My grade of our first day: C+
 

I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day.

You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had.

But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding.

Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one.

we didnt give up two we swapped thirds.

as for the overall comment, i loved this day 1 draft! maybe that makes me crazy :shrug:

We didn't give up two picks for Albert. Unless you're counting the #17 pick.

I knew you'd hate today - it went nothing like you wanted it to, lol!

You're high.

We gave up 88pts on the draft value to move up to 15 from 17 which is a point difference of 100pts. So we didn't exactly mortgage the farm for him.

How bout Duane Brown going in the first? And you said I reached

We didn't give up two picks. All we did was move back 10 spots in the 3rd round and kick in a 5th rounder. That's nada.

Albert doesn't last to 15 if he had played most of his time in college at tackle. The dude is 6'7", 320 lbs., insanely quick on his feet, and absolutely punishes defenders in the open field. He could definitely end up being the best lineman to come out of this draft.

The Chiefs swapped poistions in the first round (17 to 15) and the third round (66 to 76) and gave up a 5th round pick to take Albert.

Three years from now, you'll be changing that C+ to having multiple orgasms with the hot substitute teacher. And the best part is- she doesn't get caught and you're all smiles.

Dude I shocked to see this from you of all people.

Dorsey was a great pick, a franchise pick that you don't get to make very often. I don't know why you are so down on Albert. I look at it this way, Steve Hutchison was drafted with the 17th pick in 2001. He was strictly a guard. So we grab Albert at 15, and if he is strictly a guard I think the pick still has a lot of value. Now I believe he will be a great LT. Bringing him in at LT next to Brian Waters gives us a huge left side of the line to pass protect and to carve out holes for LJ. And don't forget that means we upgraded at RT by moving McIntosh over there.

We swapped 3rd round pick (Moved down 10 spots) and gave them a 5th.

I'd rather have Albert over William, Clady, Otah and the rest of the bunch.

Watching a little of the highlight films for Branden Albert, I feel good about it. He really does have a Roaf-like build, and if you saw the film of him pulling you know he can move. Very athletic, as someone said on another thread, also has a basketball background. I don't think he should have a real big problem.

As for Flowers, you know I haven't been too thrilled about his character either. With the interest the Chiefs have had though, and the fact that they took him...shows to me that those flaws aren't an issue for them. Here's to hoping their right.

A+ so far.

Hope we can get a WR, DE, G, and another corner that can all produce.

Grades now are meaningless.

This thread is worse than AIDS.

Somebody needs attention.

"Hey everyone, I think our draft sucked! Look at me!!! I'm the wacky contrarian!!!! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA"

i give you a C-

So, what you are REALLY saying here....is.....that.....you....are a....the-glass-is-"half-empty" sort of guy? :shrug:

;)

Flowers character issues are overblown...

No, I don't think that's it at all.

He hated my mock draft for the Steelers, in large part, because I took Albert at 23 with the intention of moving him to tackle.

He thinks that taking a player with that kind of project in the first round is bad strategy.

I would agree with him in most cases, but I've thought for a long time, before the "experts" started talking about that Albert was a tackle.

Boo. Hoo.

"I spent the last 8 months making mocks every single day and it didn't go ANYTHING like I thought. This draft SUCKS".

fucking nut up, Dude. You don't work in the NFL. It's no skin off your back.

But he posted a friend's picture of a pile of money on his Facebook! How can he recover from that?

I mean is that running back who took a shit in someone closet can recover I'm sure he can.

Exactly the point I was going to make. Why is Shaun Alexander not a Seahawk anymore? Because they let Hutchinson get away. It was a colossal **** up by the Hawks. Albert is a no lose situation IMO. He either works out as a solid LT, or probably becomes the best G in the game in the next 5 years. Basically, we got heads on a 2 headed quarter. WPI is free to use that last line and claim it as their own.

He also absolutely killed me over taking Joe Flacco in the 2nd round. They took him in the first. Mr. Flopnuts is VINDICATED!!!!!!1!!!!!!!

It almost compares to SUPER AIDS

I still want Oher on the 2009 KC Chief squad though

Well, this certainly deserved its own thread.

Me too. Slide McIntosh or Albert back in and have the offensive line this franchise has been known for.

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This thread made the baby Jesus cry.

I really cannot believe that someone wouldn't be thrilled with what we did today. We got 3 guys that will start from day 1.....that.....is......huge.

