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Hootie 05-29-2008 09:51 PM

Sasha Vujacic's three pointer at the end of the game...
 
Hysterical.

The game is over, it's 97-92...the Spurs aren't going to foul...with about a second left, Vujacic decides to shoot a three, nails it, final score 100-92...

The betting line was 7.5 :LOL:

Mecca 05-29-2008 09:52 PM

I thought it was amusing, it's the kind of thing people do on video games.

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774514)
I thought it was amusing, it's the kind of thing people do on video games.

It's bush league...doesn't bother me...I found it so hilarious I had to check the betting line to see if it put the game over or what it did for the line...

Lakers (-7.5) but the over was 193.5 so that didn't matter...

Still awesome! I wish I was at a Vegas sports book for that...I bet there were some fights that broke out...

Mr. Arrowhead 05-29-2008 09:54 PM

I dont like it when teams do that shit, but when its against the spurs, i really dont give a ****

Mecca 05-29-2008 09:55 PM

Yea in fairness I don't think a team that carries Bruce Bowen can really bitch about someone doing something cheap or bush league.

kcxiv 05-29-2008 09:56 PM

He shouldnt have done that, but he did. He's still young.


Anyways, took the Spurs down in 5.

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 4774519)
I dont like it when teams do that shit, but when its against the spurs, i really dont give a ****

This thread isn't about that! It's about the fact that some miserable chum bet a considerable amount of money that he didn't have...was probably in tears celebrating when Parker hits the three and then the Spurs don't foul...and then Vujacic breaks every cardinal rule in sportsmanship and effects the outcome of the game (lets face it, 50% of the people watching that game had money on it...)

Deberg_1990 05-29-2008 09:56 PM

Jerry West:

"For all you kids out there who aspire to be like Kobe" hahaha


You mean a rapist, cheater or basketball player??

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:56 PM

YOU IDIOTS ARE MISSING THE POINT! DIE.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-29-2008 09:56 PM

I guess the spurs can't blame the refs for this one...they'll just have to cry about the lakers running up the score.

ZootedGranny 05-29-2008 09:57 PM

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Mecca 05-29-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4774526)
Jerry West:

"For all you kids out there who aspire to be like Kobe" hahaha


You mean a rapist, cheater or basketball player??

Cheater?

The Lakers really got hosed on a ton of calls in this series Kobe shot virtually no FT's and they still won.

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4774526)
Jerry West:

"For all you kids out there who aspire to be like Kobe" hahaha


You mean a rapist, cheater or basketball player??

You really think he raped that girl? There is no way Kobe Bryant would ever want or need to rape a girl...that was all about trailer trash trying to cash in on Kobe's stupidity...cheater? Yeah...you can call him that. Rapist is just ignorant.

Mr. Flopnuts 05-29-2008 09:58 PM

fuck the Spurs, and anyone who bet on them.

Basileus777 05-29-2008 09:58 PM

He shot it for the tacos. The fans get free tacos if they score 100.

And oddly enough, LA was -7.5 tonight...

Deberg_1990 05-29-2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774530)
Cheater?

The Lakers really got hosed on a ton of calls in this series Kobe shot virtually no FT's and they still won.


I meant cheater as in he cheated on his wife. Not cheater in the game of baseketball.

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774530)
Cheater?

The Lakers really got hosed on a ton of calls in this series Kobe shot virtually no FT's and they still won.

He's talking about Kobe's infidelities...

Pasta Little Brioni 05-29-2008 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774527)
YOU IDIOTS ARE MISSING THE POINT! DIE.

Yes the point is there are some pissed off people at sasha for taking thier money and others saying THANK YOU.

Hootie 05-29-2008 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774534)
He shot it for the tacos. The fans get free tacos if they score 100.

And oddly enough, LA was -7.5 tonight...

Yeah, yeah...Sasha's brother had 100 G's on the game...

Mecca 05-29-2008 10:00 PM

All the fans thank him, it was worth it for free tacos.

