Is this kind of Draft repeatable?
 

Is there any chance we can have this kind of a Draft effort from the Chiefs every year?

What would you examine the odds as being?

Quality yes, I think Kuharic will continue to lead us by rating the draft board.

Quantity no, unless we just keep trading players every year.

The effort can be there but we'll need to be as shitty as we were last season, every season for good position.

Maybe, but I don't think there's any way the Chiefs can achieve the same perceived success they had this year, year after year. Would people be as thrilled about this draft if it looked like this:

1) Brandon Alberts
2) Brandon Flowers
3) Jamaal Charles
4) Will Franklin
5) Brandon Carr
6) Barry Richardson
7) Brian Johnston

I'd imagine that there would be a lot of people who would consider it a solid (maybe great) draft, but it wouldn't encounter near-universal acclaim like the Chiefs actual draft did. And most of those picks are taken at the top of their respective rounds.

You can't get Dorsey's every year for two pretty obvious reasons: (1) Hopefully the Chiefs won't be drafting in the top 5 every year, and (2) you can't count on the teams ahead of you letting a guy like that slip every year.

I think Kuharic is probably a big contributor, but I think the biggest factor is the team's commitment to taking a longer term perspective and building through the draft. I think that's Herm. As the team improves, I'd expect that philosophy to evolve into the kind of "get the final pieces" mentality that was here when Vermeil's philosophy ruled the day. JMO.

I suspect that we'll have a chance to emulate a draft like that next year. We'll probably end up picking in the top 8. Now, we don't have a lot of valuable trade pieces, so the odds of getting another first are effectively nil, and we can't move LJ or Tony.

This type of draft is duplicatable if you duplicate the number of picks. The following would be more realistic:

Consider since he was selected at the top of the 2nd Flowers is basically another first round pick so in order to be completely realistic as far as expectations you'd have to eliminate him since you're not gonna be picking that high very often.

We could've had potentially the same type of draft numberswise next year if we would have traded down in the first and picked up New Orlean's first. We could then take that pick and trade either TonyG or Brian Waters (who will be bitching about a new contract soon enough) next offseason and at a minimum pick up an additional 3rd rounder.

Agree with that.

This draft was a perfect storm of sorts, a convergence of different factors that all seemed to come together and then go our way on Saturday.

You can say that they can still follow the board the way they did this year, and while I agree with that, too, I also believe the number of draft picks itself allowed them to draft that way. It's easier to ignore perceived needs early when you know you have 8 or 9 picks left.

Did I fall asleep and miss several seasons of high productivity? Let's go back and read what we were saying about Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims before we anoint this as a great draft.

Hmm. Well, they should be able to reproduce their C+ first day. ;)

LMAO

Oh MAN, I'm going to hear a LOT of that for god knows how long.

It's all in good fun dude.

Were you drinking that night? You've raved over the draft since then. What happened?

I think so, but as mentioned above getting both Albert and Dorsey made it a slam dunk A+ draft.

The good news is the Chiefs FO has to feel like what they did worked and worked well. So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think we will see the same effort for years to come, no matter who the HC is as long as Kuharic is here. Thus we need to make him fat and happy.

The second day happened. I have loved every single pick from the second day, save Merritt. I think it will give us the depth we need for years.

I still contend the Albert pick was questionable. I would have taken Otah and kept our additional 5th. But if Albert starts at LT on day one, I'm wrong immediately. If Albert's RT and they eventually work him in at LT and he's good, I'm wrong. Flowers I really wasn't happy about because the Facebook stupidity showed immensely poor judgment that could come back to haunt this team. But if he keeps his nose clean, it's possible that we had a great first day as well. I just would have opted for Groves or Hardy.

Fair enough. I loved our draft. Every last oz. of it. I loved Charles, and I was happy with Cottam. I have no doubt that you know more about these players than I do though. Time will tell.

If you can hit on your first day picks your drafts are always better than when you only hit on one or a few of the late picks.

I give this years draft a solid c+.

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Haven't you heard this is the A+ draft

Dorsey
Alberts
Flowers
Charles


if they're what people think they are, then we will never come close to that kind of haul in 3 rounds....

Huh?

A C+? Draft grades are usually somewhat in comparison to other teams in the NFL so there is no way we are a C+. If we are a C+ then every other team in the NFL is a C or below.

Bunch of douches around here don't get the C+ thing even after it's mentioned even in this thread. LMAO

No, I don't, but I think the Chiefs' philosophy was solid. In past years, teams would take the players we would have, likely, loved to have right before we chose. Little things like that can impact an entire draft. What if Oakland had taken Dorsey? I assume we would have traded down, but what if we had no takers? What if the run on o-linemen had started earlier or the Lions wouldn't deal? Recall the 2000 draft when the Chiefs really wanted Shawn Alexander and Seattle took him a few picks before us (we picked up SlyMo). Then, in 2004 the Seahawks, again, took Olshansky a pick ahead of us, allowing/inducing our selection of Junior Siavii (nice, huh?). In 2002, the Colts took Triplett one pick ahead of KC, and we selected Eddie Freeman. While neither pick was outstanding, it was thought that KC would take Triplett and settled for Freeman.

In each case, a pick just prior to ours really seemed to leave us scrambling. This year, that could have been Chris Williams, but the Chiefs remained calm and we fortunate to pluck Albert. If he had been off the board, I'd hate to think we would have reached for Otah or Baker.

In the past, I don't think the Chiefs stayed qith their board.

If they had, there's now way a gut like Junior Siavii gets picked in the 2nd round.

I would think that if Albert were gone, the Chiefs, if they felt that Otah was a reach, they would have moved in a different direction.

The Chiefs talked this year about how they scouted deeper and more thoroughly this year (presumably because they knew they were going to rebuild through the draft quite a while ago and because they were stockpiling picks for this draft in particular). I'd be interested to know how much more their scouting operation cost them this past year and whether or not they plan to continue to invest a similar amount in future years.

When we have another near 4-12 season....but less picks let's see if they draft well in every round with only 1 pick/round.

You make a great point, however, Olshansky went to the CHARGERS.

You're right. It does, though, seem like Seattle took a guy just ahead of us a couple other times. I think I'm just channelling that anger.

No.

However, we don't need another draft like this to be successful. This was a cornerstone type of draft, a draft you can look back on and physically see a foundation that was layed. We mortgaged the present for the future in this draft. Hopefully we won't need 13 picks and 2 first rounders to be successful in the 5 year future.

I read what you said and thought nothing of it. Probably because his college team was from the NW and they had green uniforms.

milkman nailed it...the sorry picks you recount were a result of reaching for a position after the guy we wanted was gone...we would never have picked Charles or Morgan under DV....

sticking to your draft board is how you avoid disaster...

you need a high pick to get this much talent..but, as you said, our apparent philosophy will reward us with stronger drafts over time....something the True Fan "draft more OL!" crowd will never understand....

unless Oakland is in front of us :p

on a serious note... Quality.. yes i feel we could achieve quality drafts each year of our guys do there homework like this time. as for Quantity.. :huh: not so sure, not unless as stated earlier in the thread we keep trading our guys.

right now im not worried about next year, i just dont want CeePee to f our picks up with bad contact neg's. i know there each going to go back and forth but.. lets get it done and dont piss them off. :grovel: