ESPN's Clayton: Chiefs-Bills trade at #11?
 

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The Bills are reportedly looking at Michigan State WR Devin Thomas with the No. 11 overall pick. ESPN's John Clayton says Buffalo, which runs a Cover 2 scheme, is also eyeing cornerbacks with the selection. Clayton also suggests that the Bills might try to move out of the pick, possibly in a trade with Kansas City.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...fblog%2findex%

I'll give the Chiefs credit-they've got everybody bluffed this year. They've done a good job of being tight-lipped.

Move up to get Otah/Clady?

From this article, I'm reading that the Chiefs would move up to 11 from 17. Am I reading this wrong?

Going Long: If it comes down to a choice between defensive end Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, expect the Chiefs to go with Long. Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham used to coach Long's dad, Howie Long, and Chris is the type of hard worker that would fit their defense. Gholston might be the better athlete, but Long mirrors Allen for his hustle and aggressiveness. Odds favor him being the No. 5 choice in the draft -- if he's still there.

Trading places: Expect the Chiefs to actively shop for a trade that could put them into the top 12 of the draft in order to get one of the top offensive linemen. One possible trade partner could be the Buffalo Bills. With the 11th pick, the Bills are looking at wide receiver Devin Thomas and one of the three top small-college cornerbacks. By moving back, the Bills could maybe pick up a third-round pick and still have a choice of one cornerback and possibly Thomas.


huh? does he have teams confused in that 2nd paragraph?

Long/Gholston at 5; Clady at 11. I likey. What would we have to give up to move up six spots? I'm guessing one of our thirds?

That's how I read it, as well.

nope..

wtf, why cant i start a thread? and **** the bills!

ohhhhh...moving up from our 2nd first....got it

That could be cool.

Because this actually a Broncos board. We enjoy playing with you guys.

and **** the bills!

Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

****! This could prove to be one of the most exciting drafts for the Chiefs since I have been a fan and I will be out of town camping, for my birthday! :cuss:

That's what you get for being born, dummy.

Chris Williams

Move ahead of Denver to take Chris Williams is the more likely scenario instead of Clady IMO.

Two days until Christmas.

11 looks to be too high for devin thomas, so i can definately see this happening...clady at 11 wouldn't be so bad.

i like this ..... if someone is there at 11 then pull the trigger.


much better than trading down from 5 and "settling" for some guy to get an extra 4th round pick or something.

for williams, yeah...that would be hilarious

hope we don't trade up for clady

Branden Albert at 11

Ironically my friend, I was born the same year the Chiefs were last present in the 'Superbowl'....37 years and counting....:grr:

They want to be in front of Denver. Screw the Broncos. I hope we take their #1 and #2 guys at 11.

Trade back with the Pats or Jets and pick up a 2nd or 3rd, then move up from 17 to 11 by giving up a 3rd. I like that. I think I like 6th/7th and 11th better than 5th and 17th, and we get to essentially keep all of our picks in this scenario...

We'll use the pick we get from trading from 5 to 7 to move up to 11 from 17!

Very nice off season so far, even though I thought different 15 days ago.

why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?

:clap:

because if KC wants ellis and he is still on board...neither the jets or pats will take him, so by moving down a spot or 2, KC gets the player they want plus an extra pick...now if they want gholston and trade down they are reeruns, because that is who NE or the jets will likely be fighting over.

Because we could still get a top talent.

Let's say the board falls like this, which it definitely could:

1. Miami- J. Long
2. St. Louis- G. Dorsey
3. Atlanta- M. Ryan
4. Oakland- C. Long

we know the Jets like McFadden and the Patriots like Gholston, so in this scenario we would be assured of landing Ellis. Or at the worst, we would get Gholston.

Even if the Falcons take C. Long and then Oakland takes Gholston, then we could move back one spot and still take Ellis or Ryan. Seems like a win/win for us and we gain another pick in the top 3 rounds.

Good, I hope you guys move ahead of Denver and save Shanahan from himself by forcing him to take his 2nd option...

We won't.

And BTW, who are you assuming is the top talent in the draft?

More I think about, we move up to 11 it will be to take Albert.

It would be a good move too....there would be a DE/DT at 17 worth that pick, IMHO. :)

I'm hearing we're going to trade all 13 of our picks this year for every pick in next year's draft. Then next year we're going to trade the entire draft for the rights to every pick for the next 10 years. We'll dominate the NFL.

No, no, no - we would trade up with Buffalo from 17 to get Albert. At 5 we would get Ellis or Gholston.

No, in this scenario you would take Gholston and give the middle finger to anyone wanting to trade up.

That's awesome.

It's not for Albert, it's for Chris Williams. Denver loves Williams, and you guys should too.

If that's what it takes to lock him down, I'm all for it. Chris Williams needs to be our 2nd first round pick.