I also don't think millionaire athlete would really need to rape a girl to get pussy.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 4774538)
Yes the point is there are some pissed off people at sasha for taking thier money and others saying THANK YOU.

and this is where ChiefsPlanet should be cashing in on the misery of others! You know someone is losing a life tonight over this...

RealSNR 05-29-2008 10:00 PM

I'm glad the 3 was made and that it counted. Such a fitting way to bitchslap the crybaby Spurs. You take them out in 5 by giving up a lead at the beginning, and by the end of the game you have taken it away, are building a lead of your own, are still allowing the Spurs to have a little bit of hope, and then destroying their ****ing will just when it counts.

And then right where the wound is where the Spurs' heart used to be... Vujacic is pouring a wheelbarrow of salt on top.

BAHAHAHHA! I'm loving it! LMAO

Mecca 05-29-2008 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774537)
He's talking about Kobe's infidelities...

In that case we should probably not say nice things about 99% of professional athletes......you got that kinda cash women gonna be throwing themselves at you, most guys can't handle that.

Which is why I said if Kobe was lookin for pussy I'd seriously doubt he'd need to rape anyone.

88TG88 05-29-2008 10:01 PM

W0000000000000T RIOT TIME !!!

Pasta Little Brioni 05-29-2008 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774543)
and this is where ChiefsPlanet should be cashing in on the misery of others! You know someone is losing a life tonight over this...

Haha you know there is a Vinny out there collecting from some poor sap who lost a killing because of Sasha ROFL

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774530)
Cheater?

The Lakers really got hosed on a ton of calls in this series Kobe shot virtually no FT's and they still won.

Called Jealousy!

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:04 PM

Go Phil Jackson!

I want the Celtics to win though, to get Pierce his first ring.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:04 PM

The Lakers are good enough to 3 peat again...I can see Phil retiring with 12 titles as a coach...they are THAT good...and they have a 21 year old budding star Andrew Bynum who isn't even playing because he is injured...that Gasol trade Stern forced Memphis into making really fucked everyone who isn't a Lakers fan! (I'm a Bulls fan, so I'm ok since Stern gave us the #1 pick...)

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774552)
Go Phil Jackson!

I want the Celtics to win though, to get Pierce his first ring.

I like Pierce, I like Garnett and I like Allen...but I hate Boston sports so I am rooting for Phil and...even Kobe...even though I really hate LA as well...but I'll take LA over Boston or New York any day...

Deberg_1990 05-29-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774546)
In that case we should probably not say nice things about 99% of professional athletes......you got that kinda cash women gonna be throwing themselves at you, most guys can't handle that.

Which is why I said if Kobe was lookin for pussy I'd seriously doubt he'd need to rape anyone.

Kobe should have done what Shaq does. Pay his women off not to talk. Didnt he say that once?? HAHAHA

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774553)
The Lakers are good enough to 3 peat again...I can see Phil retiring with 12 titles as a coach...they are THAT good...and they have a 21 year old budding star Andrew Bynum who isn't even playing because he is injured...that Gasol trade Stern forced Memphis into making really fucked everyone who isn't a Lakers fan! (I'm a Bulls fan, so I'm ok since Stern gave us the #1 pick...)

He's 20. lol

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774556)
He's 20. lol

I remember every Lakers fan screaming outrage when they took Bynum 10th overall a few years back...turned out to be another great move...they sure have found value via the draft that no one really expected...that Farmar kid is an offensive force, as well...and Luke Walton could start for 20 NBA teams...he's so versatile.

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan 05-29-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4774546)
In that case we should probably not say nice things about 99% of professional athletes......you got that kinda cash women gonna be throwing themselves at you, most guys can't handle that.

Which is why I said if Kobe was lookin for pussy I'd seriously doubt he'd need to rape anyone.

If Kobe was lookin for pussy why did he ass rape her?

