Would you have Drafted differently?
 

I'm not necessarily saying I'd do things differently, but here's an idea I thought I'd float out there:

Assuming the rest of the Draft played out the way it did...

1. DT Glenn Dorsey
1. OT Jeff Otah (no trade up)
2. DE Quentin Groves
3. MLB Dan Connor
3. WR Early Doucet
3. DB Tyvon Branch
4. C Kory Lichtensteiger
5. OG Roy Schuening
5. QB Josh Johnson
6. OT Barry Richardson
6. DE Chris Harrington
7. CB Wilroy Fontenot
7. RB Allen Patrick

1 QB
1 RB
1 WR
4 OL
3 DL
1 LB
2 CB

*scratches head* It's really hard to complain about the Draft we ended up with.

Coming from the guy who rated our first day a C or C-. It's not surprising you would change our picks.

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Early Doucet sucks.

Otah is a RT. I'm glad we have Albert.

I'm also glad we went with Flowers.

I like Conner and would love to replace Harris, but I think Charles is too hard to pass up there too.

Doucet and extra OL are a plus.

I thought they might take Conner there, but I have no complaints with Charles.

Also, they must be content with the bodies we have on the OL, to have only taken 2.

Ok...I'll do it like this then. I'm not able to draft any of the people that we drafted after the 1st round.

1a. Glenn Dorsey - DT
1b. Brandon Albert - OT
2. James Hardy - WR
3a. Reggie Smith - CB/S
3b. Antwuan Molden - CB
3c. Craig Stevens - TE
4. Tashard Choice - RB
5. Carl Nicks - OT
6a. Taylor Melhaff - K
6b. Chris Harrington - DE
7a. Adrian Arrington - WR
7b. Geoff Schwartz - OG

Dan Connor doesn't fit the Chiefs defense at all........I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand that.

To play MLB in a cover to you have to be able to drop deep in coverage and be good at it, that is his biggest weakness. Connor isn't a 3 down LB either, he's a 2 down thumper.

Basically picking Connor would have been taking his biggest weakness and asking him to do it all the time as his job.

yea isnt that why we got rid of Kawicka Mitchell, because his cover skills were shit

Oh, my bad %(/...well he sure had some of these mockers fooled, if he wasn't taken 'til the 3rd. I didn't see 1 mock that didn't have him as late 1st early 2nd.

Besides, I want one of the MLBs in next years draft. :rockon: And I don't give a **** if they fit the cover 2 or not.

I was EXTREMELY upset about the 3rd round....the first 2 picks had me throwing shit across the room. DaJuan Morgan quieted me down a bit but those first 2 picks were throways. Jamal Charles type guys are luxuries which we can't afford and the TE goes against everything that Herm preaches about the draft....He hasn't produced, has had more surgeries than touchdowns, and if he doesn't run a 4.6 he's more of a 7th round guy.

We'll see, there's a reason Doucet fell, it also doesn't help that he's short and he's not fast. He'll look really good playing the slot with the best WR tandem in the league but I'm not exactly sure he's anything more than a slot.

the only real moment where the draft could have changed, imo, was in the second with Brohm sitting there...

i could certainly understand taking that shot....part of me still wishes we would have...hell, Green Bay has a better young QB than us and they took him...

otherwise, its just personal preference...i'm sure lots of people would taken someone besides Cottam etc...

that's where I disagree, you can never have enough talent...and Charles was clearly a better talent than any OL left at that point...

RBs get injured all time...and this guy gives a home run threat we lacked with potential to grow...

i love that more every day

That's the same excuse Okland would give for their decision to acquire a team full of high priced free agents and combine superstars at every position except for defenisve and offensive line. "You can never have enough speed or talent at the skill positions".

More often then not that approach gets you nowhere. What yo udont hear about is how New England traditionally drafts more offensive lineman year in and year out than any team - there is something to be learned from that approach.

