Dirk Digler vote (just curious) Random Lottery
 

Lets all vote on a measure that would require Dirk Digler to stand in front of KFC on the 2nd Tuesday of each month and a random lottery winner would have to kick him in the balls. Would it pass?

isn't Dirk Digler a fictional character?

What no moral opposition to lotteries?;)

:shrug:

I don't know, I just know we have someone on the BB that uses that username.

Thought the poll was dumb but wanted my 10 bucks, or maybe I just don't get it???????

I'm guessing there is some kind of back story to this. I suppose I'll trudge on over to DC and try to figure out what it is.

I don't get it

Inspiration
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=354

Ahh thanks.

I guess Rad doesn't like how America works maybe he can move to China I hear the weather is good there

BTW I voted yes because I have balls of steel

Rad is right.

I agree with rad wholeheartedly, but I'm also resigned to the fact that it's a losing battle.

I stated in that thread multiple times I could care less either way but I don't get why people are getting so upset about democracy in action. IMHO they are just mad it is against them this time.

Just like in my town on Tuesday, they had a vote to build a couple of new buildings and it was going to raise everyone's property tax and it passed. I voted no but hey that is the system at work.

No, people are mad because it's a horseshit law. If someone doesn't want to smell the smoke they can go to a non-smoking establishment. End of ****ing story.

Yep.
It is really as simple as that.

QFT:clap:

There is alot of horseshit laws but if you don't like the new law try to change it. You have that right and from what I have read it appears some bar owners are going to try to do that by putting their own ballot initiative up for a vote. I think that is great as well. In the end the citizens have the final say not the government so what is wrong with that?

Funny how people on here say it won't hurt the bars, but yet they are trying to get it changed....hmmm. Wonder why? Because some of you don't have a ****ing clue, they ARE losing money. Bar owners in Columbia are trying the same thing, because they ARE losing money. Bar owners in Kirksville are trying to get it changed also, because the ARE losing money. I can't complain, at the moment because the ban is making me money (people are coming to my place because they can smoke if they want).

We as bar owners spend a ton of money on smoke eaters, special filters, and exhaust fans to accommodate both sides. Jesus, reading the dumb shit posts on this board about the subject is almost laughable. You would think that if you were to go to a bar that allows smoking you would drop dead the following night.

I have a guy that comes into the bar probably 3 to 5 times a week. Has an occasional cig when he is drinking. Plays golf with us everyday. Works at a local auction house. Seems to always be doing something. Oh and did I mention he is 85 years old. Yes smoking is not healthy, but come on, you going to a bar were others are smoking is not going to kill you. If you don't think the owner is doing enough to control the smoke, FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO GO.

By the way, even though it has helped my business, with the smoking ban passing just up the road. I am still against it! Whats next? How are they going to hurt our businesses in the future? Is it your family that is getting their income cut? Is it really that big of a deal to you? If it's such a great idea, why don't some of you get together and build a bar in a town that doesn't have the ban, but make yours non-smoking............since it is such a good idea, you ought to rake in the money, right? WRONG, or bars would have already been non-smoking, and they wouldn't have to make chicken shit laws, such as this.

I like you smitty. I hope you make a billion dollars selling beers at 300% margin. But I don't give a rip about bar owners. I don't give a rip about R.J. Reynolds either. If a law is passed that hurts the profitability of cancer sticks, I just can't complain. I'm a former tobacco user (spitter, not a sucker) and I don't like to smell like an ashtray. I'm watching my wife's grandmother die a painful death from second hand smoke, so I don't care about scientific studies or what the CDC says about 2nd-hand-smoke. My experience tells me it can kill you.

I have plenty of friends who smoke. Great. I don't have a problem with their choice. I don't care about a lot of stuff. But don't ask me to feel sorry for bar owners when smoking is pushed outside. People will still come. They'll just go outside to smoke.

Phil I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for them, but it should be their choice, not mine not yours, and certainly not the governments. But yes it is sad when I see friend go out of business and struggle providing for their family because of this shit. People can post what ever stat they want, I have watched it first hand and yes it pisses me off. I won't reply any further on this, as I think it is total BS and just gets me worked up.

Let's play a game. Name 5 non-smoking restaurants in KC before the law was passed?

It's sad when people struggle. It's all about adapting and overcoming. You need a plan for when it comes to your neighborhood. Adapt. Overcome.

People are still going to spend their entertainment dollars somewhere. Figure out how to keep those dollars within your doors. You can't feel sorry for somebody simple because they couldn't adapt to change. Otherwise I'd still be sitting around feeling sorry for myself because I'm not raking in $150 an hour as a consultant in Houston.

