Interesting rumor out of STL....(Matt Ryan)
 

If the Falcons are able to land Glenn Dorsey with the 3rd overall pick, they would pick up the phone and call the Patriots if Matt Ryan was available at 7 and offer all three of their 2008 2nd round picks. (34/37/48)

The value chart shows the Falcons package to be worth 1510 on the chart, while the 7th overall pick is worth 1500.

Interesting, to say the least.

Not surprised, If that scenario breaks out and the Chiefs reached for an OT and passed on Ryan it will not be pretty.

Jesus, the Patriots would be all over that.

Only team in the way of that would be us. If it plays out as I think it will, we're going to choose between Ryan and Ellis.

What if the Falcons called us up and offered at least two of their second rounders and their 1st in 2009, assuming we already had the first from the Vikings?

We could do this all day...

Why the hell does everyone call the Patriots when they need something?



I need a good cameraman....I'm calling the Pats!

we're going to have a huge bidding war if Ryan is there at #5...

You don't do that as the Chiefs, the Pats can consider it because with their already built core 3 good players can mean more to them than 1 great one..

The Chiefs still needing to build that core can not to a deal like that.

I'm gonna be in the minority here, and it's gonna come as a bit of a surprise considering I hate the idea of trading down, but depending on who we have to pick from...

If we had the 17th from Minnesota, I'd probably take the same offer, even though it's 190 points short on the value chart. Maybe ask for a 2009 2nd rounder or something, but if they balked, I'd take the 3 in the 2nd.

So we'd have picks at:

17
34
35
37
48
66
73
105
136
140
170
187
210
239


14 picks......if used correctly.....a damn great start to a rebuilt franchise.

You also just jacked all chance of getting a legit QB and next years QB class is awful...

What does "it will not be pretty" mean?. You've been arrogantly dismissing those who wanted OT over DL or Ryan for months - saying they don't understand the draft. Well, Bill Parcells knows a hell of a lot more about the draft than me or you and he just picked Long. I personally have become very high on Ryan and want to see him a Chief, but Branden Albert or Ryan Clady may be the next Willie Roaf - who knows?

I understand where you're coming from, but remember how San Diego built their core? 11 picks in 2004.

Five picks in the first two rounds could be huge. 7 picks in the first three rounds.

Want a quick bit of news?

Bill Parcells is not the end all be all of drafting this man used 1st round pick on Bobby Carpenter.

I know you have a raging hard-on for Ryan, but to say we couldn't get a QB with those extra picks is insane.

You're going against your own beliefs. Don't pick for need.

Yea we'll get Chad Henne just what I want...

I'd personally rather have Sedrick Ellis than to do this.

At some point you have to stop trading yourself out of a good spot.

You're a walking contradiction all of a sudden.

Draft for need, or don't draft for need?

Which is it?

Because taking a QB just because you're concerned about next years class is drafting for need, plain and simple.

If a QB is there with one of the picks, great. If not, we've just filled FIVE holes on the first day of the draft.

Bullshit. We could have 34 7th rounders.

Why don't you want 34 7th rounders?

Next year's class DOES have Tebow and Bradford, FWIW.

I'm a little concerned about the most important position on the team, if you build an entire team with no QB you won't win....

Tebow is brutal man, spread option, horrid mechanics...the way he throws the ball is just awful.

And aren't you the one that keeps saying this is a 3-4 year rebuilding process?

We don't HAVE to have a QB in the first round of this draft anymore than we HAVE to have a LT in the first round.

You mean you don't want to be FLACCONIZED!?!?!

Oh that's right - you are the end all be all. Better than Parcells. Glad I got that straight.

I think you are too obsessed with rules - teams in situation X cannot trade down, position Y can't be drafted top 10, etc. etc. These rules are bad attempts to make complex, highly variable decisions simple - and I can find historical cases where each of them fail. I understand your schtick, but my suggestion is that you open your mind and embrace the complexity. It will humble you when you realize things aren't as simple as you think.

And no one's got a perfect record. Your beloved AJ Smith took Sammy Davis in the first round. And his last 1st round pick in Buffalo (with Jerry Butler) was Erik Flowers.

In 3 years if they've drafted well this is the scenario will be in, we won't be bad enough to pick high enough to get a QB but we won't be good enough to win..

Then we'll have people saying we don't have time to develop a QB because the rest of our team is pretty good.

I call bullshit.