The Chiefs have drafted as many or more offensive linemen as the Patriots have over the last 5 years.

where in my post did I advocate signing "high priced FA" and "combine superstars"?

are you high?

i didn't do the last 3 picks. I love our draft, especially the first day. I think our team lacks any depth in the interior line so I drafer two guards

1a. Glenn Dorsey - DT
1b. Brandon Albert - OT
2. Brandon Flowers - CB
3a. Jamaal Charles – RB
3b. Jeremy Zuttah – OG
3c. DaJuan Morgan - S
4. Kenny Iwebema - DE
5. Roy Schuening, - OG
6a. Taylor Melhaff - K

i might of traded up for OT chris williams intead of albert but i'm not adamant about it.

other than that the 1st day stays as is

the 2nd day however could of be "tweaked"

surely we could find someone to handle the tightend blocking duties without spending a 3rd rounder on it. i would of looked for another OL,DE,CB or WR there.

Cottam may work out, but I like Doucet at that spot. Intangables of having another LSU guy as we're trying to build a cohesive unit would be a plus.

BTW I think Flowers can be a pro-bowler in this D.

I would have rather taken that kid from Cal instead of Cottam. He went shortly thereafter.

Nobody wants to admit they would have done it differently than the guru rated A+ draft. If we are being honest, without looking up all the picks and who was available, I probably would have stayed put and taken Otah, would have taken Brohm in the 2nd, I would have tried to address WR, CB and OL in the 3rd, McGlynn in the 4th.

I would have probably done something similar to this. I went strictly BPA, which is why there are two safeties there, but both would be better than what we have now, and would allow us to cut/trade Wesley and cut McGraw. Yes, we lose Jamaal Charles in this, but this would also upgrade the middle of our T2 with what I think could be three Pro Bowl caliber players (Smith, Morgan and Dorsey).

Assuming the 1st round tradeup was not inevitable, I would have gone:

1a. Glenn Dorsey, DT
1b. Brian Brohm, QB
2. Limas Sweed, WR
3a. Roy Scheuning, G
3b. Kory Lichtensteiger, C
3c. Anthony Collins, OT
4. Dwight Lowery, CB
5a. Andy Studebaker, LB
5b. Owen Schmitt, FB
6a. Taylor Melhaff, K
6b. Colt Brennan, QB
7a. Chris Harrington, DE
7b. Eric Young, G

Why cut McGraw? He's a solid special teams guy, plays well when called upon, is a smart player, and a character veteran in the locker room.

I think if Brandon Flowers is off the board there's a good chance they look at Brohm. I made no secret that I was hoping we'd pick him up in the 2nd, but it's hard to argue when you have a guy on the board that would've went top 15 if not for a bad combine 40 yd time at a position of serious need no less.

"Direckshun is a pedophile" "Direckshun guzzles my cum" "Direckshun is reeruned" et al.

im not bitching about our best draft in 10 years

I don't think you can assume the rest of the draft plays out the same way. Taking different players off the board inherently changes teams' draft boards. Also, part of the draft is taking a player you like not knowing if he'll be available next round or even in a few picks (i.e. KC trading up 2 spots to get Albert who MIGHT have been available 2 picks later).

I love the Charles pick, but I have to agree with you on Cottam, that was against the philosphy that Herman ****ing Edwards preaches.

That was a head scratcher for sure, and I would have gone with Zuttah.

Because he doesn't have 1/10th the talent that either of those two rookies do, and the point of rebuilding is to get better.

That is an awful, awful draft. I love Lichtensteiger, but he's a 6th round pick at best...we're just lucky Denver took him in the 4th. You picked Brohm 40 places above where he went, Sweed can't run routes, you should never draft fullbacks or kickers...just ugh.

That's a purely need-based draft and it's why we are in the position we currently are.

I was working from the basis that I didn't have hindsight, so I picked guys where I, Rain Man GM, would've picked them.

Give them a couple of years, and you'll see my genius.


And as a clarification, I'm not panning the Chiefs draft with this. I'm just saying that I, as a visionary and brilliant GM, would've gone with these guys.

No, i dont have 1 complaint with this draft.

Its Herms best yet.

Totally agree!! Nobody knows what LJ is gonna look like when we hit TC. Anybody willing to roll the dice that LJ is fine, and risk a full season of Kolby Smith as a feature workhorse is friggin nuts!!

Junior-59 catches for 772 yards and 8 touchdowns. Senior- 57 Receptions, 525 Yards, and 5 TD's. Yes, he sucks. Horrible numbers for a 2nd or 3rd receiver. :spock:

I believe that this draft was the best in KC Chiefs history. I do think some picks were crappy like the Merrit kid and Will Franklin. I say we couldve gotton Booty Flynn or Johnson in those rounds. The pick that made me mad the most was Merritt. We dont need 4 TE's. But overall Id give KC an A-

You were most pissed off about a 7th round TE?