If KC were in the mood to move up, as GM I would try my hardest to "mortgage the future" and only surrender one pick in the 2008 Draft and throw in anything lower than a 2nd to make it palatable... That is of course if means we get a good value and not totally butt****ed in either the 09 or 10 draft.

Haha, just wait until after the draft when all the guru's give the Chiefs and F grade.

Yep. If Long, Dorsey, Ryan, and C, Long are gone - this is what I hope we do. Seems like a no brainer. That's what scares me though.

Shoot - I'f Ryan's gone, I'd take Gholston at # 5 no matter who's still there.

With the picks we have, as long as we don't screw them up too badly, I expect us to get a good grade this year for once.

I agree, no one has a clue what we're going to do. You've gotta hand it to them, they've played their hand well this year.

Yep, he screams "elite left tackle" to me.

your missing one thing though...KC loves Albert, not Williams

you want us to take williams so that he will take Stewart?

am i close?

Do you really believe the things you hear around draft time?

What makes you sure even they know what they're doing?

That's what Carl & Herm want you to believe.

We'll draft guys in the first round we haven't even talked to.

So according to this article as of March 10, we had over 30 million in cap room.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Now that is trimmed down. And we got rid of JA salary so we have more like 40 million. Add in two 1st round choices though at no 5 and 17. Those bonuses are about 30 million. Usually those bonus are spread out over some years but we do have the option of taking those hits this year.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...ingchart07.htm

Now you could say we are cheap. But historically the Chiefs have spent most of the money of the cap each year. It is just a sign of what we are doing.

But this should make it easy to get people into training camp.

That Clark Hunt is one cheap bastard
signs LJ and Tony G
now wants two high first rounders and their high signing bonuses

ESPN radio network?

Chris Williams should be an outstanding left tackle for years. I think he's better on the left than Long.

Don't worry- we'll keep the implosion going for you here at Chiefsplanet.

I'm hoping for a Sedrick Ellis/Chris Williams 1st round draft.

Lets trade our 1st in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, and rebuild our entire core in one day.

If we move up to 11 and he's there, the guy I want is Cromartie Rogers

Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

I'm guessing a third-rounder plus something else. 17 to 11 is 300 points.

We need bigger corners in this system.
I have a feeling OCs would toss right toward his ass.
He can't tackle.

I would be thrilled if we ended up with
5. Chris Long
11. ? Alberts

#17 and #66.

We only convert safeties, not guards. Jeez, get with the program.

Nice.

To move from #17 to #11 (300pt difference) we would likely need to give up #73 (225pts) and #105 (84pts).

O rly?

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Well if we're going to grab a safety I hope it's Reggie Smith out of Oklahoma.

Not interested for a 3rd AND 4th.

Stay put.

I don't think it's worth it either. One of the OT's or a better player will be there at #17.

Yep.

You've got Williams, Albert, Otah and Clady to pick from.

11 picks between the 5th and 17th.

IMO, the only teams that I'd worry about taking an OLman:

Denver
Carolina
Chicago

And Carolina would be foolish not to take either Harvey or Mendenhall with their pick if available.

One, if not two of those OLmen will be there.

Yep, I was looking at the order and those are the only 3 I'd expect to grab one. I would doubt Carolina would too since they have the tag on Jordan Gross. Chicago could go with a lot of different options.

First thing I thought when I read this was how fun it would be to take the LT that the broncos may want, right before them. Im not sure how I feel about Clady though. How does he stack up against Otah or Alberts once he is moved??

I could see NE taking Albert and Baltimore taking a linemen if Ryan is gone.

The nightmare scenario at 17 is if Albert, Clady (who I don't like), Otah, and Williams are all gone and McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie and Jenkins are gone, plus Harvey is also gone.

If we were picking in the top 16, we'd be guaranteed one of those guys even if Rivers falls out of the top 16 (which I think could happen)

But at 17, I think there's an outside chance that the top 5 OTs and the top 3 CBs are all off the board.

That would leave us choice of:
-- Taking a chance on Talib a CB.
-- Reaching for a linemen like Cherilus
-- Wasting a pick on Merling
-- Or surprising everyone by taking a WR or even a QB.

I think I'd rather see us move up from 17 to make sure we get one of those OL or CBs. I suppose by the 10th pick we'll have a good idea whether someone will fall down to us (if Rivers is still on the board after New Orleans, then I'll be worried).

Impossible

Highly likely that McFadden, Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, Long, Ryan, Albert, Clady, Williams, Otah, McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie, Jenkins, Harvey are all gone with teams passing on Rivers, Mendenhall, and Stewart.

Right. That's why we need to hear two names from out of Rivers, Mendenhall, Stewart, or Devin Thomas or a surprise name (like the Lions picking Mayo or AZ going for Felix Jones or something like that).