If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5
 

I can't see Jake Long dropping to us...Dorsey and Chris Long will be gone...all the other OT's are a reach with this pick...Edwards is apparantly in love with the guy...I can see it coming...:eek:

I think if Allen is gone Herm will pick a booger. I think he'll pick a booger if Allen stays too.

I'll take Gholston over Clady.

didn't u hear carl at the last presser? McIntosh is a stud and OT is not a position of need! ;) Or something like that... I do believe that Gholston appears to be "the real deal" in a very non-greghill kinda way

Where does it say that because they're other sources saying they like Ryan and Ellis too?

If you didn't hear this at WPI then it cannot possibly be true.

Who says Herm loves Gholston? I've read the total opposite of that, and the big knock on Gholston the past few weeks is he doesn't show up as often as you'd like on the game film. Herm's a big game film guy.

I cannot tell you what I heard at wpi

They have killers you know.

I think herm does a good job confusing everyone, I just wish he'd give it a break gameday

Right.. Duh.... CP's son?

So even if we do get a 1st rounder and a 3rd for Jared Allen we have to expend one of those picks replacing him so basically all we would get is a 3rd round pick for a top tier DE and their pick is what, #17??

I like Gholston, I'm a PSU fan so its a love/hate thing but he is solid. I just think its a shame that we are going to get rid of JA for an untested NFL rookie, who we are still going to have to give #5 money to.

No. We don't have to spend one of those picks replacing him. If the BPA at #5 is Chris Long, fine. Otherwise we should still take Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis (Gholston or Ryan if the FO really believes they're the BPA). We should make the exact same pick at #5 regardless of whether JA is traded or not.

I completely agree, I was going off of the thread title to draft Gholston. Was simply making that very point, that if we drafted Gholston basically we would have only gotten a 3rd rounder for Allen. If I were drafting I would draft BPA also. I believe Ellis will be there at 5 but if Long is there I would grab him in a heartbeat, I love his tenacity and power.

C. Long wouldn't be an upgrade to JA but would certainly compliment the line. but I agree, I would draft as if JA was still on the line. And upgrade interior DL or if J. Long is there grab him for OL.

Being in buckeye country, I would have to agree with that, there is no way he is going to justify being a top 15 pick in the 1st round. He is way overrated. Where was he against LSU? O$U plays such a weak schedule most of thier players don't perform in the NFL at the star level like they are projected.

Chiefs, please don't waste your pick on Gholston..... :banghead:

Sounds like the Chiefs are about to make another stellar roster move. LMAO.

Uh please no.

If a trade doesn't happen and it plays out like in the example, IMO Ellis or Ryan would be better picks as far as BPA.

Don't tell that to kcchiefsfangolj who would take Gholston over Chris Long (and just about anyone else) LMAO


I see Gholston as a smaller, but stronger and more athletic Derrick Harvey.

Pay $22M for an untested rookie DE and trade away the established player who was asking for guaranteed money in the neighborhood of 30 million. Yep, that about makes sense for the Chiefs.

People are getting carried away with this.

What if Gholston is the BPA at 5?

What if they were planning on picking him regardless of what happens with JA?

People are so quick to say we're wasting a pick to "replace" Allen.....

We don't NEED to replace Allen. We need the best players we can get regardless. If it happens to be a DE, so be it.

Peter King says Edwards likes Gholston.

They don't have a strict BPA list. They have clusters damnit.

I wish I was confident that this team would take the BPA, but I have a feeling whether Jared is on this team or not, we will be drafting for need, and that is Oline.

Sure we don't NEED to replace Allen, but I can understand people who are pissed at getting rid of one of the best DEs in football and replacing him with an untested DE who at best will play like Allen at basically the same price.

Clusters, BPA, I don't give a shit.

The point stands.

People just need something to bitch about, and if we draft C. Long or Gholston, it's going to be because we needed to replace Allen, not because they were the best player for the team in the "cluster" that was available.

So what if they were planning on drafting one of them and keeping Allen?

What difference does it make?

People are just hung up on replacing Allen.

You shut your mouth when your talking to me (Wedding Crashers). No way Gholston is overrated, some say he disappears, show me a DE that doesn't disappear sometime during the game, if they stop running at you, your tackles are going to go down, because your not going to be able to run down everybody. He pressured Flynn quite a bit in the LSU game, I will hand it to Flynn he got rid of the ball very well when he was pressured. Uh OSU players dont play well in the NFL????????? Ever heard of Mike Vrabel, Terry Glenn, Chris Carter, Eddie George, AJ Hawk, Shawn Spring, Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer, Mike Doss, Jack Tatum. I mean seriously come on, you can say players from all schools have been rated high and never projected to what they "should of been" in the NFL.

