For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

To me that is not a real strong argument but it is sad if it's true for sure.

I can appreciate what you are saying being it is probably just another stupid video on the internet to you. But if you actually meet the people that have went through this exact same scenario and you hear their story over and over it will absolutely change the way you look at it. We live in a world where we want to believe everything our country does is right and justified. We live in a world where we want to believe the government is working in our citizens best interest. We live in a world where where when it comes to our children and their health we don't want to think about the unthinkable and the possibility that the doctors we take them to may be following a system they know is not in their best interest. Reality is completely different than the glossed over image we are being sold. You really don't have to try that hard to scratch the surface and see the ugly foundation. I think one of the things that amazes me the most is how committed most people are to this gloss. To do otherwise is very uncomfortable and requires a lot of time and effort as well as holding yourself accountible. It's too easy to take the PC path by comparison.

Your obviously passionate about this subject. I am not and was not trying to be insensitive. I admit that I have NOT been informed or personally affected by autism. However, that video taken in that context from youtube offers no explanation or evidence as to what you were talking about other than a guy who I do not know asking a bunch of people in a room a couple of questions. Is there more? Is that just the end of an educational seminar or something? So, NO it's not just some stupid video on the net...to me it was a pretty random/vague video from the net. That's all.

My children will NOT be immunized with every vaccine at the same time.

They will be immunized over a period of a year. Period.

There are pediatricians I've met with that don't feel it's an issue to immunize a child in one session.

Those doctors have been crossed off of my list.

If there's even a 1% chance of a child developing autism due to "all at once" immunization, that's enough for me to spread them out.

BD,

You have what many think is a valid argument, but I don't feel this video does much for your argument. What is the context of the video? Who are these people? Is this a conference of people that all hold the same belief as you going into it? Is it a conference for parents of children with autism caused by vaccinations? There are many facts and arguments for your belief, I don't feel this is one of the better ones.

Do you take your son to (or plan to)daycare or public schools? My experience is that they require vaccinations at both. Almost everywhere.

Just curious how you manage that constraint.

And the research that started this was retracted by 10 of it's 12 authors.

That's a lot of science to the contrary.

There is a bunch of stuff in the other thread. Basically nobody knows for sure why autism is skyrocketing. What we do know is that this massive increase has went up at exactly the same time as this big increase in vaccines. What we do know is that parents keep saying their kids were doing great and everything changed immediatley after a vaccine. In every case, no. In the mass majority? yes. That is why I posted the video because it echoes what I have experienced in meeting parents who have autistic kids.

Vaccines in general are something I think every parent should do some serious due diligence on. Have you ever looked into how they make these vaccines and what's in them? Heavy metals, Animal DNA, Formaldehyde, all kinds of shit. ****s up your immunity system. Check out the history of vaccines some time. Read anything that is not produced by big pharm, the AMA and CDC. I know Iowanian likes to clown me but like I said in the other thread. When I was in the ICU with my son some of the top pediatritions told me off the record they understood why I was doing what was doing. I am sure they are all witch doctors to Iowanian because they come from California but truth be know I think most great doctors resent the fact that the AMA and CDC dictate to them what they do with their clients. What's the point in even having a doctor? Maybe we should just report to big pharm. Hell all you have to do anymore is flip on a TV where their telling what drugs to tell your doctor you need these days. Here is a list of some crap that is on your vaccines. If your interested I will give you more.

Vaccine Contains
Anthrax (BioThrax) Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Benzethonium Chloride, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Inorganic Salts and Sugars, Vitamins
BCG (Tice) Asparagine, Citric Acid, Lactose, Glycerin, Iron Ammonium Citrate,
Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Phosphate
DTaP (Daptacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Casamino Acid, Dimethyl-betacyclodextrin,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol
DTaP (Infanrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldhyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80
DTaP (Tripedia)
Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate,
Thimerosal*
DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose, Thimerosal*
DTaP/HepB/IPV (Pediarix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin
Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldhyde, Monkey Kidney
Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast
Protein
DT (sanofi) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (multi-dose) or Thimerosal* (single-dose)
DT (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Formaldehyde or Formalin
Hib (ACTHib) Ammonium Sulfate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sucrose
Hib (PedvaxHib) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate
Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein
Hep A (Havrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5
Cellular Protein, Neomycin Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers,
Polysorbate
Hep A (Vaqta) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Bovine Albumin or Serum, DNA,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Sodium Borate
Hep B (Engerix-B) Aluminum Hydroxide, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal*, Yeast Protein
Hep B (Recombivax)
Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Amino Acids, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Potassium Aluminum Sulfate, Soy Peptone, Yeast
Protein
HepA/HepB (Twinrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acids, Dextrose,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Inorganic Salts, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin
Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers, Polysorbate 20, Thimerosal*,

