George Lucas lost his mind long ago
 

Jesum Crow.

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The film's producer had his idea firmly rejected by actor Harrison Ford and director Steven Spielberg as the three men struggled to reach an agreement for around 10 years.

Spielberg said: "There was a point where I thought George and I would never agree on the story, and I was fine with that.

"George and I are best friends, and we always argue, and we always debate. That's been the nature of our relationship since we met in 1967."

'Star Wars' director Lucas had commissioned Jeb Stuart - who wrote the script for 'Die Hard' - to write his version, which saw Indy go up against Russian agents and had a climatic battle scene between the US army and alien flying saucers.

Ford added: "It takes time to get Steven, George and me on the same page. George is very stubborn with his ideas."

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You have to applaud his conviction, no matter how misdirected it appears.

SAUCER MEN FROM MARS

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They made the right decision, in my opinion. Saucer Men From Mars sounds a lot like Saucer Men From Venus.

FAX

Well, yeah, as long as the craziness eventually leads to something brilliant again. How long has it been since Lucas did something worthwhile?

I guess that depends on what you consider "worthwhile"?

Empire Strikes Back?

Droid (which became Avid and revolutionized movie editing forever)?

Skywalker Sound?

I.L.M?

Pixar (which he created and sold to Steve Jobs for $10 million)?

Or the Prequel Trilogy, which earned more than $2 billion worldwide in movie ticket sales alone?

I guess it depends on your perspective.

Saucer Men are from Mars. Saucer Women are from Venus.

Not to mention, Mr. Fax, the fact that the budget for such a production would be astronomical. The transportation costs alone to ship the "Martians" to the set would likely put the film over budget.

..or a lot like Saw Sermon from Ma's.

Is that the title for the latest Saw movie?

American Graffeti, Staw Wars, THX-1138. People love to dog on the guy but forget what a brilliant innovator he was.

As if Kingdom of the Crystal Skull isn't just as dumb. :shake:

Actually, it's fine. It's right in line with titles like "Temple of Doom."

Actually, it was EditDroid, which yes, became Avid.

And I don't think you can credit him with Pixar. Unless you credit anyone who hires someone and they go off and form something on their own....

No it doesn't. It's not as concise nor is it as catchy. It's a mouthful. And the Crystal Skull would have been easier. It would have fit the scheme.

Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, Last Crusade, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Sounds just as cheesy as the rest. But thats the way they are intended. The Indy films have always been inspired by the cheesy film serials of the 40's and 50's.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Either way, the horror of the the saucer men from mars thing is the CONTENT, not the title.

This is actually old news, believe it or not, that title was leaked back when they were trying to decide which one to use (there was a 3rd, I don't remember it). Fanboys have been bitching about the alien part of the film for a looooonng time now, saying science fiction doesn't belong in Indiana Jones.

(I apologize if the alien thing's a spoiler for anybody, but I think everybody here has seen the crystal skull which looks like a 'grey')

There are rumours that some of that alien stuff is in the flick still.

Scifi in Indy is fine, just as long as he's not shaking hands with little green men.

We'll see what they do with it. I've heard some of the rumors Deberg mentioned, and I'm 110% positive there's some kind of alien connection in the film, but that's all I know. I've avoided any and all direct, detailed spoilers on the movie. My gut says that they're archaeological artifacts, and not little green men, although I have heard (and seen in a screenshot from one of the trailers, I think there's a thread on it here somewhere) the word 'Roswell' mentioned.

If I was a quadraphagrillionaire like Lucas... I probably would have stopped making movies, and would have been working toward becoming another Hugh Hefner. Mansions and playmates.

Little green men from Mars, anyhow.

But, Mr. GoChiefs, I'm sure you'll agree that it's okay for him to shake hands with little green men from Damascus. They're still trying to work out the problems with their nuclear reactor and it's good for celebrities to visit them in the hospital and stuff.