Name one. Anywhere.

McDonalds?

Restaurant?

Yeah. You know, fast food restaurant.

"The citizens" don't own the bars and restaurants.

Exactly.

Such as private property rights, for instance.

Honestly, how did "bar" get roped into a "restaurant" law?

I mean, it's pretty simple to distinguish, isn't it? If a place does 80% of their business through liquor sales, let them smoke. I don't know where to draw the line but I can generally determine the difference between a "bar" and a "restaurant" from the parking lot and if that fails then I'll find out within 3 seconds of walking in the front door.

Oh, I care about that but the whole "private" property issue is kinda moot when you beg the general public to frequent your establishment. Weak argument.

Since this lighthearted thread devolved into this discussion anyway, let me just say:

I find this over-reaction simply stupid. Out here in Kalifornia it is illegal to smoke in all restaurants and bars (at least in San Diego for the bars) they are doing a thriving packed house business with covers needed on Fri and Sats in the Gaslamp to even get in. So tell me again how they are not going to survive without smoking being allowed?

Gee, and here I thought that your argument wasn't just weak but nonexistent. I stand corrected.

Was this a rebuttal or a shot?

In Atlanta you can't smoke in restaurants at all. There's one place that I know of called The Vortex that found a workaround. You have to be 18 to eat there. It's a burger joint (a really good one I hear) during the day, and a Swinging Richards or Manhole type of bar at night I hear.

I love eating out and not smelling like smoke. I love not getting sinus infections anymore because I'm in the non-smoking area, but the booth behind me is smoking.

And speaking of people complaining about not being able to smoke, are you pissed that you can't smoke on airplanes anymore?

Are you asking anyone in particular? I don't smoke, so I probably can't help you understand the smoker's perspective. I'm only interested in the rights of business owners.

Well, competition isn't a problem here because you can't smoke anywhere in the state, and few are going to drive at least an hour from Atlanta to go to Tennessee or Alabama. :D

So frankly they're all playing by the same rules.

Smoking bans have saved me money. I'm one of the guys that doesn't go anymore. Restaurants occasionally but I haven't been in a bar in over 8 months. It really benefits me financially, and health wise as I've pretty much just quit drinking. I just think it's bullshit that you are banning a perfectly legal activity in places it's most personally inconvenient. Don't go there. It's pretty pretentious to tell a property and business owner that they can't allow a LEGAL activity in their establishment. Make sure you go out to eat and drink more often non smokers. You OWE it to business owners.

Yeah dude. How dare you complain when John Q Public decides to bend you over and put his penis in your rectal cavity. You OWN that property. Smoking isn't against the law. So how can it be against the law on YOUR property, but not mine? It's unconstitutional. It's anti American. Get pissed, you should be.

That's right. Because Americans have the RIGHT to go to a restaurant. What's next? Are we going to pass laws on the menu? Oh shit........... :Lin:

If you really don't see the difference between smoking indoors, and smoking in a sphere 30,000 ft in the air, then you're kind of a dumbass.

I disagree. If an air carrier decides to offer flights that include smokers, the carrier should be allowed to do just that.

If the carrier decides that they can fill flights by offering nonsmoking fights, they should be encouraged to do that as well. It has nothing to do with enclosed areas; It has everything to do with the owner of the business offering what he chooses to offer.

The market gets to decide whether he guessed correctly.

Don't buy it if you don't like it.

Damn. Where did our balls go?

I agree with the principle. If that's a risk that John Q Consumer wants to take, why shouldn't he be allowed too if the company is willing to let him?

I'd respectfully ask you to get your mind back to the inherent right of the business owner to offer a service that thrives or fails. It's his (and often his stockholders') business. That's all that matters, IMO.

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not in the camp of saving people from themselves. I guess with certain arguments though, rather than continue with the same rebuttals, I'm inclined to try and show people that their logic is flawed in more than 1 area.

I inspired a thread?

I rule!

I am not banning anything since I don't live in KC. In fact I have never stopped going to a bar or restaurant because they allowed smoking and I probably never will. My whole argument is that it is not the government that is imposing the ban it is the citizens of KC and I think that is ok because that is exactly how it should be.

It is also legal to own a gun but I can't carry one on the plane or in certain public places so that must be hurting bars and restaurants as well. :rolleyes:

As far as the stupid excuse that this will hurt bars and restaurants in KC I read an article last night in the KC Star that all the neighboring counties and cities all have smoking bans. Independence passed one, all or most of Johnson County does and Wyandotte county is going to pass one this year as well so either smokers are going to stay home (which that will never happen) or they will go out anyway because frankly there is no where else to go.