ah.... the difference between correlation and causation. I'll never understand why people find this so hard to understand, but on the other hand I see stupid people confused by simple things all the time so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I've heard that many people believe mercury content in some vaccines may have contributed to autism. We made certain the mercury content had been eliminated from all our daughter's vaccines.

What the AMA and CDC don't want you to know is that it is very easy to get your kid in school without them. That's just what they tell you. There is a form you can fill out that basically states it is against your religious beliefs and they can't deny you. That's regular school not pre-school. I know many parents who have chose not to vaccinate their kids and they they say they are having no problem. It's still a ways down the road for me so I haven't done all my due diligence in that area. I am a bit concerned when it comes to trying to get him into private schools. Then again because I am in California it may not be as hard as some other areas of the country. To tell you the truth my biggest concern is that they will pass a law making vaccinations mandatory period. BIG PHARM is currently trying to do it in different parts of the country. I could be wrong but I believe they did get it passed in Massachsettes or at least some part of it.

As will I if I choose to give him some vaccines after 2. If I do I will know what is in them and the chances of him ever getting the dreaded disease. I certainly will not put him on the 36 vaccine schedule. We have no idea what the long term effects of that many vaccines are and they are coming out with more every day. Understanding vaccines, their history, the industry and how they are produced is really becoming fascinating for me though. I am far from done but I will know everything I can before moving forward. One thing I can say after learning what I ahve is that I have zero faith in the AMA and CDC. They ARE big pharm. Hell after they knew they were infecting people with the SV 40 virus they wouldn't even recall what they had out there and let people get injected with the bad vaccine anyway. I was potentially one of those people 1962.

Thanks for the info. I didn't keep up with all the pages of the other autism thread so this was new/news to me.

You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/

It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.

My nephew did not receive all of his immunizations at once, and he has autism.

I have four kids and never had any immunized. They got into Missouri public schools no problem just signing the form. Same here in Florida where they finished school.

It's the heavy metals in the vaccines.

Doctor in Chicago having great results chelating the metals out of the brains of these kids. You will never hear about him or his results because of the powers that be.

We watched it happen to our best friends son. Complete sentences till his shot. Our son had some preliminary Autism signs like tip-toeing all the time, and getting completely wrapped up in spinning wheels, etc. I think learning from their experience saved him. There are laws in some states pending and some that have passed to remove the mercury from the shots. Waiting for the child to pass 3yrs before getting vaccinated eliminates the risk.

I have a friend who had the same thing happen. His kid got the MMR vaccine at 18 months, suddenly got sick, and then went silent. Went from being gregarious and talking to full-blown severe autism. When he told me about it, he had not heard of any correllation between the shots and the autism, but mentioned to me that he had been wondering about it because the timing was so dead-on. I googled it and found stories all over the place of the same thing, so I let him know.

The thing is, I understand that there is no scientific proof yet. What bothered me so much and why I delayed letting my sons get the MMR was that the whole point of a vaccine is to avoid problems, not create new, life-crippling problems. Doctors I talked to dismissed it immediately, and seemed to have a chip on their shoulders about it.

I finally decided I'd rather risk a dangerous disease than to get the shot while they are still so young and always blame myself if something happened. This basically meant getting the shot at 3 instead of at 1, and by then they had removed the thimerisol (mercury) binding agent. My youngest will get the shot next year just before his 4th birthday. I have to admit being a little uneasy about it already.

I've been out of the loop with the vaccination stuff because I don't have kids yet, but I found out that they now vaccinate for chicken pox. Why?

I didn't realize that either. That's like a right of passage as a child. Not to mention you get to stay home for a week or so from school.

It certainly was a rite of passage. I got my Atari 2600 when I got chicken pox, so I got to stay home from school for a week and play some sweet video games on a 13" black and white tv.

Seems to me that immunizing against a fairly harmless disease will do nothing more than force it to mutate and become not so harmless.

I wondered the same thing. The doctor finally scared us into it by talking about how now there are some really viscious skin infections that come on top of Chickenpox and cause much more serious problems.

