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Direckshun 05-16-2008 02:29 PM

Why isn't off-the-ball hack-a-Shaq totally illegal?
 
I was watching the Spurs play the Suns last month, and late in the game they just sent guys at O'Neal to foul him, even if he wasn't even on the offensive half of the court yet. Shaq would juke and boogy, trying to get away from them. It was every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.

I thought there was some sort of rule there, and today I run across this on Wikipedia, talking about Wilt Chamberlain:

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This led to the spectacle of virtually an entire other contest being held away from the ball and almost completely outside of the basketball game being played, as Chamberlain essentially played a de facto game of tag with defenders, attempting to run from and dodge them as they chased him trying to foul him.

The NBA decided to address this undesirable situation by instituting a new rule regarding off-the-ball fouls — that is, committing a personal foul against an offensive player who neither has the ball nor is making an effort to obtain it. The new rule stated that if the defensive team commits an off-the-ball foul within the last two minutes of the game, the offensive team would be allowed to keep possession of the ball after the awarding of either one or two free throws.
Why only the last two minutes? Isn't this tactic ridiculous at any time?

Demonpenz 05-16-2008 02:31 PM

Just to be specific it is illegal but you want a Int foul on top of it?

Demonpenz 05-16-2008 02:32 PM

Here's a better idea how about someone hit their "FREE" throws

Amnorix 05-16-2008 02:33 PM

The hack-a-shaq is going to be ridiculously widespread next year, and I expect they'll need to move off the "final 2 minutes" approach the rule now has.

Amnorix 05-16-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4753909)
Here's a better idea how about someone hit their "FREE" throws


And yet, the entire game of b-ball shouldn't be perverted because someone is a lousy free throw shooter. If he has the ball, fine.

Basileus777 05-16-2008 02:36 PM

Unfortunately hack-a-Shaq is a legit strategy that works, but it makes for absolutely awful basketball. A rule change is needed. Oh and make egregious flopping a technical foul as well, especially dead-ball flopping. I wouldn't mind if they gave away Ts for too much complaining to the refs either.

All of this shit takes away from the game. Because of the way games are officiated, half the league flops and then bitches to the refs after every play.

Easy 6 05-16-2008 02:37 PM

What goes around, comes around...Shaq has played prison ball his entire career, always shoving & elbowing someone in the mouth on purpose.

Basileus777 05-16-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4753909)
Here's a better idea how about someone hit their "FREE" throws

You have a valid point, but hack-a-shaq ruins a basketball game. Who wants to see someone brick freethrows until they have to leave the game?

Valiant 05-16-2008 02:40 PM

I see nothing wrong with it.. How hard is it to hit more then 50%?? That and you have to foul him hard, if not he doesn't feel shit..

Valiant 05-16-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4753925)
You have a valid point, but hack-a-shaq ruins a basketball game. Who wants to see someone brick freethrows until they have to leave the game?

The team playing him??

IT is all about winning.. Hell people want to give the Pats a free break on cheating.. But they do what ever they can to win..

Basileus777 05-16-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 4753932)
The team playing him??

IT is all about winning.. Hell people want to give the Pats a free break on cheating.. But they do what ever they can to win..

I'm not saying it isn't a legit strategy, but thats why I would support a rule change. I don't want to reward poor FT shooters either, but I'd rather not watch hack-a-shaq.

bobbything 05-16-2008 02:42 PM

If they're intentionally fouling him without the ball, then it should be an intentional foul. I don't see why this should even be up for discussion.

I think fouling at the end of the game, intentionally, when a team is down and desperate should be an intentional foul as well.

I always hated that these weren't in the rules.

Amnorix 05-16-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4753919)
Unfortunately hack-a-Shaq is a legit strategy that works, but it makes for absolutely awful basketball. A rule change is needed. Oh and make egregious flopping a technical foul as well, especially dead-ball flopping. I wouldn't mind if they gave away Ts for too much complaining to the refs either.

All of this shit takes away from the game. Because of the way games are officiated, half the league flops and then bitches to the refs after every play.