ROFL awesome

And not simply because there's nobody in front of them...

As long as he wasn't watching his baby Einstein DVD's, I *think* that's okay

I'm really really surprised that you didn't like this draft. What more could we have done?

Direckshun, I really like you and respect your opinion, but you should at least show up to defend your opinion. People have brought up good points in this thread. It was a solid day. C+ is way too harsh...

I feel a lot better about you and I disagreeing about most everything in the mock draft thread. Our day is an A at worst and most likely an A+.

WTF?
 

R U OK? "sloppy decision making?" ....... FYI Probably the BEST day 1 draft in recent memory. Hate to be graded on your teaching scale.

I think I've figured out who Chiefmanwillgetyou's is an alt of.

When I thought we'd be might be getting Jake Long (early in the offseason) or Ryan Clady/Jeff Otah, I was all over the idea of Oher in '09.

But I have been pimping Albert as an OT for a while now, though I didn't want to reach for him at 5.

I think he's going to be the best LT, along with Chris Williams, in this draft.
A potential perennial pro bowler.

That, combined with my belief that Herb Taylor is going to surprise most here and prove to be a really good RT, going into next year's draft, I won't be salivating over the prospect of drafting Oher like I would have been otherwise.

:spock:

I love the tag function. LMAO

+1

The sky is falling and everything. Gloom and doom awaits.

First day I give an A. Second day so far, an F-. No DE, OT, WR, CB taken in rd3? That's just beyond stupid.

Dont worry. With the number one pick next year he'll be available. Trouble is, The King will probably draft another S.

Die-erection
tokes penis on this subject

wtf were you on when you posted this mr C+??

Dorsey easily gets you an A!

Day 1 gets an A from me with little hesitation.
I'm a bit surprised by Day 2 to this point, but still fairly pleased.
I absolutely love our last pick. Will Franklin is the type of receiver who can really complement Dwayne Bowe. Great size/speed combination.

We have time yet to find a Guard, Defensive End, Fullback and Kicker.

idiot

I heard another Mizzou fan say he drops the ball as much as he catches it.

Will Franklin is not a #2 wr. No way.

LOL

Great thread. I appreciate the feedback, especially the tags. "Democrats always wrong" is total win.

I put this thread in this forum so I couldn't become an attention whore. As for all the people disagreeing with me, I dearly hope you're right.

Goes to show we're all pretty much blind midgets when it comes to how this Draft is going to shake up.

Ah. Yes.

I will show up to defend my opinion. Ask anyone here, I don't plant and run -- most people say I stick around too long to make a point.

I was just out and about last night at a Draft party and Royals game. So if there's any impression that I'm scared of dissent, forget it.

If anything, this is going to make the lead up to the 2009 NFL Draft very fun, as I'll be reminded about 2,000 times how wrong I've been this year.

Not to pile on, but day one was an "A". THREE STARTERS, that could become elite at their position is huge. All three have that upside.

Honestly, I didn't like throwing picks for Albert. The trade in the 3rd, the 5th we sacrificed, we really needed for what are now turning out to be gargantuan holes in our pass rushing and offensive line.

I would have waited to #17 and taken Otah.

As far as our #35, I really like Flowers on the field, but we just traded a guy away because of drug abuse, and here we are drafting a guy who poses to be a drug dealer on Facebook, during Draft season.

We can find good Cover 2 corners later in the Draft, a 2nd was unnecessary. Especially when Groves and Hardy were still on the board.

JMO.

A C+? WTF is wrong with some of you people? This is just reeruned.

But where?

We could have gotten guys that would start on Day One at WR, OT, and DE.

Instead we opt for a CB and an interior lineman that most believe will excel at OT, but nobody's sure. If all we get out of that pick is a great interior lineman, we could have got that much later.

Needless to say, I thought it was a lousy move by the Ravens.

But you are vindicated.

This is something I'm 100% sure I'll be reminded of in a year. ;)

WTF

This isn't pride issues, moron. I don't care how wrong I was. I don't care if I'm a genius or a moron. At the very least I was entertained for the winter and a few others were entertained as well.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I disagree with most here, simple as that.

I'm absolutely certain I'm going to get hazed next year. That's what I'm looking forward to.

Nobody in the Draft planet thought Brown was worth that, though.

I don't disagree about Dorsey.

Albert's the big risk here.