We initially avoided this one in addition to the MMR, but finally decided to go ahead and get it done once they were a little older.

There is a school of thought that believes the genetic make up for Autism is already present, it's something in the vaccination that triggers that gene in Autistic children.

We grilled our pediatrician pretty hard on the subject and after listening to his reasoning we decided to go forward with the vaccines. His office doesn't use any Mercury or thimerosal in their vaccines. There are no preservatives added to the vaccines we received.

Truthfully I don't think anyone knows for sure. I know one thing, if the Government knew for a fact that there was no link they certainly wouldn't have a billion dollar fund set aside to assist those with autistic children.

Since there seems to be an agenda here, let me provide a little bit of balance from someone who is living the life.

Both my son and daughter have been given the same set of vaccinations, in the same dosages, at the same intervals. Not one iota of difference!

My son who is soon to be 16 suffers from Asperger's.....my daughter who is 12 does not. So how can one explain the difference?

mmaddog
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Why are boys affected in such larger numbers than girls if the only vector is the vaccine?

Vaccines also save lives.

To my knowledge boys and girls receive different vaccinations because they're each subject to different health risks. So, I don't think they were given identical sets of vaccinations. As you know, I'm no health professional so I could be mistaken.

You are correct to a degree...some vaccinations do differ, but not all. And the vaccinations in question do not differ in dosage for boys or girls.

mmaddog
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A lot of aluminum in these vaccines. Aluminum isn't good in too high a concentration in humans.

I'm sure you're more studied on the issue than I so I'll defer to your expertise.

That could be your mistake....:D

I do study on this a great deal, but please don't mistake me for an expert. I am sure that there is someone in the health profession who could refute some of my findings.

mmaddog
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As I said above, thats what really scared us about our son. Tip toeing, fascination with spinning wheels, and clapping his individual hands when he gets excited. He is fine now (still does these) and shows expression, emotion, etc., but we still have moments that scare us.

Oh - you're a lay-expert so far as I'm concerned. I mean, I've studied the studies and made decisions in the best interest of my child (I say child because I wasn't aware of the "dangers" with my teenagers) but I've not been personally affected as you have. I'll bet you've done plenty of research searching for answers and you've yet to find what you're seeking. I hope you can get some definitive answers one day.

Thank you Phil....

mmaddog
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Another article to read...

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20.html#feature

Thank you for the link jAZ....and here is the part that interests me most:

Envoi

Claims of a causal link between the administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines and the onset of autism are unfounded. The controversy has been driven more by public fervor than it has by science. This is not to suggest that the advocates and parents fueling the fire are malicious or intentionally misleading the public. The reality is that too many families face the unimaginable hardship of learning that their child has been diagnosed with autism and must encounter the subsequent trials and tribulations of providing the best possible care and education for their child. These parents are in desperate need of both assistance and answers. Compounding the difficulty is that many must navigate the waters of emerging science without having received the necessary training to do so. Clarifying misguided claims of causative factors can help redirect necessary resources to more promising treatments, and perhaps reveal a better understanding of the real factors that cause autism.

There is quite a bit of evidence people with autism have a propensity to have a more difficult time eliminating heavy metals. So what might be safe for someone with a good detoxification system could cause autism in someone else. One study on hair analysis showed lower levels of mercury in the hair of kids with autism and more mercury in the hair of normal children. This is an example of the type of cover-ups on this topic:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...adly_immunity/

We choose not to vaccinate any more, my oldest son had a few but no more for anymore of our children,

Not only may they be linked to Autism but they are also made up of aborted fetal tissue

on another unrelated note:

Why the hell would any mother want to give her daughter that HPV vaccine especially at age 9, there should be no reason for a healthy young woman to have HPV, as long as she practices abstinence or gets married any only has 1 partner, I know that there are other causes of cervical cancer but Seriously, most are Sexually transmitted

"The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of oral methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved in ethyl mercury elimination. Because of the differing pharmacokinetics of ethyl and methyl mercury, exposure guidelines based on oral methyl mercury in adults may not be accurate for risk assessments in children who receive thimerosal-containing vaccines." link

"In the case of thimerosal and autism, a growing body of scientifically credible evidence suggests that there may be little to be gained from large additional research investments and, at a minimum, that it is time that additional significant investments in scientific or medical research related to thimerosal and autism be based on credible grounds that would lead one to believe that such investigations will contribute to understanding mechanisms that cause ASD."
link


There have been plenty of other studies on the subject and unless you are willing to believe that the entire scientific community in the western world is engaged in a vast conspiracy to suppress the cause of autism, it isn't thiomerosal/thimerosal. I feel so bad for people with autistic children, I can't even begin imagine how difficult it is for them. But if someone is telling you its thimerosal that caused it and chelation will help or cure it they're taking advantage of you.