Yep. It's turning into soccer with all the flops and bitching. Not having watched a lick of b-ball in 15+ years, I definitely noticed that was a new (and unwelcome) addition. The bitching is as old as time, but the flopping all over the place is much worse than it used to be.

Amnorix 05-16-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 4753932)
The team playing him??

IT is all about winning.. Hell people want to give the Pats a free break on cheating.. But they do what ever they can to win..


These two concepts are related....NOT.

sedated 05-16-2008 02:55 PM

that's why women's basketball is so much more entertaining

Deberg_1990 05-16-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4753903)
I was watching the Spurs play the Suns last month, and late in the game they just sent guys at O'Neal to foul him, even if he wasn't even on the offensive half of the court yet. Shaq would juke and boogy, trying to get away from them. It was every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.


Why didnt Shaq learn to shoot a free throw 15 years ago?? Teams have tried the hack-a-shaq his entire career.

Basileus777 05-16-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 4753970)
that's why women's basketball is so much more entertaining

:LOL: Is that why nobody watches the WNBA? I can't watch women's basketball, its just such an inferior product. Even highschool men are more entertaining. Basketball is so dependent on athleticism that watching a bunch of slow small women attempts layups isn't entertaining. Tennis is ok though.

Deberg_1990 05-16-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4753986)
:LOL: Is that why nobody watches the WNBA? I can't watch women's basketball, its just such an inferior product. Even highschool men are more entertaining. Basketball is so dependent on athleticism that watching a bunch of slow small women attempts layups isn't entertaining.

Your un-PC response wont be tolerated...

But damn, thats hilarious! ROFL

Brock 05-16-2008 03:41 PM

I don't know what the B in NBA stands for. I assure you it isn't basketball.

Simply Red 05-16-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4753919)
Unfortunately hack-a-Shaq is a legit strategy that works, but it makes for absolutely awful basketball. A rule change is needed. Oh and make egregious flopping a technical foul as well, especially dead-ball flopping. I wouldn't mind if they gave away Ts for too much complaining to the refs either.

All of this shit takes away from the game. Because of the way games are officiated, half the league flops and then bitches to the refs after every play.

Yeah, same with kicking the ball (after a score) and making it look like an accident, just to slow down a `fast-break team.` Sound familiar KU? Sorry had to ... That has been bothering for a while now.

whoman69 05-16-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4753907)
Just to be specific it is illegal but you want a Int foul on top of it?

Its pretty obvious its intentional. Call it what it is.

Ecto-I 05-16-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4753919)
Unfortunately hack-a-Shaq is a legit strategy that works, but it makes for absolutely awful basketball. A rule change is needed. Oh and make egregious flopping a technical foul as well, especially dead-ball flopping. I wouldn't mind if they gave away Ts for too much complaining to the refs either.

All of this shit takes away from the game. Because of the way games are officiated, half the league flops and then bitches to the refs after every play.

Legit? Certainly. Works? Not really...at least in Shaq's case.

The Blazers tried doing it years ago, and ended up losing every game they employed the strategy. This is the reason that teams didn't Hack-a-Shaq every game.

Brock 05-16-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4754117)
Yeah, same with kicking the ball (after a score) and making it look like an accident, just to slow down a `fast-break team.` Sound familiar KU? Sorry had to ... That has been bothering for a while now.

Yeah, it's almost as bad as that phony ass flop.

Bill S Preston 05-16-2008 05:46 PM

One of the reasons why I don't watch the NBA. It's turned into complete crap. You can't touch a guy in the lane without getting called for a foul. Teams fouling a bad free throw shooter in the first quarter in order to get him out of the game. These trash players getting called "great" by the morons on the TV because they can fly twenty feet down the court in order to get a foul called against the offensive player. It's embarrassing watching seven footers flop from the slightest touch. And yet you have to flop because it's the only way that the NBA allows you to play defense nowadays, because they call fouls on the slightest touch. The NBA is an abortion of what it used to be, and it sucks.

whoman69 05-16-2008 06:30 PM

Just to be clear, every sport has made it harder on defenses except soccer.


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