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774554)
I like Pierce, I like Garnett and I like Allen...but I hate Boston sports so I am rooting for Phil and...even Kobe...even though I really hate LA as well...but I'll take LA over Boston or New York any day...

I'm a Bulls fan as well. So I'm torn with this upcoming Finals. Do I root for my boy, Phil Jackson? Or do I root for my other boy, Paul Pierce (Go KU!!!) who hasn't won a title yet? Hmmm...

L.A. Chieffan 05-29-2008 10:12 PM

That's just masheen. He shoots down by 30 or up by 30 he don't give A FOOOCK

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:12 PM

It wouldn't be over for the Spurs if their front office hadn't blown all their first round picks in recent years. Losing Scola and Udrih for nothing...blowing a first rounder on Splitter who's staying in Europe.

The Spurs front office has been overrated the past few years. They've wasted their draft picks on Euro players that don't play for them and have failed to bring in young players.

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan (Post 4774564)
If Kobe was lookin for pussy why did he ass rape her?

Because black people love that shit.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774565)
I'm a Bulls fan as well. So I'm torn with this upcoming Finals. Do I root for my boy, Phil Jackson? Or do I root for my other boy, Paul Pierce (Go KU!!!) who hasn't won a title yet? Hmmm...

Kobe was outstanding in the 4th quarter...I will never ever compare any athlete to Michael Jordan...because from a competitive/clutch perspective...no one can ever get close...but Kobe looked a lot like His Airness tonight...and was unstoppable in the 4th. Duncan was visibly frustrated...Kobe was spectacular tonight when it counted. He has really transitioned himself...he is clearly the best player in the NBA. The voters got it right when they named him MVP.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774572)
It wouldn't be over for the Spurs if their front office hadn't blown all their first round picks in recent years. Losing Scola and Udrih for nothing...blowing a first rounder on Splitter who's staying in Europe.

The Spurs front office has been overrated the past few years. They've wasted their draft picks on Euro players that don't play for them and have failed to bring in young players.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

A couple of misfires is quite ok when you hit late on guys like Ginobili, Parker, Oberto, etc...the Spurs front office is the class of the NBA. How can it possibly be overrated?

They have the best scouting in the league by far.

Deberg_1990 05-29-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774572)
It wouldn't be over for the Spurs if their front office hadn't blown all their first round picks in recent years. Losing Scola and Udrih for nothing...blowing a first rounder on Splitter who's staying in Europe.

The Spurs front office has been overrated the past few years. They've wasted their draft picks on Euro players that don't play for them and have failed to bring in young players.


Spurs have won 4 titles in 9 years...

5 out of last 6 years at least to the Western Conference finals..

Its kind of hard to critisize a team with that much success. You cant win them all. Lakers were the better team this year. Hats off to them.

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774576)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

A couple of misfires is quite ok when you hit late on guys like Ginobili, Parker, Oberto, etc...the Spurs front office is the class of the NBA. How can it possibly be overrated?

They have the best scouting in the league by far.

I said the last few years. Parker and Manu were great acquisitions....6 years ago.

Unfortunately for Spurs fans their success with Manu and Parker led to them falling in love with Euro players, and they've failed with their recent draft picks. Its why their run is over.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4774578)
Spurs have won 4 titles in 9 years...

5 out of last 6 years at least to the Western Conference finals..

Its kind of hard to critisize a team with that much success. You cant win them all. Lakers were the better team this year. Hats off to them.

I hate the friggin' Spurs...but damn, they have a great organization from top to bottom...

I'm thinking their window has closed, though...

Stern really wants the NBA to get back to the Bulls, Lakers, Knicks and Celtics...

and Duncan was probably the 5th best player on the court today...so that's not good for the Spurs.

Though, that Ginobili injury didn't help the Spurs at all in this series...that's for sure.

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774582)
and Duncan was probably the 5th best player on the court today...so that's not good for the Spurs.

LMAO

TD had a triple double, 19 15 10...