Kids like to fool around. They are not religious and you can't make them. I was even taught by a Nun that this is the case. I am a very anti-religious person. I don't understand how you can say your children won't be doing these things when they obviously will. I mean, of course there will be those socially inept kids who only deal with their parents because they aren't allowed to interact with other people of the opposite sex (your children), but really, if anything sexual activity among teens is higher than ever. In your perfect world, everyone would only have 1 partner for their entire life, but this isn't a perfect world. Look at yourself and see how much you sin to prove that point. Sexual protection is needed for teens. If my kids (I don't have any now, but in the future) have the normal experimentation, I don't want them getting some STD (or get pregnant) because they were told by the Church that they aren't allowed to use protection. My favorite is Britney Spears's younger sister, who got knocked up by someone who she met at Church!!! If only that mom of hers didn't take her to church...

So, autism didn't exist before vaccines?

End of thread. At least for me.

What exactly would be the motivation for every person associated with the CDC and AMA to cover this up?

probably the same reason that we don't know about some root in the amazon that when made into a tea will cure cancer, the almighty dollar. pharm is a multi-billion $ a year industry, there are plenty of reasons to keep easy cures covered up.

It's probably similar to the Oil industry. They buy up any patents that may be even the smallest competition and shelve them, ignoring the fact that it can save/help millions of people. They have a good thing going for them now so they're gonna ride it out and then later, maybe they'll look at some of these other ideas. They're motto is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" ....although we're becoming broke because of it.

"Big Pharm"...

Big Pharm Big Pharm. "they" "the govt"..."they"

Do you ever think about who "they" are?

I know a handful of people from college and life that are pharamcists, scientific researchers, genetics people...Some of them got into the profession because of the paycheck, but I'll wager more researchers than not got into the fields to research diseases to CURE them, not to make money for a company. Hell, the Republicans and Democrats who run "the govt" can't agree that water is wet.

If you become a researcher because your mother has Parkinsons disease, or your little sister has Cistic Fibrosis, You're busting your ass to CURE that disease.

Today, if 2 people know something, its not going to be a secret. When people quit, retire, get fired, become disgruntled...they throw all of the dirty laundry into public.

There is ZERO chance than "Big Pharm" or "the govt" can keep these things (cures for terrible diseases) under their hat....because "THEY" are made up of individual people, who go to work every day to do a job. Some go to work for the paycheck, but many have good intentions for a greater good. There is just no way to hide that.

If I'm a researcher because my sibling/child has Autism...and I'm part of a team that finds a cure...its not being hidden from the world.

This stuff to me is right up there with "the govt" did 911 so we could go to war" arguements.

I still would like to see a map or study of location data relating to Autism. Do some states/cities/regions have significant differences in ratios to others? If so, why? Does Autism exist in the Jungles of Africa? Maybe it does, but those kids are clubbed or considered witches? Do the coasts or large metro areas have higher ratios than the midwest rural community? Are there patterns to industry? Water Treatment types? Other diseases prevelent in the areas with higher autism rates.

I can for example point to a couple of small pockets in Iowa, or even within a county that have high concentrations of brain cancer or Kidney cancer....

I've heard that a thousand times, and have wondered myself.

Can you find a link to 1 person who has had their world changing patent purchsed by "big oil"? Can they explain what the miracle was?

ROFL

Interesting topic... all 3 of our children have had regular vaccinations. I don't know of any friends who have not done the same thing with their kids. (knock on wood) Each of the children appear to be fine.

I won't add anything else to the conversation b/c I haven't researched it enough and there are obvious personal things being discussed here ... I don't want to come off the wrong way.

Our vaccinations (to the best of my knowledge have all been spread out) over time, never all at once.

I'm not saying that it's a world changing patent. I'm just saying that it would help. Can you explain why all of the oil companies are also the leaders in next generation technology? (I'm a Chemical Engineering student and interviewed with several oil companies for a co-op. They are the ones that explained this situation to me).