FAX

Also, before you say anything about Raiders of the Lost Ark being a mouthful, it's almost never called that. It's usually "raiders". I don't think you can shorten this to "kingdom" though.

Lucas screwed with that one a few years back as well.

On the newer box sets he renamed it: Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. ROFL

LucasFilm officially changed it to "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" years ago, for continuity.

FWIW, I'm not expecting much from Crystal Skull. I know it won't be as good as Raiders and probably not as entertaining as Last Crusade.

I just hope it's better than Temple. That movie didn't appeal to me at all.

INDAY COVA YA HART!

I'm going in expecting it to totally suck, but hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

I don't think it can be worse than ToD.

Lucas was going through a terrible divorce at the time (hence, the "heart" being ripped out of the characters) but MAN, was that movie bad or what?

The aliens bit kind of makes sense to me. The first three in the 30's were homages to the weekly serials of the 30's and 40's.

This one is set in the 50's. Cheesy alien flicks were very common in the 50's.

I see you more in the Howard Hughes tradition, saving your urine in mason jars, wearing tissue boxes on your feet, and watching Ice Station Zebra on a private theater screen every day. :p

You think so???...to me Last Crusade was the "Return of the Jedi" of that series, it wont be too hard to top IMO.

If that was Return of the Jedi, then Temple of Doom was The Phantom Menace: director's cut.

I'm guessing KotCS comes in 3rd out of 4.

Really? I hated Return - I think it was the worst of the 6 movies but I thoroughly enjoyed Crusade. I liked River as young Indy and Connery as Senior. Even though I own the box set, I can't turn off Crusade anytime it's on broadcast television.

I can't change the channel quick enough when "Temple" is on and "Return" (at least to me) is worthless outside of the Vader/Emperor/Luke scenes which again (IMO) there aren't nearly enough.

And I loved Phantom Menace. It's right behind Empire & the original for me.

You thought Return of the Jedi was the worst of ALL the Star Wars movies - original and new?

There's no way it could be as bad as 1 or 2.

Thats what i'm guessing, but hoping its more like #2 in line.

Dane, i dunno...it just seems like that dark & dangerous vibe is missing from Crusade, hopefully those guys have their finger on the new pulse...darker & edgier is better. The best stuff in Crusade to me is that they actually shot in the stone city of Petra.

Nonetheless, like GoChiefs sig...its nice to feel 12 years old again, look at all of us old men jawing about it like kids :D .

Different strokes.

I thought it was by far the worst. I'd go ESB, ANH, RotJ, AotC, RotS and then TPM.

The only thing in RotJ I didn't like were the childishness of the ewoks when they were introduced, but I thought the way the final act was constructed was a thing of beauty. The last 20 minutes or so of that film are epic.

I'd go with this line up:

ESB, ANH, RotJ, RotS, AotC and then TPM.

RotS and AotC are 4a and 4b to me, they essentially rank as even...

TPM comes in at 7th. Out of 6.

Stop talking about Star Wars you ****ing nerds.

TPM is the "Final Frontier" of Star Wars, whereas ESB is "The Wrath of Khan". I'd say RotJ is probably the "First Contact" of the series.

Now THAT is funny. ROFL

Yeah, I do.

Thematically, it was identical to "A New Hope" (Star Wars). There was nothing new or fresh about the locales, no new information was revealed, the Muppet-like Ewoks were a lame addition (it really did feel like the Muppet Show, especially during the battle scene) and with the exception of the battle between Luke & Vader on the Death Star, there was just nothing really worth watching. Lucas has even stated that if he were to do it all over, he'd have written a different script and had directed it himself (for better or worse).

I didn't care for AOTC. It had its moments (Any scene with Kenobi & Jango Fett) but I hated the yellowish-brown haze of Geonosis, the lightsaber battles looked fake and contrived, Sam Jackson was a HORRIBLE casting choice and there wasn't enough Christopher Lee or political intrigue (which is what I admired about TPM).

