Wendy Nix: Edwards says no to Ryan
 

Herm told Nix something to the extent of "you can't expect a young QB to be successful without an OL, and the whole league knows we don't have the OL."

We're picking Ryan......

That's what I thought too.

Wendy Nix is hot.

No other player was mentioned, but she did say that they have every intention of trading back and targeting a OLman.

Hope that's bullshit as well.

If the Chiefs were honest with her we should all get ready to be pissed because that means we'll end up with like Clady..

From what I understand the Pats are going to take Gholston if they can if they can't get him they'll try to trade back and if they get stuck they'll take Albert.

Not I...

Trade back a few spots, get Ellis.
Then get either best OT or DE
Same
then CB and WR and G but not in that order.

Team would have a lot of hope with a good Dline, Oline and improved WR and CB's.

Remember last year when Herm told anyone that would listen that our WR corps was good and we didn't need a WR in the 1st round?

If anything, making that comment at this point tells me that we are seriously considering Matt Ryan.

The only thing that keeps me from breaking things right now is the old saying:

Never believe anything you hear or read within 48 hours of the draft.

If they really trade back they're gonna **** themselves, the Saints and Bengals are going to covet Ellis enough to move with Dorsey off the board.

+1

You really think they're gonna trade back to take ELLIS?

If tomorrow afternoon around 2:30-2:40 we hear "Kansas City has traded the 5th selection...."

It all but guarantees an offensive lineman is the pick, IMO.

Hopefully Herm is playing mind games with Baltimore. I'd love to see Ryan at #5.

Baltimore has no ability to move, their 3rd round pick is a comp pick which can't be traded.

If the Chiefs trade down mark Ellis off Cincy or NO will move for him, if they stay ahead of the other one the best players become OT reaches or Keith Rivers.

www.rotoworld.com

ESPN's Wendy Nix reports the Chiefs are unlikely to draft Boston College QB Matt Ryan if he's available at the No. 5 overall pick.

Nix says Kansas City brass doesn't feel it has the right pieces in place to support, let alone protect, a rookie quarterback. Nix also indicates that the Chiefs could angle to move down from the fifth spot. Coach Herm Edwards said Thursday that he wants 15 draft picks. The team currently has 13.

As would I.

I'm not sure which is real and which the smokescreen, the interest we obviously had when we showed up at his pro day, or the disinterest Herm showed last week.

My guess is that we want him, and the trade down talk is also smokescreen, as well as due diligence in the event he's gone before we pick.

I'm with you. I think we want him and will take him if he's available, but I'd bet that St. Louis takes Dorsey and Atlanta ends up taking Ryan. I hope I'm wrong.

I think the huge interest WAS the smokescreen.

When was the last time an organization sent eleventy-billion people to a player's pro day and then actually took him?

Hell, the Broncos didn't even INTERVIEW Jay Cutler, and still took him.

I think the supposed interest is to make teams think long and hard about trading up.

JMO.

Which team are they gonna smoke into trading? Baltimore basically can't move and the Chiefs moving basically takes the other best players out of their hands also.

I want Chris Long/Sedrick Ellis/or Glenn Dorsey at #5...even Vernon Gholston I suppose...nothing else.

I wouldn't mind trading back a few spots and gaining an extra 2nd...then we can use our early 3rd and combo it with the 17 and move up to the 11 and take Chris Williams...Ellis at #8 and Williams at #11 would be huge...and still have two 2nd's and two 3rd's...

We have the leverage to literally do ANYTHING...hopefully we have some creative minds working at 1 Arrowhead Dr. tomorrow...but I doubt it.

If that's the case, I think they did it backwards. They needed to show recent interest if that's the ploy, and it really is a smokescreen.

Go back and listen to Herm Friday:That to me is too low-key, which makes me suspicious. Herm is a very talkative guy. When he shuts up like that is when I think you have to pay attention, this time of year.

I went from the 'I won't be disappointed, but won't be happy with Matt Ryan at 5' to 'I really don't want Matt Ryan at 5' bandwagon a few days ago...

And Herm might be telling the truth...he knows everyone is playing poker, so he can tell the truth all he wants and people still won't believe him because of said tactic.

I think he would have said that about any player they asked about.

They've done a damn good job so far about keeping everyone guessing about what they're really going to do.

I don't think he'd get too chatty OR too quiet about a player and give anyone a clue this late.

Again, JMO.

They've done a better job. There were indications we'd take Hali in 2006 and Bowe last year. It's harder to tell this time around.