This site has a bunch of articles talking about different times when companies have bought out patents and not used them. I'd like to see some sources, but I'm betting they didn't fabricate all of this info:

http://www.ev1.org/

I know of engineers who have told me of this going on. And I'm pretty sure I've seen articles talking about the different patents that Oil Companies own. I'll try and find it.

i just gave my kids dura-vet 7 way.

Before 1985, there was a strong association between latitude and autism (the higher the latitude, the more likely autism was) among light skinned people in America. Darker skinned people have had (and still do) a higher chance of having autism. Again, this is in America as I don't have stats for other countries.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/healt...s-autism.shtml

I know that myself and my girlfriend as babies had bad reactions to the P in the DPT shot. I think it all depends on the child, and really, I know it sucks but it also saves a lot of lives.

hahahah wow. In a thread full of nuts, you win the cashew award for being the nuttiest.

errr...ummmm.....what percentage of younger women in America have that sexual background?

You're really messing up the tinfoil hats...

So, think about this now:

NO SENIOR OFFICER of a big pharm company has ever died from cancer, or had his kid die from cancer, or had his wife or other loved one die from cancer.

Unless you think these evil people are mind-controlled to keep this a secret even if it means the death of them or a loved one.

Hmm...

As I read this I find myself feeling scared for the children who won't be vaccinated against diseases that have been all but eradicated thanks to vaccines.

I know you parents are doing what you feel is best for your children, as we all do, and commend you for taking initiative to research the situation and make your own decision regardless of the prevailing medical opinion.

May none ofyour children end up with anything that could have been prevented by vaccine, and may your goal of avoiding autism and other effects you perceive to be caused by vaccines be realized.

I agree. I don't know what vaccines in particular are being discussed, but vaccinations have all but wiped out former predators of humanity such as smallpox, polio and a host of other extremely serious diseases that used to kill a VERY significant percentage of the population.

To a degree, if a very small percentage of people forego vacinnations, then it may be fine as their chances of being infected are low because 99% of the rest of the population DOES have the vaccination.

But on an aggregate level, eliminating vaccines is very risky, adn the price is far too high.

All sorts of vids on YouTube for both sides of the debate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjGi...eature=related

Seems like religion is being used as a reason for many.

I understand its not the Norm- nor what society pushes upon these delicate young women, but the fact of the matter is that morality has declined and modesty has all but gone away.

What happened to Courting, then it turned into dating, then it turned into "hooking up", I feel it stems from the parents not taking enough time to properly raise their kids, if they were instilled proper reverence and respect for their bodies and others with Modesty being the main undertone then we could instill in our children some real values rather than garbage that they get fed from the media

It's the darn mercury in the junk. Mercury is still highly toxic. Would you put in your body as an adult? No. So why a young infant whose immunes system is not fully developed?
It's too many of these shots in a row at too young an age when their immune systems are developing. Do like they do in Japan...wait two years. Better safe than sorry. Besides I thought our gub'ment already ceded the mercury point.

They'll likely be fine, unless someone else who wasn't vaccinated visits a foreign country and brings back one of the preventable diseases, or an illegal alien with Hep doesn't wash his hands well enough after taking a dump and touches the kids dinner plate at Chuck E Cheese.

That is the fear I have in non-vaccinations. With all of the world travel, it takes the blink of an eye for an outbreak of something in Madagascar to make its way back to the US in bRainman's luggage, exposing everyone on the flight, at the airport and then dispersing to the 4 winds of the nation. Iowa has experienced outbreaks of Mumps, Measels and Hep from these very things in the past 3 years.

I'm pretty sure that most vaccines currently in use have no mercury. I know our doctor guaranteed that the ones they used had none.

Please tell me you're not that ****ing stupid.