I'd have to say that the 1961 draft that included EJ Holub, Jim Tyrer, Jerry Mays, and Fred Arbanas was a pretty good one.

Although, technically, that was while still the Dallas Texans.

All part of the core that played in two SBs.

Also included in that draft was Bob Lily, who signed with the Cowboys, and Curtis McClinton, who was pretty productive in his short time.

Or 1963 with Buck Buchanan, Ed Budde, and Bobby Bell.

it's like they lost their focus or something on day 2 :shrug:

What do you think is a bad pick honestly?

My question to people is, "Would you really have drafted all of the exact same players?" It's not an indictment of the Chiefs to say that you would have drafted some different players. I think a fun exercise would be to have everyone pretend they were GM, draft people who were available at or after each Chiefs pick, and then we'll come back in a year and see who would've had the best draft.

To me, it just looks like a purely need-based draft. You managed to fill all the main holes, and you took guys way above where they actually went. It just reminded me of something the Vermeil teams would have done.

The guy on NFLDC was ripping on the 3rd round picks because they weren't major needs.....I like how they won't rip certain teams either.

Doucet wasn't the value that Charles or Morgan were in the third round.

Not even close.

Sometimes, I really think that people here either didn't watch the Chiefs last year or they've forgotten that they lack talent and depth.

While it's *possible* that Doucet (even though he's small and slow) may turn into a decent NFL receiver at some point (and he had nagging injuries all last year), it's *likely* that Charles will see significant playing time this year. LJ is coming off an injury, Smith had a problem staying healthy, which is why we saw people like Gilbert fucking Harris run the ball.

Is that what you're advocating? Develop a slow, small receiver with a history of injuries instead of taking the stud RB who had a first round grade?

Sorry, I hate your draft. HATE.

Otah doesn't have nearly the athleticism as Albert (or talent), Connor doesn't fit the scheme, Doucet is small, slow and has a history of injuries, Lichtensteiger is a project and doesn't fit the scheme, Josh Johnson is a MAJOR project and the 7th round players don't stand a chance.

The Chiefs drafted players that will contribute and at least 4 or 5 stand to be home runs. Pro Bowl players (Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Morgan & Charles).

Your draft reeks of "potential".

I HATE "potential".

I want to show you guys something a draft site listed before the draft "top 10 values for where they are expected to be picked" guess who 2 of those guys were...

Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas, 2nd Round
This guy is too good to be a 2nd round talent. The only reason Charles could drop into the 2nd round is because of the strong depth at running back in the NFL Draft. If Charles would have stayed in college, he would be the top 2009 NFL Draft running back prospect. Running a 4.38 40 only showed more proof that this guy is for real if his 1,619 rushing yards, 18 touchdowns, and 6.3 yards per carry was not proof enough. I will be rooting for Charles on draft day, but at the same time be bitter toward aggressive agents who persuade these kids to leave school early only for them to sacrifice millions of dollars.

Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson – late 4th to early 6th Round
Richardson probably is suffering from Brian Brohm syndrome, where his stock has dropped after deciding to stay in college. Richardson has great size at 6-7, 338 lbs. and was a four year starter for Clemson, but many analysts are saying “lacks the intensity.” Well for Richardson that is good news because that’s one weakness that he can improve on, unlike height and a vast change in 40 speed. If Richardson has that light bulb come on in his head and plays like the giant beast that he can, then he will be a phenomenal steal. Physically, Richardson is everything you want from an offensive tackle.

The more I read about our draft the more impressed I am with it. And I thought it was killer by the end of Sunday.....

Dan Connor played the pass extremely well in college. He had way more interceptions and passes defended than Rivers did overall and statistically he did better each year, whether he was playing inside or out. Also, his ability to play both the middle and outside made him more likely to be a three down linebacker.

JMO.

NFL teams pretty much told you which one is better. And way, way better is their verdict.

Or someone who had the Dolphins in the planet mock.

I'm not claiming Connor is better than Rivers. I'm asking Mecca to explain how Connor is a two down back when he appeared to play the pass very well. And the statistics back that up. So did his play on the field.

I thought he would have been a good fit.