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774579)
I said the last few years. Parker and Manu were great acquisitions....6 years ago.

Unfortunately for Spurs fans their success with Manu and Parker led to them falling in love with Euro players, and they've failed with their recent draft picks. Its why their run is over.

Their run is over because Duncan is getting older...their bench was too old...I mean, in all reality, the hit/miss ratio with late first round picks like the Spurs have every year is very, very slim...you don't find many quality players past the lottery...

Pasta Little Brioni 05-29-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4774578)
Spurs have won 4 titles in 9 years...

5 out of last 6 years at least to the Western Conference finals..

Its kind of hard to critisize a team with that much success. You cant win them all. Lakers were the better team this year. Hats off to them.

Ya, I don't like the Spurs at all, but it is hard to argue with this.

L.A. Chieffan 05-29-2008 10:20 PM

Spurs r finished. LAKAS DYNASTY NEXT 5 YEARS

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774560)
I remember every Lakers fan screaming outrage when they took Bynum 10th overall a few years back...turned out to be another great move...they sure have found value via the draft that no one really expected...that Farmar kid is an offensive force, as well...and Luke Walton could start for 20 NBA teams...he's so versatile.

I hate Luke Walton. He plays ok at times, but sometimes, he like lost in space. He just seems at times like he doesnt even belong in the NBA.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774584)
LMAO

TD had a triple double, 19 15 10...

Yeah...and offensively he was awful. Gasol > Duncan today...and when the Spurs really needed someone, they turned to Brent Barry.

Yikes.

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774575)
Kobe was outstanding in the 4th quarter...I will never ever compare any athlete to Michael Jordan...because from a competitive/clutch perspective...no one can ever get close...but Kobe looked a lot like His Airness tonight...and was unstoppable in the 4th. Duncan was visibly frustrated...Kobe was spectacular tonight when it counted. He has really transitioned himself...he is clearly the best player in the NBA. The voters got it right when they named him MVP.

He'll never be MJ though. So stop talking.

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:22 PM

Luke Walton couldn't start for 20 teams. He is a decent backup, but he wouldn't be nearly as useful outside of the triangle. He's also overpaid. He's going to be the Lakers 3rd string SF next year.

L.A. Chieffan 05-29-2008 10:23 PM

Crazy eyes killa is in a KFC commercial and RED AUERBACHS RECORD IS PEACE OUT. CIABATTA

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 4774589)
Spurs r finished. LAKAS DYNASTY NEXT 5 YEARS

Possibly.

The Lakers have some up and comers to worry about...Portland, New Orleans and Utah.

Hopefully the Bulls take Rose, trade Hinrich to Portland for LaFrentz's expiring contract and Jack...let Gordon walk...resign Deng and use that cap room in a few years to sign LeBron LMAO

I can dream, right?

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774593)
Yeah...and offensively he was awful. Gasol > Duncan today...and when the Spurs really needed someone, they turned to Brent Barry.

Yikes.

You can't compare a player like Gaosl who scores off all the attention Kobe receives to Tim Duncan who draws the double-teams that make the Spurs offense work. Duncan didn't have his best offensive game, but Gasol wasn't better than him today.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774595)
He'll never be MJ though. So stop talking.

I don't think anyone can ever be MJ...but Kobe runs that triangle like MJ light and Phil has a team built just like the one Michael did when the Bulls should've won 9 titles in a row (had it not been for baseball)...

Except they have Gasol...something the Bulls never had.

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774595)
He'll never be MJ though. So stop talking.

Stop bringing that shit up. EVERY single freaking time they talk good about Kobe, you talk about MJ. lol

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 4774604)
You can't compare a player like Gaosl who scores off all the attention Kobe receives to Tim Duncan who draws the double-teams that make the Spurs offense work. Duncan didn't have his best offensive game, but Gasol wasn't better than him today.

Duncan needed to step up today...he's a super star. He didn't...they needed him offensively and he stunk up the joint. You can make excuses for him...he didn't even play that well defensively.

