmm:

Me, too.:thumb:


Sorry, but Kansans dumped on Self for too long, now he delivers and he's the greatest coach ever in their eyes. He's an okie and he belongs in Oklahoma. I don't think Lou Perkins will offer as much as Oklahoma State will, money talks.

I'm a Sooner, who has many friends who attended Okie State.

every school has fans that are toolboxes...

The Godfather will step up.. KU has boosters and doners that are just as loaded as Tboner pickens....

But Kansas will never be home to him. Oklahoma is and will always be. His best friends in the world live there. His wife is an OSU graduate. I think his ties to the program, plus the money will be too much too pass up on.

As a fellow Sooner grad, I'd rather they not play a Self-coached OSU 2x/yr.

He may have been an Okie, but I think Self will pull a Dean Smith....and stay at the school who gave him his "big" chance at leaving his mark on the history of the game--not the one he happened to "play" at.

In the position Self is in, as the coach of one of the top five programs in the country....it's gonna take more than money to lure him from Lawrence, IMO.

I could be wrong....but there will have to be other, significant, reasons for him to leave (falling out with AD, KU lowballing him on his new contract, family/friends that he would be closer to in Stillwater, a deep love of something in Stillwater that he doesn't have in Lawrence....etc.---in other words, the sort of intangible things that lured Roy back to NC. I don't see them....at least at the moment.)

[QUOTE=kepp;4673414]What great publicity for Werner ladders.[/QUOTE

I'm totally taking my Louisville ladder back now.

He just reached the summit of his career. I think he'll want to stay at KU. However, I doubt KU is even going to try to match whatever ridiculous numbers the old thief throws at him.

I'm guessing they will double his salary to about $2.5 million....which compared to market, wouldn't be outrageous.

OSU would need to go to $4 million or more, for him to seriously consider it, I'd think. How much money do you really need, though? Seriously. If the differential less than 20-30%....I see him staying as well.

The team that gave him his big chance is Oral Roberts, not Kansas. He then coached at the University of Tulsa, then Illinois. Believe it or not , there was life before KU and there will be after it, as well.

More like he'll pull a Roy Williams and go HOME.

ROFL Oral Roberts "his big chance"? That's stupid.

The only reason he leaves is money, period.

By "big" chance....I mean, at a school that is one of the the top 5 or 6 programs in the country. Kansas is one of those programs.....alongside Duke, UNC, UCLA, and maybe one or two others.

OSU was such a school 50 years ago. It ain't at the moment. Maybe the challenge of ressurrecting the program will entice Self. I hope not. Guess we will see.

I'm saying ORU gave him his SHOT, not Kansas. I'm not saying the two programs are even in the same league, but seeing others act as if KU is the only program in the nation is what's stupid. Some act as if living in Lawrence is the Mecca of coaching-it isn't. KU is a top program, but let's not act as if it's the ONLY program with something to offer. Some Kansans are very jaded.

KU has a hell of a lot more to offer than OSU. That's why their only option is to hope Self is influenced by huge money.

No one is saying Kansas is "Mecca."

However, Kansas IS in the top tier of elite schools. That was his first "big" break. FWIW, Illinois is a great school too; Tulsa is good. But they are NOT in the same league.

OTOH, if we wanna talk Football now, well....Kansas would be third or fourth "tier" there. It'll take 10 or 2 major bowl appearances, and 5 or 6 wins for us to rise to the same level in football, that we are in basketball.

It is what it is; that's all I'm saying.

:shrug:

Self is quality for sure .. that said the little 4-box zone just about beat him ... turning Rose loose was very dumb .....

The newspaper story I saw said Lew wouldn't call wealthy alumni to beg for money, he was going to take care of salaries through the Athletic Department budget. I do believe that if certain people made the initiative to call Lew, they probably know the number to the red phone to bypass reception, and they wouldn't have to wait to get through.