Just a taste of what Gholston has done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE2y_ypR9wQ&NR=1

It's true I do like Gholston over C.Long. I would like to have Gholston, but if we keep JA, I will say what I have said all year, I would take Glenn Dorsey in a heartbeat. I would take Sed Ellis also if we keep JA. Chris Long isn't going to be there when we draft anyway so your point about me liking Gholston is moot.

We need OL... We need OL... We need OL .....

Ok, I have watched tape of Gholston, and I am left unimpressed. I do think he is a round 1 type of guy, but not at number 5 to us. If we trade JA to Minnesota, and get their pick. I would like to see us get either Dorsey or Ellis at 5 (I would like to get Chris Long but I think that he is going to be gone), and get Clady at 17. I don't think Clady is top 5 talent, but after looking more into the guy I think at 17 he could really help this team. This way we have studs on both sides of the line, and we all know if you have a great line on both sides you win ball games.

Your idea of tape would be? Not another youtube only homer, eh? Not attacking you or anything at all like that, I get tired of people who say they watch tape when all they do is watch a youtube clip. I am the first to say if my opinion on someone is speculation or I have actually watched the person play and really watched them, not just listened for when their name was announced.

WTFITPOT....


Give up a known top notch DE who we have to pay big money to so we can give up big money to a top 5 pick that hasn't proven chit that we just had to use that pcik to replace our All Pro DE... =stupid.

I don't think Jake or Chris Long will be there at 5. If Dorsey somehow is there at 5 I think we take that pick, but also unlikely. If Matt Ryan is available at 5, I think we'll be hearing from Baltimore about wanting to trade up to pick him up, and we could more than likely get their 2nd- at least their 3rd. Carl can hold the fact that they are getting a shot at the top QB in the draft- which doesn't slot as evenly b/c the premium placed on the position. If that happens, I think we take Ellis at #8. Baltimore could call our bluff, but I could see Carl and Herm being like, that's fine, he grades out and is a position of possible need, so Baltimore can't feel totally confident sitting tight at 8.

With our 2nd 1st rounder (presumably from the Vikings) I think we look at taking an OT or CB- whichever position has a player that grades out higher for us- unless of course someone is on the board that we think has slid way too far based upon their talent.

That would probably mean we would picks in the 2nd round of:
#35 our original
#38 Baltimore's pick

#47 Minnesota's pick. If we're moving JA before on on draft day, I think they won't take anything less, and would be more than willing to let the Vikings try to sign him to an offer sheet after the draft- which they'd give up 2 #1's but 2 years off and their value drops- which Carl would probably take, but I could totally see him matching just to say F-off to them, but I think Herm would like the idea of 2 extra 1's over the next 2 years.

It's beginning to look like the perfect storm, as I said in my original post, for us to draft Gholston. The Longs will both be gone before we pick, Dorsey looks to be gone as well, and I don't see us taking Ryan at #5. All the other O-line talent is a reach at #5...and Gholston is the next BPA. If Parcells thinks Gholston is the second coming of Demarcus Ware...that's a pretty good sign of how good this kid is. I just hope Carl can somehow get a 1st and at least a 2nd for JA...

I hope we take the BPA, even if it is Gholston, but if it's between Ryan and Gholston id want Ryan more...im just ready for teh draft to get here!

Step away from the kool-aid and put the cup down, don't drink anymore.

If I had a couple of players to choose from, 1 from a conference like the Big 10 or a team from the SEC, I would take the player from the SEC. It is a stronger conference from top to bottom and would be tested more week-in and week-out.

Considering how strong of a team that OSU was supposed to have, they sure have flopped when it comes to bowl games.

I am not saying that there haven't been some good players from O$U, but consider they are seriously overrated coming out of O$U.

Too bad I think JA is still a bigger bad@ss than Ware. NFL sackleader when only playing 14 games, stout against the run, doesn't take plays off, and even contributes on offense- not to mention showing some real heart and getting guys fired up. Can't fault the guy for hating Carl- everyone else around here does, which is why he should be forced to stay, just like we, as fans, have been held at siege by the D-bag for nearly 20 years.

Suck that we can't get either the top DT or OT, but if we can do the move with Baltimore and really look at stockpiling a bunch of fresh guys, I'd feel at least a bit better. I assume we're gonna suck next year, and will have a better idea of how Brody will work out- which means we could be primed for a higher or probably at least = pick to this year to take the top QB next year.

:stupid:

ok all the highlight film i've watched on Gohlston I have one question is he big enough to play de in the nfl?

By the way... wouldn't BPA probably be McFadden, since he's probably going to be there based on the latest projections.

Here's one time I wouldn't take BPA b/c we can't move them at all, and I'm a firm believer that b/c of the shelf life of RB's they are rarely worth going after that high. Give me a solid line up front that you can pay less to open holes and an avg back can look pretty damn good.

That said- watching Petersen last year was pretty sick- luckily they have a pretty sweet line blocking and oh ya- T-Rich lead blocking for him!