His final stat line looks good but he had little impact IMO...especially when it counted.

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774605)
I don't think anyone can ever be MJ...but Kobe runs that triangle like MJ light and Phil has a team built just like the one Michael did when the Bulls should've won 9 titles in a row (had it not been for baseball)...

Except they have Gasol...something the Bulls never had.

I would take a Scottie Pippen in his prime over Gasol. lol

Basileus777 05-29-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774609)
Duncan needed to step up today...he's a super star. He didn't...they needed him offensively and he stunk up the joint. You can make excuses for him...he didn't even play that well defensively.

His final stat line looks good but he had little impact IMO...especially when it counted.

I agree that his play isn't as good as the statline may suggest, but he still wasn't the 5th best player on the court. No one other than Kobe outplayed him. And Duncan's defense was fine, he didn't play poorly on defense.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774610)
I would take a Scottie Pippen in his prime over Gasol. lol

Of course...but why are you comparing Pippen to Gasol...Pippen compares to Odom in the triangle...Odom to Pippen is like Kobe to MJ...Odom is Pippen lite...hate to overuse that line but it's true. Odom is a multi-tool player just like Pippen minus the great defense.

But the Bulls never had a Gasol...and they never had a Bynum, either.

I'm not a Lakers fan...but I'm in awe of the team they have built...it's truly spectacular. They can dominate for years to come.

Hootie 05-29-2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774608)
Stop bringing that shit up. EVERY single freaking time they talk good about Kobe, you talk about MJ. lol

I'm the biggest MJ homer you'll ever meet...

Kobe, THIS YEAR, for the first time ever...actually deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Michael Jordan...

And that takes a lot for me to say that.

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774608)
Stop bringing that shit up. EVERY single freaking time they talk good about Kobe, you talk about MJ. lol

Hey hey hey!!! I didn't start it this time! :)

His name starts with an "H" and he adores a career backup QB who also has a last name that starts with an "H." ;)

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774615)
Of course...but why are you comparing Pippen to Gasol...Pippen compares to Odom in the triangle...Odom to Pippen is like Kobe to MJ...Odom is Pippen lite...hate to overuse that line but it's true. Odom is a multi-tool player just like Pippen minus the great defense.

But the Bulls never had a Gasol...and they never had a Bynum, either.

I'm not a Lakers fan...but I'm in awe of the team they have built...it's truly spectacular. They can dominate for years to come.

Becuase someone said, that Jordan didnt have a Gasol. I said, i would take Pippen over Gasol. I dont know if that is comparing. Its just saying i rather have him over Gasol and probably Lamar at the same time. lol

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774617)
I'm the biggest MJ homer you'll ever meet...

Kobe, THIS YEAR, for the first time ever...actually deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Michael Jordan...

And that takes a lot for me to say that.

No he doesn't deserve to be mentioned EVER in the same breath as MJ. Don't even get me started.

kcxiv 05-29-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774629)
No he doesn't deserve to be mentioned EVER in the same breath as MJ. Don't even get me started.

He's reaching for the cape. Uh oh!!!!!! hah

DJ's left nut 05-29-2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774615)
Of course...but why are you comparing Pippen to Gasol...Pippen compares to Odom in the triangle...Odom to Pippen is like Kobe to MJ...Odom is Pippen lite...hate to overuse that line but it's true. Odom is a multi-tool player just like Pippen minus the great defense.

But the Bulls never had a Gasol...and they never had a Bynum, either.

I'm not a Lakers fan...but I'm in awe of the team they have built...it's truly spectacular. They can dominate for years to come.

The Lakers don't run the tri like the Bulls did, so it's not entirely fair to say that Odom is like Pippin.

If you look at how each player is used, Kobe = MJ, Pau = Pippin, Odom = Kukoc. They have different skills (for instance, Kukoc was a far better shooter, Odom a better rebounder) but as an aggregate, they filled roughly the same roles.