I also thought Ben Burtt absolutely butchered the score in the edit bay (and John Williams was pissed about that, from what I heard at the time) and the "romance" between Anakin & Padme was forced and fake at best. I also wish they would have cast ANYONE other than Hayden (Or Ryan Phillipe) as Anakin.

As for the Phantom Menace, I thought it was awesome. Absolutely awesome. It showed the Jedi, just before their decline. Liam Neeson was everything that I imagined as a Jedi (wise but powerful), Darth Maul was an insanely talented evil assassin and Senator Palpatine was at his devilish best. I loved the fact that the movie moved slowly (unlike the ridiculous pacing of AOTC) and I enjoyed the back story, especially the Pod Racing sequence.

I thought it looked beautiful (especially Naboo. Exteriors shot in Italy and the rest CGI) and I absolutely believe that it was John Williams best score ever. It's a masterpiece (and I've had many a conductor agree with that assessment).

Yeah, I guess "dark & dangerous" is missing, especially since they showed the Nazi's as bumbling idiots (Hitler signing his father's diary?). But I still enjoyed the movie because the actors really appeared to have fun in their roles and the story was fun as well.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Crystal Skull will be more entertaining than the previous sequels.

But I'm not betting on it.

The other casting choice that sucked balls was Jimmy Smits.

I agree, the last 20 minutes were epic. It's just that to me, the entire movie should have been epic. It was the last of the series and it came across as lame (especially the original ending with the goofy Muppet-Show music at the end, as well as the original Jabba music scene). I just thought that the story could have moved along much further without seeing the Droid nonsense and Luke fighting the Rancor (which looked terrible).

I was expecting Godfather II and I got Johnny Dangerously.

Did anyone else see the new trailer for the Star Wars animated film yet? It looks pretty cool

I have to admit. I loved PM at first. Then I really started to hate it because of George's directing. As I watch it again, though, it is better than Eps two and three.

Empire was by far the best but I did enjoy Return minus the ewoks.

I really do wish George had stuck to writing and left his hands off the directing though.

Yeah, looks decent and interesting but I will wait for the DVD. That should not even be in theaters in my opinion.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. JoG? MTR? ObgYN?

FAX

My order as well.

Why did Temple of Doom and Return of the Jedi rock when i was 13 and 14...

But now they suck?? IM just sayin.....

maybe it's because I am young but I liked phantom menece than the old star wars. The old ones had shitty special effects

FYP

Goates is :holdman: his wee-wee to this thread.

As a kid, (I was about 8 or 9 when Empire came out) I was insanely jealous of Han for getting to swap spit with Leah...therefore I hated that movie at the time...

...in retrospect, it was the best of the series, but IMO followed closely by Sith. It moved along really fast, but it kind of had to. Hayden LOOKED great for the part of youthful Anakin, but his acting blows goats.

My order of best to worst would be Empire, Sith, Hope, Clones, and it's a toss up between Jedi and Phantom.

Hayden's acting is a direct result of George's directing.

Then how do you explain him in other movies?

Personally, I think he's a horrific actor.

Anecdote: I was working out at my gym in 2002, just before the release of AOTC. And while I was on the exercise bike, Hayden comes in and chooses the bike the right next me. We had a brief conversation (nothing important).

I talked to a director friend of mine later that night and told him that I ran into Hayden at the gym. His response:

"Was he unconvincing as himself?"


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I would have to agree. Hes a stiff. Bad casting choice on Lucas's part.

Thats why i couldnt figure out the success that his "Jumper" flic had, all i read talked about how atrocious he was.

He makes Keanu look like an overactor.

Hes the Al Gore of actors.

Seriously, I just don't get it.

Keanu is kind of "campy". A very guilty pleasure of mine is "Point Break". Even though his acting is awful, I can never turn that movie off once it's on my TV.

I can't say that about any of Hayden's performances and his scenes in the prequel are extremely difficult for me to watch.