Well see the thing is everyone freaks out because you make them think wether or not they would take one person. Some are all over one guy and some hate that guy or think he is trash. Like I have said I would be happy to have Gholston, but I would take Dorsey and Ellis over him because, If we keep JA and put one of those studs on the line, we are going to have one of the better D-Lines in the league. I have even grown to the thought of having Matt Ryan, not over either of the Longs, Dorsey, Ellis, or Gholston, but I think I wouldn't be driven to throw my tv out the window if we took Ryan.

6'4 264 of pure muscle and athleticism, yes he is definetely big enough and strong enough to play DE LOL.

I see it is too late, the kool-aid has already impacted your thinking process.


When O$U stops getting their schedule from the bakery then come and talk to me.


Indiana, Minnesote, Purdue, Northwestern are really tough teams. Michigan used to be their only question mark on their schedule. and then you throw in teams like Akron and Youngstown State in the mix, that is the true icing on the cake.

I realize that schools make their schedules years in advance, but some of them are truly sad.

Most of the college programs are guilty of this though.

Oh I guess USC is a nobody? Once again :stupid: I dont know whats worse reading your crap or DaKcMans garbage.

Somebody help me with this logic. Why in the hell would you trade away Jared Allen and then make your priority a DE in the first pick??? Hell I thought the team was more entertaining losing 38 to 35, then the current condition of the team. BUILD THE ****ING O-LINE PLEASE.

By garbage you must mean high-quality, educated, intelligent viewpoint. ;)

1. DE doesn't become a 'priority' - it's still BPA available at #5.

2. Refer to #1 to realize that there isn't a viable OL option at the #5 pick.

and we will see how they do against them.

Who else have they scheduled that was either in the pre-season top 25 or ended the previous season in the top-25?

Understood. However, I know everyone must see the irony of that choice. A sellout of the defense. Trade away a solid player and you gotta replace them immediately with your only hope for the future...the draft. Just puzzling.

TACKLES FOR LOSS TOT YSU AKRON WASH NU MINN PUR KENT MSU PSU WIS ILL MICH LSU
Gholston, V......... 15-1 0.5-1 1.0-5 - 2.0-23 - - 2.0-9 - 1.0-7 4.0-32 - 4.0-21 1.0-15

TOTAL TACKLES TOT YSU AKRON WASH NU MINN PUR KENT MSU PSU WIS ILL MICH LSU
Gholston, V......... 25-12 2-2 1-1 1-0 3-0 1-1 1-0 2-2 1-1 1-0 4-0 3-2 1-4 1-2



Those numbers are worthy of a #5 pick in the 1st round?
he wure was good against no-name opponents, wasn't he......

O$U Stats Link

is Ghoulston really the next Merriman?

seems like after Merriman, everyone is searching for the next "Merriman" and guys who aren't as good have their value inflated..wasn't Merriman the #17-ish pick?

same with Adrien Peterson...because of him people are hot for McFadden when there is little reason or evidence to draft any RB that high...

I'd still much rather have Ellis than Ghoulston, if we aren't going to take Ryan....simply based on the value of their positions and wanting to finally shore up the middle of our defense

Forget it....you're not going to convince the Buckeye haters. We'll see someone in the championship game in 09. :clap:

ROFLROFLROFL

well yes i know his ht weight but all I hear is he is a fit for 3-4 ds

how does he fit in our cover 2 4-3?

He's 2" taller and about the same weight as Dwight Freeney.

No, I don't watch youtube. I actually kind of pay attention to OSU games, I knew Michael Whiley and ever since he went there I have somewhat followed OSU. I watched accouple of their games in 07, and yes he stood out, but he didn't dominate. A player that goes in the top 5 should dominate, I just never saw that from him. Maybe my watching tape thing was a little ambiguous, maybe "after watching him play this year" would of been better. I wouldn't be pissed if we picked him, but I think Dorsey or Ellis would be better.

Not arguing that tOSU isn't a quality squad, but why doesn't the Big10 do themselves a favor and get a damn Conf Championship game, and quit embarrassing themselves by backing into title games only to look like a joke and making the entire Big10 look overrated?

The BCS should require any team playing in the title game to be required to play a conf. championship game. If they don't, they can be selected for a different BCS game but not the title game.

As someone that doesn't have a dog in this fight, from my outside opinion, I'd have to agree that I think SEC players tend to make better pro players than the B10. Just my opinion, and that's just based off my gut instinct.

Good question. But no we don't and here's why.

I certainly hope the Chiefs are taking this into account when determining the BPA.

IMO, part of evaluating BPA goes into what position they play. Ex: QB is a bigger impact position than say Safety. So if you have a QB and a Safety you rate pretty equal in the quality department, the push goes easily to QB because it's a much bigger impact position.