Half of the teams in the league have a starting QB that was taken in either the 2nd half of the 1st round, or in a later round altogether.

Round 1:

Rodgers
Campbell
Brees
Pennington
Grossman
Boller

Round 2:

Beck
Jackson

Round 3:

Schaub
Edwards
Croyle

Round 4:

Garrard

Round 6:

Anderson
Bulger
Brady
Hasselbeck

And how many of those guys are legit good enough to win something with? 4?

And how many of those guys are even with the team that drafted them...I count several that aren't...

Yeah, 4. In round 6 alone.

:rolleyes:

I guess all those teams are playing for nothing, Mecca says they can't win with their QB.

Nevermind that 9/16 on that list have either led their teams to a playoff game, or had the team in contention for a playoff berth late in the season.

There's 6 that have conference championship game experience.

I guess we should trade for someone elses backup or sign some guy who gets cut and hope we get lucky cause

Hasselbeck
Bulger
Anderson
Schaub
Brees

Who outside of Brady are the best ones up there, outside of Brees all those guys are traded backups or guys that were cut. None of them are with their original teams.

Who gives a shit?

Are they starting QB's, or what?

I guess Brett Favre's entire career is irrelevant because the Falcons gave up on him prematurely?

It's obvious they were initially correct in making the pick, but made a mistake by letting them walk.

It's the point of what a crapshoot those late round QB's are, it's like the people who harp Tom Brady constantly like it is just easy as heel to pick a QB in the 6th round.

You're much more likely to be the Colts or the Steelers or the Chargers in how they got QB's than the Pats.

THE WHOLE DRAFT IS A CRAPSHOOT.

For every Peyton Manning, there's Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, David Carr and Patrick Ramsey.

And if it wasn't for the R1 class of 2004, the numbers would be even worse.

I bet Sanchez from USC becomes a darn good QB.

He may not even be starting next year....I couldn't even for sure tell you he's the best QB at USC and neither can the coaches.

To be frank I just get really tired of people who think a QB has to be perfect to be worth a 1st round pick. "If he's not John Elway I don't want him!" Guess we should wait 15 years for that QB and hope we happen to suck enough to get him.

And the perfect QB doesn't have to be a Top 5 pick.

I forgot they had Mustain as well.

Neither one of you are right and neither one of you are wrong. Maybe this maybe that...it is all WASTED conjecture at this point because OUR opinions do NOT matter AT ALL. Save it for draft day when we can pick apart all the picks we got that we didn't need or want.

Oh cmon that's no fun.

No kidding.

I enjoy the debate too much.

I'm a guy that wants Dorsey, then Ellis, then C. Long. I've felt that way for a long time.

However, if you have a chance to draft a franchise QB, you take it. If you swing and whiff, so what, you have to take a shot. If Ryan is there at 5 and the Chiefs pass I really hope he sucks, otherwise I'm gonna not be to happy about that down the road.

Could this scenario be why KC has shown so much interest in Ryan? Could it be that they want Atlanta to not take a chance with this and take Ryan at 3, and hopefully drop Dorsey to us at 5?

Or could it be that we are considering drafting Ryan? If you are going to invest in a QB it only makes sense to show a bit of interest in him.

I'd have no problem with that. But I would think if KC REALLY wanted him they wouldn't have sent everyone from the front office to check him out. You'd think if he's really the guy they want they'd keep that a little closer to their chest.

It makes no sense to tip your hand, especially not to the degree the Chiefs were with that dog and pony show they pulled at his BC workout. They're not going to draft him, they probably won't get the chance to begin with.

I actually don't agree with that because the only team that would take him ahead of them is Atlanta, the Chiefs sit in that "what's gonna fall to us spot" so they don't have to smoke screen that much...

There were also two other guy there the Chiefs may have been checking on. Cherilus could be there at the top of round 2, and Silva could be a late round pick that could be a player. Silva's play sort of reminds me of Sanders from the Colts.

That would be a huge risk, but I'd think long and hard about it if they made us the same offer. We're talking about 17 followed by four 2nd rounders and three 3rd rounders. That's Madden NFL franchise mode territory (if you could have that many picks in Madden).

With the depth of this draft in the 2+ range, this would be the year to do it. There's going to be some talent going in the 2nd and 3rd on Saturday/Sunday.

Every night this week, I have said an extra prayer to the Lord to not let us get Henne. :grovel: