OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum.
 

It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.

Kellie has likely been squeezin' his muscle all winter not to worry,.

I lost a "you" while retyping the title. Would a mod please correct the topic to read like this?

"OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended you loyally on this forum."

Croyle has been handed a golden opportunity most college QB's dream of.

Don't screw it up Brodie or I'll be on you like stink on Todd Blackledge.

Agreed, Mr. Frankie. Go Brodie!!!

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Last year when Tom brady was throwing passes to his recievers at his own house Croyle was planning a wedding.

A stint on dancing with the stars could only help

That was his excuse last year. He will have none this year.

I thought his excuse was the offensive line, the coaches, the receivers, sun was in his eyes, etc.

The said "excuse" pertains to his not gaining muscle via off-season workouts. That's the topic of this thread.

He never had any excuses let me tell it.
Furthermore, he should have to outperform Thigpen to win the job.

Dang. It's going to be tough to outperform Thigpen.

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If he just gets kelli to sleep with Herm the job will go to Brodie no questions asked.

You're right. Brodie (Big Game) Croyle will make shortwork of Thigpen after having done so to Damon Huard last... Nevermind.

http://listverse.com/.../09/jon-heder-400a052307.jpg

Brodie Croyle is Jon Heders real twin......LOSER.

I don't understand all the Croyle hate. I really don't.

No pass blocking, whatsoever. Crap for receivers (Bowe notwithstanding). No running game. The most predictable OC since Billy "One Run" Smith - who had an aneurysm during the warm-ups and called the same play for the Amsterdam Admirals 40 times in a row. I mean, cut the guy some slack.

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I agree Frankie....Come on Brodie, show us what ya got!! Make Mecca and the others eat their words.

:grovel:Please, my words never really taste very good when I have to eat them..

Croyle didn't have alot of help, but he certainly didn't anything to warrant praise either. In 10 games Croyle has 6 TDs to 8 Interceptions, he also fumbled the ball 4 times and lost 3 of those 4 for turnovers. I'm all for giving the kid a shot, but he certainly doesn't look like the 2nd coming of Joe Montana at this point. We'll see, only time will tell, but I'd give him this season, than yank off the umbilical cord. Croyle needs to take major strides, he's twenty-five years old, we need to stop babying him and make him earn his keep.

100% agreed with this assessment, Mr. BigChiefFan.

We must (and I mean must) give him some protection in the pocket, though. And a running game. The basic stuff any quarterback requires to succeed.

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LMAO

Agreed. Honestly, If he doesnt step up, the Chiefs will lose 12-14 games and draft a QB next year. If he develops, the Chiefs will stay competive all season.

Its a win/win depending on how u look at it.

Again, that was his first time being on the field for a period of time. If his first 10 games, if his TD/INT is almost close to each other, that's tells me that it's not a bad thing. I think the big issue is that people is knocking on him is the fact that he hasn't won a game. Well, we need to keep in mind that not ALL of it is on Brodie's shoulders. And the QB play reflects how the O-line play is. Honestly, ask yourself this. How would Montana perform behind that offensive line the Chiefs have fielded last year? Even Thigpen got KO'ed behind this line.

So, let's give him a chance to perform. If he can't perform, then the Chiefs should do the right thing, pull him about mid-season and have Thigpen play out the rest of the season. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR DAMON HUARD TO BE ON THE FIELD. PERIOD.

QB class next year sucks. That's not the answer.

I don't agree that Croyle's TD/INT ratio is a good thing in his first 10 starts, but like I said earlier, I think he deserves this season to prove if he is worthy or not, nothing more.

Exactly. I'm hoping he does develop. But if he doesn't I'll be very intrigued about Stafford of Georgia (for now).

Just to point it out, 2 of those picks were in that one game against the Steelers when he came up in mop-up duty. As the starter last year, he went 6:6.

thats how you debate! :clap: GO BRODIE!!!!!!!!!

Or we could put a new twist on an old tale and have Albert sleep with her if Brodie doesn't pan out.

The old "Reverse Roaf." :evil:

LMAO

Reverse Roaf.

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I seriously believe Brodie is going to be opening some eyes about three quarters into next season. I think he's a gamer, but the o-line play must be improved for him to succeed.

It's not an excuse, it's common sense.

check other QB's TD to INT rate in thier first year starting and you might be surprised...brodie doesn't look so bad when you do that.

Some people hate him for reasons that are unknowable, Mr. PGM. It's almost as if they expect him to win football games, or something.

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:harumph:

Nope, no need to do that...

Croyle should win games alone, he doesnt need a line, coach or a running game...

Croyle played behind one of the worst OL's in NFL history, One of the worst coaches in recent NFL history and without his record touching setting RB in the back field, All this ='s Croyle Bust.

I totally hope you are right. It would accelerate our rebuild by a lot. As opposed to having to draft a QB in the 1st or give up high draft choices for Brady Quinn.

Well, we know that Croyle can make all the throws. We know he can remember the playbook (albeit the simplified version). We know he can bark out signals and hand the ball off. We also know that he wants the job and wants to win.

What we don't know is if he can stay healthy, consistently find the open receiver, and keep our balls out of enemy hands. I'd like to believe that, if we can meliorate our pass protection and get a running game going, the overall play at the quarteback position will improve, as well. I don't expect Croyle to win games for us "singlehandedly", though. First of all, if our playbook is anything like last year's, we won't be throwing a lot of deep passes and/or chucking it into the end zone from the 35. Secondly, we apparently lack a solid, complimentary receiver to Bowe and a serious deep threat to stretch the field and loosen things up at the LOS.

The main thing is whether or not Herm has learned that the every-other-down, dump-off pass is not going to help either our running game or our abilty to move the chains. One can only hope. But, if he has, Croyle has a better chance of impressing. Like a little Stabler Jr., his game is basically, "get the friggin' ball downfield" and I like that.

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He had 6 interceptions, not 8. And he's not the only quarterback to suck majorly in his first year as a starter. Warren Moon threw more interceptions than touchdowns each of his first 3 seasons in the league. His 3rd season he had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns. Johnny Unitas had 9 touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a rookie. Troy Aikman went 0-11 and had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns as a rookie. I don't see why Croyle should be given up on when plenty of great quarterbacks absolutely sucked early on.

I'm pulling for him. Tough odds though.

it was painful to watch him play this past season and it would have been nice for him to win a couple games, but in retrospect that 4-12 season was the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. it forced them to rebuild the right way. it is brodie's turn to step up now. put up or shutup.

6 wins is the bench mark to judge IMO. Win 6 or more and we got a QB for the future, win less than that it depends on his play.

If memory serves me right, he technically won the Indi game by bringing us back late in the game. It was our D that lost it.

Again, he had 8 INTs in his CAREER-he didn't just play last year. And I said he wasn't the 2nd coming of Joe Montana at this point-which he isn't-I'll let you compare the two players and you'll see my statement isn't wrong in the least. I also mentioned Croyle deserved this entire season to see what he can do. What part of all that don't you understand?

The offensive line will take several games to gel. A couple of new tackles, a new guard, a center starting for the first time.

I hope Brodie can survive the first half of the season and reap the benefits of a renovated line. Eight games in, the offense should be clicking and if Brodie is healthy we'll see what he's got.

Mr FAX, I sure as hell hope that the lateral passing was one of Solari's tools and not Herm's. If I see that crap again this year on such a consistent basis, I might start a "fire Herm" campaign myself. Gailey has got to be more creative than Solari and be allowed to run the offense ala Saunders. I'm pretty sure we'll see a run dominated offense with a mid-range passing attack.

This is brodie, i'll do my best...im actually headed to gnc right now

I cannot remember a previous Third Round pick ever "deserving" so much time, patience and opportunity.

I'm tired of the readymade excuses for Brodie Croyle as well.

Last I checked, 3rd was one of the top rounds.

Teams don't commit as much time, patience, and opportunity to Third Round picks as some Chiefs fans would like to give Croyle.

No Third Round pick taken this year will be afforded the kind of coddling people in Chiefs kingdom are calling for as it relates to Croyle. They'll have to earn that time, patience, and opportunity.

So you think Croyle has already been given all opportunities to succeed. Most of the rest of us don't.

Quarterback is a little different position than the rest. I think you have to give them more time than any other position on the field. It doenst matter what round they were drafted in.

Well who the **** else are we going to turn to? Tyler Thigpen? If he beats out Croyle then sure but I doubt that happens. It's not like we have another option. And don't even suggest Damon Huard because that is an absolute waste of time.

I believe he was given ample opportunity...
And he didn't answer the bell.

Not where it concerns 3rd Round picks.

Late Round QB's aren't afforded the same kind of patience that the Eli Manning's of the world enjoy. Not at least without having shown some glimmer of hope that they can be the guy.

You guys are so full of shit. From the other thread.

All this "croyle can't win" is bogus. If you claim to be able to know by now, you are ignorant as hell, and I blame you for our consistent one-and-outs in the playoffs.

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

Perhaps no one, but that's no reason to gift-wrap the job (again).

If Croyle or Thigpen can't win the job outright we'll have to find another QB next year anyway. So honestly... Under that scenario it wouldn't bother me one bit if Huard took the field.

No offense, but I think you personally don't like him.

He has not been given enough time or help to improve.

Can you please give me an example of a QB excelling at his age with comperable playing time, and surounding talent.

Yes, he should win games all by himself.........one day.

You CAN'T argue with that.

Did the opportunity involve putting an offensive line in front of her that could block my mother and two of her friends?

Like it or not, he'll be the starting QB for the KC Chiefs in 08...i cant wait to see you make all of the doubters eat runny scat.

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100%

When comparing those statistics, I wonder if those other guys were allowed to throw a pass longer than 4 yards? A factor like that could have a bearing on both interceptions and completion percentage.

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I wonder also if their o-lines sucked as badly, as did their running game. I also wonder if their offense went RRPP, or was as easily predictable. Croyle needs one more year of evaluation, IMO.

you may want to go ahead and prepare for the likely eventuality they those who doubt Croyle are right. If your backup plan is "draft a QB in '09" you don't have a backup plan.

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.

He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

You're ignoring every piece of evidence I presented, and most especially that the bronco's went 4-0 when elway didn't play.

Further, the "glimmer" you keep talking about was obviously seen by Herm&Co. (Indy game?)

Further STILL, you build a team around your QB, not just your 1st round picks. So forget that argument. Herm has stated Croyle is his guy. Start building.

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.
:rolleyes:

That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

I did...

Read on.

What makes it likely???...the fact that 07 was an abortion from the get go, regardless of who was at QB???

He didnt have a chance last year.

Croyle has had 6 games. Those guys have had 11 or more. Further, one's spot in the draft hardly accounts for much of anything, especially as QBs go.

I would argue that Huard was an 80 year vet, summoning every bit of know-how he had.

Do you expect the same kind of production from a 1st timer???

I often discount the average Croyle-hater's point of view because their attitude toward him is usually far more emotional than analytical. However, I've always found you to be a very intelligent and thoughtful person, Mr. Micjones. Your opinion is, therefore, simultaneously more valued and more troublesome.

Let me ask you this; What could Croyle have done last year that would have changed your mind about him?

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That was a glimmer of hope?
The 1 TD, 169 passing yard day?

Wow...

Croyle's a Third Round pick and doesn't warrant the same kind of commitment.

Oh and incidentally he had 3 pre-season starts where he looked like dogshit.

Most of the starting QB's in the NFL were drafted in the First Round.
Come on.

Didn't Elway's, Manning's, and Aikman's coaches actually allow them to throw the ball into the endzone?

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He almost beat the colts. For all intents and purposes, it should have been a win. That takes composure, an intangible that some might call a glimmer.

Let most of you tell it Huard is horrible.
So how on Earth was there such a huge gap between what Croyle and Huard were able to do against Detroit?

Almost counts in hand grenades and horseshoe.

That was his best game.
I give him credit for it, but that doesn't warrant more evaluation time in my book. Not when his performances following were decidedly inferior.

Croyle wasn't a rookie when he took the field.
And while I don't expect him to have the kind of moxy a veteran would have I do expect him to produce (something) in a game where that veteran did.

Yeah, and Tom friggin Montana would have looked bad as well with that lineup.

Incidentally, the pre-season doesnt mean shit.

Did you ever consider the fact that those shackles might've said something about their belief in Brodie's ability?

Never said he was.