Mercury is not the only toxin either. Toxic metals are used as an adjuvant to get the immunity system in an upraoar so the vaccine will work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant

Ingredients in vaccines

Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary, Part 2
Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine
Includes vaccine ingredients (e.g., adjuvants and preservatives) as well as substances used during the manufacturing process,
including vaccine-production media, that are removed from the final product and present only in trace quantities.
In addition to the substances listed, most vaccines contain Sodium Chloride (table salt).
Vaccine Contains
Anthrax (BioThrax) Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Benzethonium Chloride, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Inorganic Salts and Sugars, Vitamins
BCG (Tice) Asparagine, Citric Acid, Lactose, Glycerin, Iron Ammonium Citrate,
Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Phosphate
DTaP (Daptacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Casamino Acid, Dimethyl-betacyclodextrin,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol
DTaP (Infanrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldhyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80
DTaP (Tripedia)
Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate,
Thimerosal*
DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose, Thimerosal*
DTaP/HepB/IPV (Pediarix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin
Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldhyde, Monkey Kidney
Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast
Protein
DT (sanofi) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (multi-dose) or Thimerosal* (single-dose)
DT (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Formaldehyde or Formalin
Hib (ACTHib) Ammonium Sulfate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sucrose
Hib (PedvaxHib) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate
Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein
Hep A (Havrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5
Cellular Protein, Neomycin Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers,
Polysorbate
Hep A (Vaqta) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Bovine Albumin or Serum, DNA,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Sodium Borate
Hep B (Engerix-B) Aluminum Hydroxide, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal*, Yeast Protein
Hep B (Recombivax)
Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Amino Acids, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Potassium Aluminum Sulfate, Soy Peptone, Yeast
Protein
HepA/HepB (Twinrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acids, Dextrose,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Inorganic Salts, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin
Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers, Polysorbate 20, Thimerosal*,
Vitamins, Yeast Protein
Vaccine Contains
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
(Gardasil)
Amino Acids, Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate,
Carbohydrates, L-histidine, Mineral Salts, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Borate,
Vitamins
Influenza (Afluria)
Beta-Propiolactone, Calcium Chloride, Neomycin, Ovalbumin, Polymyxin B,
Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
Taurodeoxychoalate.
Influenza (Fluarix)
Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Gentamicin, Hydrocortisone, Octoxynol-10, "-Tocopheryl Hydrogen Succinate,
Polysorbate 80, Sodium Deoxycholate, Sodium Phosphate, Thimerosal*
Influenza (Flulaval) Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sodium
Deoxycholate, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal
Influenza (Fluvirin)
Beta-Propiolactone , Egg Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B, Polyoxyethylene 9-
10 Nonyl Phenol (Triton N-101, Octoxynol 9), Thimerosal (multidose
containers), Thimerosal* (single-dose syringes)
Influenza (Fluzone) Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Octoxinol-9 (Triton X-100),
Thimerosal (multidose containers)
Influenza (FluMist) Chick Kidney Cells, Egg Protein, Gentamicin Sulfate, Monosodium Glutamate,
Sucrose Phosphate Glutamate Buffer
IPV (Ipol) Calf Serum Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Monkey Kidney Tissue,
Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Streptomycin,
Japanese Encephalitis
(JE-Vax)
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Mouse Serum Protein, Polysorbate 80,
Thimerosal
Measles (Attenuvax)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Gelatin,
Glutamate, Human Albumin, Neomycin, Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate,
Sorbitol, Sucrose, Vitamins
Meningococcal (Menactra) Formaldehyde or Formalin, Phosphate Buffers
Meningococcal (Menomune) Lactose, Thimerosal (10-dose vials only)
Mumps (Mumpsvax)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Human
Serum Albumin, Gelatin, Glutamate, Neomycin, Phosphate Buffers, Sorbitol,
Sucrose, Vitamins
MMR (MMR-II)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Human
Serum Albumin, Gelatin, Glutamate, Neomycin, Phosphate Buffers, Sorbitol,
Sucrose, Vitamins
MMRV (ProQuad)
Bovine Albumin or Serum, Gelatin, Human Serum Albumin, Monosodium Lglutamate,
MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Sodium Phosphate Dibasic,
Sodium Bicarbonate, Sorbitol, Sucrose, Potassium Phosphate Monobasic,
Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate Dibasic
Pneumococcal (Pneumovax) Bovine Protein, Phenol
Pneumococcal (Prevnar) Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acid, Soy Peptone, Yeast Extract
Rabies (Imovax) Human Serum Albumin, Beta-Propiolactone, MRC-5 Cellular Protein,
Neomycin, Phenol Red (Phenolsulfonphthalein), Vitamins
Vaccine Contains
Rabies (RabAvert)
Amphotericin B, Beta-Propiolactone, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chicken
Protein, Chlortetracycline, Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Ethylenediamine-
Tetraacetic Acid Sodium (EDTA), Neomycin, Potassium Glutamate
Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Cell Culture Media, Fetal Bovine Serum, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Phosphate
Monobasic Monohydrate, Sodium Hydroxide Sucrose, Polysorbate 80
Rotavirus (Rotarix)
Amino Acids, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Chloride, D-glucose, Dextran,
Ferric (III) Nitrate, L-cystine, L-tyrosine, Magnesium Sulfate, Phenol Red,
Potassium Chloride, Sodium Hydrogenocarbonate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
L-glutamine, Sodium Pyruvate, Sorbitol, Sucrose, Vitamins, Xanthan
Rubella (Meruvax II) Bovine Albumin or Serum, Gelatin, Human Serum Albumin, Neomycin,
Phosphate Buffers, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbitol
Td (Decavac) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, 2-
Phenoxyethanol, Peptone, Thimerosal*
Td (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (some multidose containers)
Tdap (Adacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-
Phenoxyethanol
Tdap (Boostrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldehyde, Polysorbate 80
Typhoid (inactivated –
Typhim Vi)
Disodium Phosphate, Monosodium Phosphate, Phenol, Polydimethylsilozone,
Hexadecyltrimethylammonium Bromide
Typhoid (oral – Ty21a) Amino Acids, Ascorbic Acid, Bovine Protein, Casein, Dextrose, Galactose,
Gelatin, Lactose, Magnesium Stearate, Sucrose, Yeast Extract
Vaccinia (ACAM2000) Glycerin, Human Serum Albumin, Mannitol, Monkey Kidney Cells, Neomycin,
Phenol, Polymyxin B
Varicella (Varivax)
Bovine Albumin or Serum, Ethylenediamine-Tetraacetic Acid Sodium (EDTA),
Gelatin, Monosodium L-Glutamate, MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein,
Neomycin, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate Monobasic, Sodium
Phosphate Monobasic, Sucrose
Yellow Fever (YF-Vax) Egg Protein, Gelatin, Sorbitol
Zoster (Zostavax)
Bovine Calf Serum, Hydrolyzed Porcine Gelatin, Monosodium L-glutamate,
MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Potassium Phosphate
Monobasic, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Phosphate Dibasic, Sucrose
April 2008
*Where “thimerosal” is marked with an asterisk (*) it indicates that the product should be considered equivalent to
thimerosal-free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<3 mcg) of mercury left after post-production
thimerosal removal, but these amounts have no biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16)
Adapted from Grabenstein JD. ImmunoFacts: Vaccines & Immunologic Drugs. St. Louis, MO: Wolters Kluwer
Health Inc.; 2006 and individual products’ package inserts.
All reasonable efforts have been made to ensure the accuracy of this information, but manufacturers may change
product contents before that information is reflected here.