It'd be one thing if we dropped our 17th on him, which I still wouldn't have been thrilled about doing for a guard.

But if we traded away an additional pick, and swapped thirds, for a guard, Albert would have been a mistake. The only way this is a good pick is if he starts OT on Day One (hopefully LT, but that's wishful thinking), and does well.

Well, just my opinion, but my money says he's starting at LT day one, and anchors the line for the next 10+ years.

But, given that I was pimping him as an OT before anyone, I imagine that opinion doesn't surprise you.

It doesn't surprise me, and **** me, if you're right about that I can totally vouch for your rightness and my wrongness.

If he does start LT on opening day, that alone justifies the pick and the trade-up for the pick.

But I wouldn't trade for a guard almost ever, especially in the first. So I hope he's at OT, otherwise we just committed a Chiefs-like blunder the likes of which I'll scorn about until you people hate me anew.

WTF? It was a 5th rounder. We still had a 5th. Albert is a stud.
Day 1 is an A+. You're being ridiculous.

Ironically, often you can Draft a stud guard in the fifth.

Direckshun, Albert was rated as a top 10 talent by many people. I don't care about some stupid mantra that you don't draft a guard in the first round.
First of all, we're going to play him at tackle.
And second of all, even if he is a guard, you take a top ten talent when you can get him at 15. Passing on that talent makes no sense, any way I look at it.
Following silly mantras or rules of thumb is a good way to eff yourself in the b when it leads you to pass on good talent when its there.

Bullshit. Albert is in no way, shape or form a "risk".

WTF are you smokin'? Seriously?

The guy AT WORST is Will Shields, jr. He'll start for 10 years at right guard and go to multiple Pro Bowls. At best he's a stud left tackle who will start for the next 10 years. He's athletic, has great feet, a passion for football and is excellent in space.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't pick Will Shields at #15 overall?

JFC.

I would pick Will Shields, but that's because Will Shields went to 13 straight Pro Bowls and is a first-ballot hall of famer.

Call me crazy, just absolutely nuts, but I don't assume like you do that Albert will go to 13 pro bowls and become a first ballot hall of famer. I don't assume that about anyone. Players like that virtually don't exist, and I don't know if Albert is that guy. How can you ever know?

Albert become a Top Ten prospect in the offseason. He just flew up charts after combine numbers etc etc. I wasn't sold on it like anybody else was.

I'll repeat it again, if he opens the season at LT, I was wrong. If he opens the season at OG, I'll still dislike the pick. I may just hate it. We'll see.

You can't know, but when you have a guy very highly rated on your board, and a lot of people also rate him highly (Philly was trying to nab him there, too), you don't pass on him just because some rule of thumb about guards in the first round.
Plus, a lot of people acknowledge that he has the potential to be a very good tackle.

Hell I acknowledge that.

I just don't have the faith in our coaching to bring it out of him.

I didn't say he'd be guaranteed to go to 13 straight Pro Bowls - I said he's Will Shields, jr. If he goes to three Pro Bowls, the guy is a great pick. Hell, if he goes to ONE Pro Bowl, the guy is a great pick.

I just think you're looking at this all wrong. Complaining about giving up a five (in a year in which the Chiefs had TWO) is ridiculous.

Are you telling me you'd be happier with Otah? Because if the Chiefs hadn't given up that 5, that's who'd be penciled in at LT. And personally, I think that Albert will be special.

I can't say the same for Otah.

:)

Otah would have been a fine RT later on. If we drafted him early to put him in at LT, I would puke.

So not only did you "not have faith" in the previous offensive regime, with absolutely no proof, you have no faith in Chan Gailey and his offensive assistants?

WTF dude? Are you just Mr. Negative or what?

We get a starting LT, who some think is the best LT prospect in the draft-we only give up a 5th rounder and some aren't happy? Watch the tape and then tell me how bad the pick is-the guy is ****ing phenomenal and has tremendous upside.

How much later? 30 picks?

He went 4 picks after the Chiefs selected Albert.

That's certainly not "later on".

The Chiefs made the right move, yet people still complain. :shake:

I guess some people feel the need to bitch, just to bitch.

I don't think that's the case here.

Direckshun is on record, a month or more, ago, that he didn't like the idea of drafting Albert in the first round.

He's stuck to that opinion until now.

The fact that he's sticking to his opinion is fine with me.

He's one person who has the right to complain on this, cause he's been consistent in that opinion.