My gut just tells me they have genuine interest in Ryan, and there are going to be an awful lot of disappointed people here if he isn't taken at 3 or 4. Disappointed because KC took him at 5, that is to say.

I'm not saying that because it's what I want to happen, fwiw. That's just what my gut's telling me.

My gut's also telling me if they don't take Ryan, they're taking Henne at 17.

(And I hate, hate, hate that).

I don't think you're gonna be able to get Ellis at 8......you'd have the Bengals and Saints who both covet him offering tons of things to the Pats to move.

IIRC King Carl said the same thing earlier this week, though he was saying why one of the other teams (Atlanta?) wouldn't take a QB.

I've had the exact same evolution. I really like Matt Ryan and think he'll succeed. I just don't think it's the right time for KC to take their franchise QB.

This is sort of a separate issue from Ryan, but if there's one in the draft, I'd say this is the perfect time for KC to take a flyer on a franchise QB. They have 13 picks, which means they can rebuild their line and acquire their QBotF this year, a luxury they will probably never, ever have again. Bench the QB as a rookie (which IMO all teams should do), give the new line a year to mature with Croyle/Huard taking the punishment, and then start the new 'savior' in 2009. And if Croyle plays well (not likely IMHO, but certainly possible), we're in a situation where he'd have great trade value in 2009, an offseason which will feature what might be the worst crop of QBs we've seen to date in the draft. The QBotF gets his feet wet in 2009 and then we're primed for a playoff run in 2010.

Those 6 high picks give them a ton of flexibility.

That's really bad logic, under that teams like the Colts or anyone that took a QB 1 shouldn't have because "our whole team is bad it wasn't the right time"

Ryan/Ravens...ESPN is reporting the Baltimore Ravens are willing to move up in the draft to take the one player they covet - Boston College QB Matt Ryan.

-say hello to Kyle Boller

Couldn't agree more. That's why I'm hoping its BS.

My asshole is reporting that I have to take a shit. More to come.

Please be true, please be tr--PLEASE DON'T BE TRUE, PLEASE DON'T BE TRUE

You're into fat chicks?

It's the prefect time. We need to build this thing right for a change. Spend the big dollars on the QB instead of the TE position this time. (FWIW, that is not a bash at TG either... just the best player on offense should be the QB not the TE)

dude, why in the name of Len Dawson would you possibly want to spend millions on a younger version of DHuard? Mutt Ryan is a noodle-armed INT machine. Just because he's the best QB in a horrible QB draft class doesn't make him a franchise QB. You cant polish a turd and drafting that stinker would set this team back another 4 years.
It's OLine, early and often. Otherwise, you could have Peyton Manning back there and he'd still get killed. Mutt Ryan is nothing more than a future backup in this league. And the worst possible choice for this team.

We will have to disagree. I happen to think if Ryan was playing with a betteer cast of characters around him, he would already be signed by the Dolphins.

And FWIW, if we pass on Ryan, I would not be upset at all if we take Brohm. Maybe a little trade back from #17 and pick him up around 25 if it works out.

I agree.

right on brother

Dude we will have a top 5 pick next year, and maybe the year after that. Ryan isnt worth a top 5 pick. I dont think he's even worth a top 15. Next year's QB class will have better talent than Matt Ryan. I would rather us take Brohm in the 2nd than waste the #5 pick on a QB who threw a ton of INT's in college.

Unfortunately, this is wrong. Next year's QB class is absolutely terrible. Who's there next year better than Ryan? Not Tebow. Uh... Sam Bradford? Absolutely not. There's, like, nobody.

From what I've read, Ryan didn't have a lot of talent to work with, and tried to force a lot of throws.

Now I can only speculate, and someone else might know, but if Ryan is as smart as he's reputed to be, then I'm betting a few of those picks are on the receivers.

Where did I say "draft Ryan"? The very first thing I said was that it was a separate issue from Ryan. All I said was if the Chiefs believe one of these quarterbacks is a franchise player, they need to do whatever it takes to draft him. Including Ryan, like it or not, but also including Brohm, Henne, and so forth. If they feel that strongly about one of them, they absolutely must take him. Because they have a full complement of draft picks, including 3 in the first 35. Because they have the ammunition to both rebuild the offensive line and grab a quarterback to sideline in 2008 and put on the field in 2009. If there's any year tailor-made for picking a QB high, and by that I mean at 5, at 17 or at 35, this is it.

***if and only if they believe one of them is a franchise QB***

Like who? NFLN and ESPN guys are all saying that next year's QB class will suck.