Yep

\One bar that is really struggling right now and is probably close to closing put on it's marque out front "where are you non-smokers??????"

Point is, it's the fact that it was even put to a vote that is sad and indicitive of diminishing rights and choices and the basic pussification of this country.

Get it?

Is this just a bar or a bar/restaurant?

I used a plane as an example because flights used to be smokey as heck until the FAA decided it was a bad idea. You just don't hear anyone complain today that they cannot smoke on a flight anymore....Restaurants will be the same way.

Mostly a bar. They serve some food, but just more for convenience to their customers. He was down 51% last quarter.

No I get it perfectly fine there is alot of laws that I disagree with but that is life get over it.

These types of places should have been exempt. And casinos. Nobody cares about the health of casino patrons. It is about health, right?

Right?

Can you type?

Actually out here Casinos are exempt, but then again they are on Indian reservations and run by the tribes.

Completely agree.

I live in a tiny community with one bar. They allow smoking while all the other communities in the surrounding area banned smoking.

This place is still dead. I go for the Blvd specials on tuesdays and thursdays but there's no more than 6 or 7 other people in there at a time. I've no idea how they stay in business.

I had no idea there was a bar there.

WTF, just let the sumbitch that owns the restaurant decide whether he allows smoke or not.


He can hang a sign up that says, THIS IS A SMOKING JOINT, IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, GO STUFF YOUR PIE HOLE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Then, the entrepreneurs would open up Smoking Applebees and Non Smoking applebees. Perhaps maybe even a nonalcoholic applebees if there is enough demand for one.

Cater to the establishments that suit your needs, let the marketplace decide who needs to stay in business or not.

I am sick and freaking tired of everyone wanting to stick their long damned arms into areas that are simply non of their freaking business.

We lost this fight in California decades ago.

DAMN THE NON-SMOKERS!!! :cuss:

:)

Well, they also serve burnt ribs to first timers but everybody who goes back a 2nd time goes to drink a beer rather than eat.

Rep!
It really is this simple.

I actually agree with this. I'm all about smaller government and simpler, more common sense laws. But since I can't do anything about the current state of affairs, I've adopted the position reflected in this thread.

OK, I know where you are talking about now.

So what kind of BLVD specials do they have?

$2 draws all night. They also have Irish on tap. In fact, they have a lot of quality beer on tap for a small joint. If you drop in, please drop my name if you don't mind.

fast food, yes
Subway - and other sandwich shops
Golden Ox / Golden Corrale
Cracker Barrel - um- C racker Barrel that is
Genghis Khan Mongolian Grill
Phonchos?

Just a few stabs in the dark.....

There's actually a restaurant about an hour west of here that has a non-smoking section. It's the little claustrophobic room in the back.

And Bob Dole typed up most of a grant proposal once that actually attempted to study the smoking/non-smoking thing by building duplicate restaurants with rotating staff and a common parking lot. There's a ton of different things that could be studied: attendance, total average ticket, length of stay, revenue per minute of stay, etc.

After reading three or four treads on this subject, all I can say is that nicotine is the devil's drug. I've never been happier that I never got hooked.

Wow, truthfully I am impressed, one that they did it of their own accord and two that you actually could name them.

Five gold stars.

WTF? You and your silly common sense. :shake:

We use to have an old style diner here in town, that specifically catered to smokers. He let people smoke, had ash trays on the tables, counters, etc. He didn't have a non smoking section. When people complained, he pointed to the door. He had a thriving business, as the beleaguered smokers ate there regular as it was the only haven they had to go and enjoy an old fashioned ham and eggs breakfast, black coffee, and a smoke for desert.

They weren't hurting anybody, and they weren't breaking any laws. There was no gun being pointed at anybodies head telling them, they had to go eat there. Just understand it, there WILL BE SMOKE HERE. Don't bitch if you come in.

But the "do gooders" went in anyway and kept raising hell with him, just because they had to have their fuggin way, I mean, that poor bastard was killing people after all.

So the place has a grease fire in the kitchen one day. I am sure it was an accident, and he got the phug out of business.

Now everyone will live to be a hundred and two, just like Jimmy the Cricket use to say.

You ask a question, you get your answer and when it goes against a point your trying to make you resort to being a smart ass. Good job.

I was not being a smart ass I really was seriously impressed. I was sure that it would not be possible.

Then I take it back.