It's something of a shell game when you try to compare guys like that. Just remember, Chicago probably should've made the Eastern Conference finals without MJ (got screwed on a fantom block against Pippin), the Lakers without Kobe are probably a fringe playoff team at best.

People are very quick to underestimate how good MJ's surrounding cast was, in large part because I think they feel like they're disparaging MJ somehow. Jordan had fantastic support during every season he won a title.

I'm simply unwilling to listen to people who refuse to compare Kobe and Jordan anymore. Kobe's competitive fire and clutch nature absolutely rival Jordan's. His raw skills do as well. The kid is as close to Jordan as we'll see for decades. If he ages as well as Jordan did over the next 5 seasons, I could see an argument that he will end up being at least Jordan's equal.

Appreciate what you're watching fellas, they're not as far apart as you think.

Chiefs Pantalones 05-29-2008 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 4774653)
The Lakers don't run the tri like the Bulls did, so it's not entirely fair to say that Odom is like Pippin.

If you look at how each player is used, Kobe = MJ, Pau = Pippin, Odom = Kukoc. They have different skills (for instance, Kukoc was a far better shooter, Odom a better rebounder) but as an aggregate, they filled roughly the same roles.

It's something of a shell game when you try to compare guys like that. Just remember, Chicago probably should've made the Eastern Conference finals without MJ (got screwed on a fantom block against Pippin), the Lakers without Kobe are probably a fringe playoff team at best.

People are very quick to underestimate how good MJ's surrounding cast was, in large part because I think they feel like they're disparaging MJ somehow. Jordan had fantastic support during every season he won a title.

I'm simply unwilling to listen to people who refuse to compare Kobe and Jordan anymore. Kobe's competitive fire and clutch nature absolutely rival Jordan's. His raw skills do as well. The kid is as close to Jordan as we'll see for decades. If he ages as well as Jordan did over the next 5 seasons, I could see an argument that he will end up being at least Jordan's equal.

Appreciate what you're watching fellas, they're not as far apart as you think.

Bullshit

kcxiv 05-29-2008 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 4774653)
The Lakers don't run the tri like the Bulls did, so it's not entirely fair to say that Odom is like Pippin.

If you look at how each player is used, Kobe = MJ, Pau = Pippin, Odom = Kukoc. They have different skills (for instance, Kukoc was a far better shooter, Odom a better rebounder) but as an aggregate, they filled roughly the same roles.

It's something of a shell game when you try to compare guys like that. Just remember, Chicago probably should've made the Eastern Conference finals without MJ (got screwed on a fantom block against Pippin), the Lakers without Kobe are probably a fringe playoff team at best.

People are very quick to underestimate how good MJ's surrounding cast was, in large part because I think they feel like they're disparaging MJ somehow. Jordan had fantastic support during every season he won a title.

I'm simply unwilling to listen to people who refuse to compare Kobe and Jordan anymore. Kobe's competitive fire and clutch nature absolutely rival Jordan's. His raw skills do as well. The kid is as close to Jordan as we'll see for decades. If he ages as well as Jordan did over the next 5 seasons, I could see an argument that he will end up being at least Jordan's equal.

Appreciate what you're watching fellas, they're not as far apart as you think.

Your going to always have a few people that will say Kobe isnt on his level, but truth of the matter is, when its all said and done. He could be. He still has a ways to go though. Kobe's career is different then MJ's though. Kobe had a good team when he came into the NBA. Jordan didnt. He had to wait quite a few years before they finally assembled a team and he learned how to be a team players. Kobe came into the league with a pretty damned good team. Then when it got gutted. He had to try to do EVERYTHing, becuase he had no damned choice. Now he has a team built around him and has a good supporting cast and Sky is the limits. Kobe has already showed he can put up 40 anytime he wants to or have a average of 35 a game if he wanted too, but he doesnt have to anymore.