How can you act like everyone who doesn't agree with your position is a moron? You have enough reason to be skeptical, but there isn't a lot of Proof that your position is correct either BD.

I'm trying to recall if your positions have been as concerned about other substances people put into their bodies that are potentially harmful.

Do you really believe, there is some Mass consipracy between the govt, all of the competing pharma corporations, researchers, doctors and public health officials to allow something known to cause Autism to be mandated to be injected into children?

Do you know how much this affliction costs the govt? Do you know how much money is spent researching it?

Keep in mind, this is the same govt that will mandate helmets for bicycles, recall a toy because it *might* have caused an injury....


It just doesn't add up. Its not conceivable or logical, and it comes off boarderline irrational.

Vaccines or jail?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/17/mar...s/#cnnSTCVideo

Is the government liable for the poorly manufactured helmet? Do they face potential liability for approving a vaccine under the FDA?

What is my position?

To pretend that executives from big pharm that go to work for the AMA and CDC don't care about corporate profits is ridiculous. To pretend there is no motivating factor when billions are being made by big pharm is what, intelligent?

Your position appears to be that anyone who has their children vaccinated is begging for a case of autism for their child, and is a moron for not listening to your logical arguements, complete with overwhelming proof of the causation of the disease, and that the Govt, medical industry, research industry are allied in a huge conspiracy to pollute the children of the world with toxic materials for monetary gain....and that they have so much control that everyone is keeping their mouth shut "for the corporations" and "the government".


The Executives might have those motivations....to make profit. Its their job. the reasearchers and the gears that make the wheels turn however, I don't believe would ever stand for such an attoricity.

What you should know
 

How Vaccines are Made



A recent report from BBC News outlined in very simple terms some of the procedures involved in vaccine production, which most people are completely unaware of. Very likely, most people have an "out of sight - out of mind" mentality when it comes to vaccines. All they see is a clear liquid in a syringe and they don't want to know what is really in there or how it got there.