Now for McFadden. IMO, his BPA raiting (or whatever you call it) slips because RBs have a short life in the NFL and they're easy to find in the mid rounds (ex: Kolby Smith)

So that takes his value down.

Teams have got to take into account the position guys play.

Others say he Likes Ellis too

I think that the Dolphins have set this whole thing into motion, and it works out great for us.

J. Long
Dorsey
Ryan
C. Long
Ellis

I would definitely take Gholston over Ellis... but I certainly wouldn't throw a fit if Ellis is the pick.

Gholston will be a beast in the NFL.

:lame: Your feeble attempts at trying to show me up are terrible. If you want to play the "stats are the most important thing" then lets play. The best DT in the draft according to bkkcoh is Tervor Laws because his stats are better than any DT's in the draft. :rolleyes:

It sure as hell wont be you guys so I dont know what your laughing at.

We have a much better shot than OSU. It'll be either us or UGA.

Not at all, I just don't by all of the Gholston is a god talk. that is all.

A defensive end shold average more then 3 tackles a game, should they?

Like I said, quit drinking the kool-aid, there maybe hope afterall.....

Thank you for helping me try to make that point.

Wow you must be smoking crack if you think you have a better chance than us, we lost one good player to the draft and that is Gholston. We have the best CB in the country as well as the best LB in the country. As well as one of the best O-Lines and Beanie Wells is going to make a run at the Heisman if he stays healthy. I dont know if you have heard of one of the recruits we picked up his name is Terrelle Pryor, I think he is supposed to be ok ;)

The God that is Jared Allen averaged a whopping FOUR tackles per game last year.

I'd take Gholston if Allen were traded.

Im not drinking any kool aid, I never said Gholston was the best in the draft, never even said he was the best DE in the draft. You need to stop all the OSU bashing your doing and focus on the subject at hand. You go from Gholston is overrated to every player that came from OSU has been way overrated and never lived up to billing.

If your gauging Gholston's ability on his tackle numbers, what do you think about Dwight Freeney who isnt the best against the run, or even JA who was questioned against the run? Your not going to get a perfect DE who gets every tackle and every sack, most DE's accel in either or. Now some DE's do get more tackles because of sheer desire and a great never stop motor, but not everyone puts up ungodly numbers in both.

Wow bkkcoh, is OTW on the kool aid too?

Umm.. getting blown out 2 years in a row is not going to help your chances in the polls. If OSU loses 1 game they're out. I don't know if you've heard of Tim Tebow, but he won the Heisman and he's back. There's also some guy named Percy Harvin and a great senior TE/WR Cornelius Ingram. Our offense is going to be sick this season. Nearly unstoppable. Our defense will be much improved with a year of experience and a bunch of top recruits. LB Brandon Spikes is a man among boys and will be a top-15 pick in next year's draft. That, playing in the SEC and having a much easier schedule than last year gives us the edge. The game for the entire country to circle on their calendars is Fla/Ga in Jax. Can't wait to go to that one.

But, you were right about OSU beating Florida and about OSU beating LSU, so I guess you'll be right about this too. ;)

I think King is the only person saying that, and he's the same guy who said a week ago not to believe anything coming out of KC because they're going to be angling to get both the Jets and Pats to move up.

Suggesting Herm likes Gholston only helps that cause along, so why King would believe it and repeat it is anyone's guess.

He was missing from some games also. I realize that there isn't any player that plays 100% on EVERY SINGLE PLAY. But a playmaker makes more plays, more consistently.

I don't think Gholston is on the level.

Did Allen get to play against Kent State, Youngstown , Akron and the Golden Gophers?

Gholston isn't consistent enough to be considered with a top 5 pick as a 4-3 DE.

OSU might make the big game because they play in DIV 2.

Then again, there is that early season game at USC.....Which means OSU plays 1 good team this year.

I never guranteed anything, I said I thought they would win, and we got beat both times, and it sucked, and you move on. Well at least I can always take pleasure in knowing you were the idiot who guranteed that Michigan wouldn't beat Florida, and what ended up happening in that game? Mr. Heisman wasn't doing to well on his back, and old Percy was puking his guts up because he was so exhausted, but thats not because the Big 10 has any speed, because we all know that the Big 10 cant hang with SEC Speed :rolleyes:. No, you think you know everything about anything, and you strut around her like a rooster with his feathers out, trying to get everyone to aknowledge how brilliant and smart you are. Your not impressing many people around here. ROFL

What a smartass. It's always fun when idiot's like yourself start saying stupid crap like "JA would dominate that College schedule". Well I would hope that he would considering he is in the NFL.:rolleyes:

LMAO I love to gurantee things, strut around her and get aknowledged.

I do appreciate you noticing how brilliant and smart I am.

So what is your excuse for why Gholston couldn't dominate poor teams (and good teams like LSU)?

Well???

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