L.A. Chieffan 05-29-2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774661)
Bullshit

Very convincing

RealSNR 05-29-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4774629)
No he doesn't deserve to be mentioned EVER in the same breath as MJ. Don't even get me started.

Are you nuts? Kobe's been doing the MJ clutch thing the entire playoffs. He's playing like MJ right now and if he does it for another several years... 7, 8, 9... who knows, then YES, the debate can commence between Kobe and MJ.

Look, I grew up watching MJ just like everybody else. That amount of greatness doesn't ever want to be seen by my eyes again because the kind of player MJ was was just PERFECT, and the memories of watching that guy play last a lifetime, but the fact is, I think we're eventually going to see another Jordan, and probably someone who does what Jordan did only better. And right now Kobe is the guy to do that sort of thing, if there's anybody out there.

Hootie 05-30-2008 12:50 AM

I disagree with the clutch comment...I think Kobe can be clutch...but I don't remember Jordan ever blowing playoff series like Kobe's teams have the past few seasons...I can't remember Jordan letting him team down in the postseason...

Kobe is definitely in a league of his own in THIS NBA...that's for sure.

kcxiv 05-30-2008 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774730)
I disagree with the clutch comment...I think Kobe can be clutch...but I don't remember Jordan ever blowing playoff series like Kobe's teams have the past few seasons...I can't remember Jordan letting him team down in the postseason...

Kobe is definitely in a league of his own in THIS NBA...that's for sure.

Lets look at Kobe's starting Line up after his team was gutted. Then we will take a look at the Bulls starting line up when it was in its prime.
2006 team
PG-Smush Parker
SG-Kobe Bryant.
SF-Luke Walton
PF-Lamar Odom
C-Kwame Brown

2005 team
Chucky Atkins
Bryant
Walton
Odom
Mihm.

hell, look at the rest of that shitty team. lol
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2005.html

I dont know about anyone else, but, Kobe and Lamar are the only 2 players worth a damn from their 2005-2006 teams. Notible scrubs of the bench. Brian Cook, Cant count Chris Mihm He hasnt played in like 2 years. Devean George, Laron Profit, 18 year old Andrew Bynum. Fresh off of open heart surgery Ronnie Turiaf.


B.J Armstrong
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Horace Grant
Bill Cartwright



None of them players on the Bulls starting line up are detrimental to the team. Remember they also had Craig Hodges off the bench who is/was one of the. Hell, the best 3 point shooter of all time. Now for the 2nd run of their play off run.'

Ron Harper
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Luc Longely

This team also had Paxon, Kukoc off the bench.

Come on now. Jordan couldnt win with the 2006 Lakers.

Hootie 05-30-2008 01:25 AM

Jordan wouldn't blow a 3-1 playoff series...ever. It wouldn't happen. And he wouldn't prove a point by not taking a shot in the 2nd half, either...

I am giving Kobe compliment after compliment in this thread...he looked a little like Jordan in the Spurs series...for sure.

But he's not nearly as clutch or as fierce as MJ was...and he's easily the fiercest competitor in the NBA right now...so that's saying something.

BWillie 05-30-2008 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 4774765)
Jordan wouldn't blow a 3-1 playoff series...ever. It wouldn't happen. And he wouldn't prove a point by not taking a shot in the 2nd half, either...

I am giving Kobe compliment after compliment in this thread...he looked a little like Jordan in the Spurs series...for sure.

But he's not nearly as clutch or as fierce as MJ was...and he's easily the fiercest competitor in the NBA right now...so that's saying something.

I think it's fair to compare Kobe to Jordan, but I don't think there is anything he can do to make me put Kobe=Jordan. If Jordan did not try to play baseball he literally would have won 9 titles in a row. Do you HONESTLY think that the freaking Houston Rockets would have stood a chance? Hell no.