Why didn't ANYONE notice that while filming? Even Spielberg thinks Hayden is "special".

Special at what, exactly?

I've always felt that RotJ had the best PARTS of all the movies - the scenes between the Emperor, Vader and Luke. The scene where Luke charges out of hiding, attacks Vader and backs him across the room is the apex of the entire series. I remember sitting in the theater gape-jawed the first time I saw it.

Unfortunately, it was all mixed up with the killer teddy bear horseshit. :#

And for all the punks who think the special effects in the original Star Wars suck, you have no idea how groundbreaking they were at the time. You're all spoiled by CGI and take it all for granted, but that movie changed everything. The thrill of watching the opening scene in dark theater as a little kid lost in wide-eyed wonder is something you'll never experience, and it's your loss.

I sometimes like Keanu, his style is perfect for certain roles...i thought he was actually quite good in Point Break & the Matrix.

Haden is plain terrible, its hard to say why those greats like him...i always want to laugh at him in the fight scene in "Sith"...where he's supposed to be angry & arguing with Padme & Obi-Wan..."YOUR. TRYING. TO. TURN. HER. AGAINST. ME."

HAHAHA

I know, Dude.

What should have been epic scenes are campy, corny and contrite.

Why couldn't Lucas have hired Ryan Gosseling instead?

I'm totally with on Star Wars (1977) and Empire Strikes Back (which I saw on opening day at the Midland Theater in downtown KC).

But Return was just a mess. Lucas had been sick at the time, wrote a poor story, didn't oversee the script and hired the wrong director. IMO, it was a completely pitiful way to end a six-story arc.

It's still better than any of the prequels. I love Jedi. I don't even mind the ewoks and I love everything about Jabba's Palace. It's a world unto itself. It should have it's own TV show. I'm a sick bastard.

Wow, I remember seeing Empire downtown at that theater too. I dont think it was opening day, but i remember waiting in a huge long liine with my mom and best friend. People dont really have to do that anymore since big movies play on soo many screens these days. Ahhh...the good ole days. :)

They do in Los Angeles.

There are HUGE lines for movies like Star Wars at the Chinese Theater. El Capitan (Disney's flagship theater in Hollywood) has lines for blocks when movies like Monster's, Inc., Nemo and Pirates of the Caribbean are released.

It's probably not like that in other cities but movies are HUGE in Los Angeles. There's billboards up for movies that won't be released for months out here. I've seen Indy Billboards up on Cahuenga since February.

You probably love it because it reminds of your childhood.

I have a very difficult time believing that if you viewed all six movies for the first time at your current age that you'd feel the same way.

I didn't even see them in a theater the first time. I think I was 11 years old the first time I saw Jedi.

I dunno, I just like the Palace. There are some great novels written about it. Intergalactic crime syndicates = AWESOME.

Yes, the Black Sun and Xixor are cool.

But the palace scene in "Jedi" plays like an outtake of the muppet show.

Yeah, they had someone at TheAVClub who'd never seen RotLA watch and review the series for their 'Better Late than Never' series of reviews.
Brought up that Temple of Doom had it's dark tone and subject matter because Lucas had so much luck with it [as the 2nd in a trilogy] in the SW series [ie, ToD was supposed to be the 'Empire Strikes Back' of the series], while Speilberg wanted to continue in the B-Movie/serial vein.

His uncomfortable-ness was tailor made for Shattered Glass, though.

I guess it never bothered me. Just like the Cantina scene.

hahaha

To Lucas's credit, he did try to tone down the kiddy cheesiness of it all by changing the songs in that scene and the Ewok one in the special editions.


I hate how he inserted Hayden Suckinson at the end of RoTJ though. Good god, awful...

QFT

As I noted earlier, the plan wasn't to do a "darker" Indy film. It happened because Lucas was going through a terrible divorce, hence the "ripping out of hearts" by the main baddie.

I was just about to say I thought he was quite good in Shattered Glass.

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Revisionist history for the DVD collection