Count me in the group that was hoping for Early Doucet with that second third round pick. I know, I know -- he's short and slow -- but I think he'll be a productive possession receiver in the NFL and he'd be penciled in as a starter for us from day 1.

So I guess Doucet over Cottam and/or an OL with the last pick (since I think we could have signed Merritt as UDFA), but that's a really minor quibble.

I also give the FO credit for a couple of things -- picking Richardson in the 7th (if we had picked him 4th or 5th, I doubt anyone here would have minded), pulling the trigger on DeJuan Morgan even though safety is not our biggest area of need (that guy was easily BPA at that point in the draft), and drafting a potential kick returner. Drafting a pure KR late isn't something I thought about before the draft, but it makes a lot of sense.

Maybe if the Vermeil teams had extra brains grafted onto their shoulders from Nobel prize-winning physicists.

My draft represents the best of America. It would return us to the playoffs this year, and then probably a Super Bowl in 2009 once everything gels.

Connor could play cover two. Mecca is FOS on this one. This is taken from a recent article...."The Chiefs also considered Penn State linebacker Dan Connor at the 73rd spot but felt they were deeper at that position than running back." Hmmm.
Link...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10805234/2

Lacks fluid hips to turn and run in man coverage....A little rigid and mechanical..

That's what I want in my cover 2 MLB who is basically asked to cover 30 yards pretty consistently in pass coverage.

I doubt they were considering Conner as a MLB.

Connor can play outside, too, but the entire point is, he can play the 4-3. Here's more proof that Mecca is FOS on this and just can't admit it...
Dan Connor, LB, Carolina Panthers: The key to the Panthers defense hinges on the play of the linebackers, and Connor gives them a playmaker to offset the loss of oft-injured Dan Morgan in the middle. Although Connor's position has yet to be defined, his ability to play inside or outside gives defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac the option of sliding Jon Beason over to weak-side linebacker in their base defense. With Connor in the middle flanked by Thomas Davis and Beason on the edges, the Panthers have the speed to clog up running lanes in their 4-3 defense.

That isn't contrary to anything mecca has ever said about Connor.

I believe he even said Connar is a good fit for the Panthers.

He just doesn't believe that Connar is a good fit in the Chiefs cover two.

Our first and second rounds were exactly as I would have done. I would have taken Early Doucet and maybe Carl Nicks with Charles in round 2. I think we could have gotten Cottam in round 4. Other than that I don't think they could have done any better.

I think you mean round 3, not round 2.

Additionally, Nicks went in round 5 so why would you give up a three for him? That's the same kind of ass-backwards logic that led to the Chiefs talent-depleted roster in the first place. On top of that, the Chiefs were never interested in him at any spot.

Too many character issues.

Regardless, Richardson in the 6 will prove to be a steal.

Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense. Mecca is flat-out wrong about Connor, saying he can't play in the scheme-it's proven that he can. No big deal, just want to set the record straight.

Yes, a cover two can be part of the 4-3 package, but it is not the base defense for the Panthers.

The 4-3 is the base defense for the Chiefs.

I think you are getting some things mixed up BigChieffan. 4-3 just means 4 down lineman and 3 backers. Cover 2 is a coverage term. For a middle linebacker, you have to have the ability to drop deep into coverage. While at the same time have the speed to reconize the run. Ideally you want a Derrick Brooks, Jonathan Vilma, EJ Henderson type.

I wonder where the chiefs were projecting him to play when they were considering him at 73, inside or outside? It would be interesting to find that out.

Just wondering.

This is what I said...Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense.

I don't know how you get that I'm confused on the matter, I'm not. Connor played in the 4-3, will play in the 4-3 for Carolina and all Mecca told us was he wouldn't work in that scheme-he obviously WILL, so I pointed it out.

Just because a 4-3 and the Tampa two both employ 4 down linemen and 3 backers doesn't mean they have the same responsibilities in both looks. What Mecca and others have tried to tell you and you have ignored is that in the Tampa two the mike backer is responsible for a lot more ground in coverage than in a 4-3 so that the safeties can more effectively cover the soft spots behind the CBs zones. So he needs to be able to turn and run in coverage because the safeties are going to be split out from the middle. And that is exactly the weak part in his game, in a normal 4-3 the safeties are going to be for that middle ground in coverage.

I still don't know about the other Dtackle spot. I didn't see enough.

Espn raved about Washington redskins pick of OT in the 3rd round.