Particularly surprising to many people might be the wide use of animal-based ingredients used to mass-produce vaccines. This has caused some problems is the past and continues today. Recently, a "scare" has arisen in Europe when it was discovered that some polio vaccines were made using cells from calf fetuses that were possibly infected with BSE (Mad Cow disease).

This type of scare is not a new phenomenon. Back in the 1950's it was discovered that polio vaccines contained a monkey virus known as Simian Virus 40 (SV40). Millions were given the contaminated vaccines before it was replaced. Now there are reports that SV40 is turning up in human cancers.

Virus Nurseries

One of the main uses of animal cells is as "nurseries" for the modified viruses that constitute the main or "active" ingredient of a vaccine.

The animal cells serve as medium in which the virus in question will replicate and produce more copies of itself.

Scientists have various "cell lines", which are "immortal" cells that can keep on dividing indefinitely. These cells are derived originally from a variety of animal and human sources, including monkeys, hamsters, chicken fetuses or even human fetuses.

Vaccine Soup

However, this is not the only use of animal-derived substances.

The virus-infected cells are bathed in a "soup" made up of ingredients such as glucose for energy, and other chemicals such as growth factors, which can help the cells to develop faster.

Although human growth factors can be extracted, these do not provide as reliable or cost-effective results as other sources, such as fetal calf serum, which is widely used.

Dr Deborah Scopes, a spokesman for the British Society of Immunology, said of the vaccine 'soup': "It's a big broth which helps growth."

Once sufficient numbers of the virus have been replicated, the manufacturers use complex filtration and purification processes to try to remove as much of the substances other than the viruses from the vaccine.

"You don't want to produce an immune response to cow tissue - you want to produce the biggest immune response possible to the viruses, to make the vaccine effective," said Dr. Scopes

Do you know how many parts per million of RAT SHIT are acceptable in organic corn flakes? Rats were the the catalyst of the spread of more than 1 plague that killed millions of people. Do you know how many microorganisms, capable of causing huge health issues are in a piece of sushi?

I don't want to know how Most of the things I eat are made.

First of all after discovering the contaminated polio vaccines they refused to recall them letting every contaminated vaccine out there be administered to people. Don't tell me about what's possible with these people.

My position is simply this. My experience with dealing with parents of autistic kids has been consistant. The majority of them say their kids were perfectly fine until after receiving a vaccine at which time everything immediately changed.

Facts are:
1. The huge increase in autism parallels the increase in vaccines. I am not drawing a conclusion from this but I think there may be reason for concern.

2. The AMA and CDC have proven throughout history that they cannot be trusted. Having Big Pharm regulate Big Pharm is ridiculous. I have also advocated taking responsibility for your own health across the board on all subjects, not just this. In that area I am very consistant.

3. The long term effects of such massive vaccination is unknown. All anyone has to do is take a look at what they are injectiong into your baby to know massive doses of all that shit may not be a good thing.

4. Being this is the case people should have choices with their children. I don't want to tell people what to do with their children anymore than I want somebody telling me what I must do with mine.

What I am trying to do is tell people I think they should take a good look at this subject themself instead of blindly accepting the path the AMA has laid out for them and their children. That considering the potential consiquences, both short term and long term, this is a subject I could be very is important. They can take and do with it what they please.

What does amazes me is that there are people out there that have tens of thousands of hours of scientific research on this subject that they would like to share. When I offer to send the video's they made to people at my own cost they refuse.

What I am saying is not that far out in left field. To reiterate what I said before. I had doctors that told me when I was at Stanford ICU that off the record that they understood why I was doing what I was doing. Stanford ICU is one of the top ranked in the country, these are not quacks no matter how badly you want to call them that. Anyway, for what it is worth, that is my position.

Fact is those who want to believe all the anti vaccine stuff will never accept facts and will find a reason to say its all lies. Thats pretty clear from all that been referenced in the threads on this subject. If someone....anyone...says there is nothing to the vaccine issue, they are branded part of big pharma and shouted down regardless of who they are.

Quite talking about yourself. I'm talking about mercury, not vaccination per se.
Some people react more severly to mercury poisoning.

It's pretty much like any other debate on here: global warming, intelligent design vs. evolution, Huard vs. Croyle, etc...