Kobe would have ZERO, count them, ZERO championships without Shaquille O'Neal. Michael Jordan is also a much more prolific scorer than Kobe Bryant. Jordan went on an EIGHT YEAR STREAK where he averaged over 30 points per game and shot about .525 in that streak. I understand that Kobe takes more three's than Jordan, but Kobe won't EVER SNIFF shooting 50% for a season, yet alone eight years.

So, this is what Kobe is going to have to do to equal or come close to his airness. He's going to have to win the next five NBA titles. If he does that, I'll be ok with it.

kcxiv 05-30-2008 01:50 AM

So, is it safe to say that if Jordan didnt have Pippen he wouldnt have won any titles? We cannot say that if Kobe didnt have Shaq he wouldnt have won any titles. THey would have built that team differently. So we cannot call it one way or another. You take Shaq out and its TOTALy Difrerent. The way they drafted would have been alot differently. Mr. Logo who you have in your avatar wouldnt have left Kobe out there with nothing to help him develop.

BWillie 05-30-2008 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774790)
So, is it safe to say that if Jordan didnt have Pippen he wouldnt have won any titles? We cannot say that if Kobe didnt have Shaq he wouldnt have won any titles. THey would have built that team differently. So we cannot call it one way or another. You take Shaq out and its TOTALy Difrerent. The way they drafted would have been alot differently. Mr. Logo who you have in your avatar wouldnt have left Kobe out there with nothing to help him develop.

People are going to go crazy when I say this, but Scottie Pippen is overrated. Scottie is a great player, don't get me wrong. If it wasn't for Jordan, he would be an good perennial All-Star who misses the hall of fame. Something along the lines of a Rip Hamilton. Shaq created his own legacy, and he won without Kobe. Look at the couple years he didn't have Jordan, was he good? Yes. Was he dominating? No. Thats not the kind of player he was. Paul Pierce is better than Scottie Pippen.

kcxiv 05-30-2008 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 4774796)
People are going to go crazy when I say this, but Scottie Pippen is overrated. Scottie is a great player, don't get me wrong. If it wasn't for Jordan, he would be an good perennial All-Star who misses the hall of fame. Something along the lines of a Rip Hamilton. Shaq created his own legacy, and he won without Kobe. Look at the couple years he didn't have Jordan, was he good? Yes. Was he dominating? No. Thats not the kind of player he was. Paul Pierce is better than Scottie Pippen.

Pippen was about a 20-25 ppg scorer, but he was GREAT on defense. Just awesome. He didnt have that killer instinct on offense that other players have, but he had it all. He wasjust a great all around player. It sucks his knees went bad on him late in his career.

BWillie 05-30-2008 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 4774817)
Pippen was about a 20-25 ppg scorer, but he was GREAT on defense. Just awesome. He didnt have that killer instinct on offense that other players have, but he had it all. He wasjust a great all around player. It sucks his knees went bad on him late in his career.

More like a 17-22 PPG scorer. He never ever scored more than 22.0 PPG in a given year. As I said, good player, but I think there are a few other guys that played around that period that you could still plug into that Bull's lineup and they still win those championships.

kcxiv 05-30-2008 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 4774818)
More like a 17-22 PPG scorer. He never ever scored more than 22.0 PPG in a given year. As I said, good player, but I think there are a few other guys that played around that period that you could still plug into that Bull's lineup and they still win those championships.

ooh, i am sure there is, they had a good team. Him and Jordan on D, can lock up any other teams power players. Then you had that monster on the boards in Rodman. He may be a freak, but that guy can grab rebounds. I think he averaged close to what 18 a game one year? They just had the PErfect players for that system.

Hootie 05-30-2008 03:01 AM

did he just compare Scottie Pippen to Rip Hamilton? Hahahaha.

We'll never know how truly great Scottie was because of Michael, sure...but a dude that plays that good on defense and during his prime put up 20/8/6 plus 3 SPG should never be compared to Rip friggin' Hamilton.

kcxiv 05-30-2008 03:08 AM

I dont see anyone putting Rip in their post. Unless i missed it. Then again, its 2am


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