Oklahoma State has some tradition as well. I just find it disturbing that some think that KU is light year's ahead of OSU-they aren't. OSU would be considered a top 50 program and they will be offering ALOT more than Kansas-this isn't as cut and dry are some are making it out to be-that's why I'm railing against them. Some are just so jaded, that they think just because we are KU, he'll stay. BFD, KU has been a successful program, but FAR fram elite. In fact, until this year, it could be argued that OSU had MORE RECENT success than KU in recent years. How exactly does that make KU elite? It doesn't.

Well, if you really don't think KU is one of the top 3 jobs in NCAA basketball, there's really no point in arguing with you, because you are disconnected from reality.

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

Kansas now has....5 National Championships, 13 Final Fours, 37 NCAA bids, 51 Conference Championships, and 36 20-win seasons.

What are OSU's numbers? Honestly, I'm asking. :shrug:

They've been to the final four 13 times. I guess if that's "not too many" you're right. Champs 3 times, runner up 5 times. I just realized I'm arguing with a reeruned person. See ya.

Six Final Four appearances in 21 years, and Four Championship game appearances--including 2 Championships??? :shrug:

I'll give you a call if I find your mind, because you've obviously lost it

Someone got out of bed the wrong way this morning, because this guy is obviously talking out of his AZZ and doesn't even realize it.

are you reeruned?

because that post is reeruned....it doesn't mean you are reeruned, but it looks like a reerun and quacks like a reerun...

OSU has TWO national championships. I have no idea, how many appearances they've made. Again, I'm just pointing out that KU isn't head and shoulders better than KU, especially when you can get MORE MONEY at the place you call home. I'm just think some let the KU bling blind them, to what is reality. Jayhawk fans prefer perception over reality. Their perception is that KU is in the final 4 every year.

BigChiefFan - you're an alright dude and you're generally pretty reasonable.

I'm not a KU fan but you're off. It's an elite program.

However, I would be surprised if Self is at KU next year.

Ignoring facts doesn't make them not facts. Ignoring the fact that you're getting bitch-slapped in an argument doesn't mean you aren't getting bitch-slapped.

Just plain old country dumb.

I stand corrected-KU is THE ONLY job a coach should consider to make a name for himself. KU is the best-they should just change the name to the big jayhawk conference and not even play the games. Everyone should bow down to KU's utter greatness and vast superiority. Everybody knows KU is stellar and Lawrence is the best community in the world. How dare a coach even comtemplate going back to where he started.

I know it is, I just like ruffling the feathers of the die-hard faithful. :evil:

well, when you get bitch slapped you should pull a "mecca"....


you poor little reerun...

yeah, yeah...the old "I was just kidding" spin. Dumbfuck.

UCLA kinda sucks at basketball too, I agree with BCF.

:LOL: Very true

All time basketball wins: Kentucky 1948, UNC 1914, Kansas 1906. OSU ?

I was trying to prove a point that KU isn't the mecca of all programs, but you all have your heads so firmly entrenched in all things KU it's best just to chock it up to jadedness and move on. Great win, now you'll have to wait another twenty years, but you'll still be elite along the way.

You've already proven your point, which is you don't know dick about college hoops. You can stop now.

Dude, I realize KU is one of the best college hoops programs in the nation, I'm just not so naive to think that KU is the end and all and be all like some think they are.
I think OSU has more pull for Bill Self than what some are thinking-that is the point of contention, after all, is it not? Keep the conversation relative to what is being discussed and you won't draw dumbass conclusions.

Which team did you say you're a fan of?

I fail to see the relevancy of the question. What does it matter?

It's relevant because your perspective is coming from a fan of some team. What team is that?

I'm a Sooner.

Oh, Jesus Christ. That explains a lot.

Should I say the same about the hawk fans?

Please explain how being a Sooner makes me less informed about the stellarness of all things KU?:D

hey, I was simply admitting that I was wrong.

I'm sure your wife knew all along right? :rolleyes: