****Royals @ Cards Game 1 Thread****
 

Let the whining about "the call" commence!!!! :D

As a royal fan. I can tell you I haven't heard about the call for years. I have heard about their last WC. (even if it was a fluke)

I will come up in this thread. but that was so .... 23 years ago :D

Cardinals point to the call when Royals fans loudly hang thier hat on the only thing they can, otherwise, we have better things to dwell on.

Like what, finding the newest toasted ravioli in town?

is that like finding the newest BBQ joint in KC?

Similar, but much more pathetic.

Of all the statements ever made on Chiefsplanet, including the D.C. subforum, this is the single most incorrect and untruthful post I have ever, ever read.

Toasted ravioli is one of STL's few redeeming factors.

What other smack do the royals hold over the cards?? Who's been the better team by FAR since that series?? Unless you meant the part about the cards fans boasting.

Oh, I'm talking about the Cards fans not boasting until Royals fans do. That's a crock of shit.

Got ya and I agree with ya.

I am guessing you are being a little narrow minded and think that just because the cardinals fans here in KC talk about it (you know, with all the Royals fans clearing thier throats and singing all hail 85 every time someone is seen sporting the birds on the bat) that all cardinals fans still gnash thier teeth and bemoan the call every time they see the color blue.

I get a little riled being here and talk about it, and then when I go in search of fellow cards fans talking about it at interleague time, most times all I find is something akin to "Time to play the Royals again, how are they this year? They always seem to play us pretty well, despite thier record. I bet I can get some tickets to one of the games over there at thier park."

Where were we talking about boasting? The claim was that Cards fans cry and whine about the call at every turn, and I said that they don't really care about it that much anymore until the Royals fans try to drudge up 85.

If you want to talk about boasting, we can go and look and see who has something to boast about when talking about more recent teams.

except their are not "toasted ravioli" joints in town. it's just a menu item at Italian Rest. and now it's more of a novelty item. Like taking out of towners to the Arch.

I look forward to the Cards and Royals every year. The cards one of my worst hated teams. Not so much for the actual players, but for the fans who over the years always seem to find different ways to piss me off. The good thing about baseball is even though you might suck...suck harder than any other team ever. You are bound to steal a couple wins from any team. Especially teams from the NL...who the royals have played tough over the years. Some of my foundest memories are of Sweeney hitting a walk off, the bazillon to not alot ass kicking the royals put on the cards in the K last year. I remember one time Fernando Vina flied out to the warning track and i yelled out "YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SHORT PORCH LIKE IN BUSCH and these redbird fans got all pissy." It's the same distance..... I know I know settle down, they must not have sarcasim over at busch. I remember one series they key's to the series was to keep pujols in the yard (he went deep 3 times) I wonder if I will see any cards getting drunk on the plaza. It never fails I see some cards out partying it up. It will be a good time, I am alittle beat down this year about the royals. I have seen many turds on the shit sandwhich to get excited. I called a 96 loss season but I just thought it was going to be us out played due to talent and not us pissing away games like we have never touched a ball before. Alas I take it all with a grain a salt, because a nice night, a cold one, crack of the bat, makes me feel good no matter how shitty the royals are

BS. I always go to the whole series here in St. Louis in my Royals attire. Not once do I bring up the subject, and no less than 5 times a night does something get said about it. Try it out - wear Royals stuff for a night - and see just how hung up and moronic Cardinal fans are.

"Hey - did you hear that we are the best fans in baseball? Oh, Stubby Clab just struck out - we need to give him a standing O. Come on! Come on people! If we don't give him a standing O, we won't be the best fans in baseball anymore!!! We are in Baseball Heaven, for crying out loud. If you don't stand up, I swear, I will report you and your Cardinal Nation citizenship will be revoked."

Five times...probably right after they put something up on the big screen talking about the Royals beting the cards in 85? Imaging that.

This series is the times when the subject comes up all over the place, I am just saying that the Cards fans don't dwell on the subject the way that everyone claims that they do, nor is the rivalry such a heated thing. Royals fans hate the Cards fans, Cards fans that deal with Royals fans all the time hate them at times from sheer annoyance, otherwise they are just another fan from another team.

What's funny, is that they never seem to appreciate the irony that the only way the Rams advanced to the Super Bowl in 1999 was a blown call on the Buc's Bert Emmanual's reception that was called incomplete.

allen_kcCard is living in some parallel universe where 75% of Cards fans aren't total jackasses around anyone from KC. The vast majority of St. Louisians have such disdain for Kansas City its amazing. They literally must be genetically predispositioned from birth to trumpet all of the ways that STL is supposedly better than KC.

Allen, you are way out of touch with reality if you truly believe your assessment of the Cards fan base.

Rams fans != cardinals fans


Cardinals fans spread all over the state, most of them I know are life long type fans who follow a team for a long time. That means they are Chiefs Fans, and Cardinal Fans.

To me the point above is as moot as any other blown call that cost a team a big game or series.

(FWIW... Cards fan talking)

Not sure why I even bother BUT:

No matter who you are a fan of you are going to find fans from other teams that annoy you. Hell, you will probably find fans of your team that annoys you. For one, I am sickened by the occassional reference from Royals fans about 1985 and how they won the last time "it mattered" between the two clubs. But I am just as sick of the Cards fans bringing up the call. Either way it was 23 years ago. Either was this is a series that no one outside of a very small minority will consider a rivalary.

I firmly believe that no matter what fan base you look at you are going to find the fans that will always something so truly ignorant and absurd that "justifies" their teams or makes their teams appear better to another fan base. I will even go as far as to say that this percentage is roughly the same for all fan bases. People need to quit whining (and bragging) about 1985 and start taking the series for what it is... 3 games out of a 162 game season.

The people that brag (or whine) about something that happened in 1985 are the same people that still brag about when they were younger they won a little league championship. Give me a break... it's over.


Besides this, some fans do cheer for both teams (like me), but their loyalty resides with one team more heavily.

AND we have at least one thing in common if you are a true Royals/Cards fan... we hate the teams from Chicago.

Oh quit crying. I'm sorry some big bad Cards fan regularly kicks your ass and steals your lunch money, but that doesn't make the rest of us assholes.

ROFL I had forgotten about ole Stubby Clapp. A guy gets a standing ovation because of his goofy ass name, made me sad to be a Card fan.

good post...hey...i just want everyone to know i made the all-star team when i played peewee ball in 1968.
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I didn' grow up in KC or St.Louis. I am from mid Mo, and casually rooted for the Royals until I moved to KC. Since moving here my like for the Royals has gradually fell into general dislike because of Royals fans acting like what you say the cards fans are like, but without a leg to stand on (other than 85 (remember the call)). I grew tired of the hate for the Cards, when I don't see the reason for it, the huge ups at the beginning of the season, followed by the huge downs as soon at histoty repeats itself and the team turns into what the fans expeced all along.

I'm not sure if you are spilling the talk about the baseball teams and thier fans over from it being that, or a St. Louis citizens vs. Kansas City citizens. I don't know or care what the people who live there think of the people who live here, I am talking about the baseball fans from my hometown, and tons of other town in the cardinal's fanbase, which of course also has some of them from St. Louis itself, and what they think of the Royals and thier fans...that being just another team, and in this case one that hasn't been very good in any remotely recent years.

Most Cardinal fans have moved on from '85, but I guess you are always going to have a select few jackasses who can't. Cards have done some good things since then, so there is no need to dwell on the past when you are winning in the present.

I think a simple fact is that the people that continue to INITIALLY bring up 1985 are either : too bitter to accept it/get over it, too ignorant to realize it is in the deep past, or not a real fan of the team and is bringing it up to brag (in order to act like he knows some historical facts about "his" team) or bringing up to just annoy someone.

Exactly. Everyone down here will go out of their way to tell you that KC has an inferiority complex to St. Louis. They will offer this unsolicited. It is unbelievable, but the fact is, KC is not the one with the complex. St. Louis has a Superiority Complex versus KC, directly related to the inferiority it feels to Chicago. It is quite comical.

that's so BS. I've never ever heard any of this.... been here since 1978 as an adult. This just comes up yearly......

You are one of the few Cards fans that I've encountered that aren't jackasses. Probably because you don't live in STL. There's something about citizens of St. Louis that makes them assholes. It's the sense of entitlement and superiority that many of them have.

Wear a Royals shirt in STL, or even a college town like Columbia or Springfield, MO, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

For the record, its never the old Cards fans. The old-guy Cards fans, who are Cards fans because the Royals didn't exist when they were kids, are almost always great to talk to. It's the younger fans for some reason that are unashamedly moronic.

Quoted for the ultimate TRUTH. This is my experience with St. Louisans nearly 75% of the time.

if you're gonna hate
please keep it in-state
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Sometimes I wish they'd do away with interleague play, because CHRIST I GET SICK OF HEARING THIS SAME BULLSHIT EVERY fuckING YEAR.

:banghead:

and it's still 7 hours till game time.
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Ya, the BS is starting to get really thick in here.

I have two Royals hats I wear here in Springfield and have never had anything said to me. On a side note though, I was in Orlando a couple of weeks ago and saw a guy wearing a Gil Meche t-shirt at Disney World. I about flipped. I don't think the Royals represented very heavily around the world.

Ditto. I used to like the Cardinals as my second team until I went to college, the fan base turned me against them. And I hate to classify the whole fan base bc there are some good fans like BRC, fraz etc but its fairly close to what reaper said.

Spot on accurate.

they are a victim of their age/generation

I have much more fun pointing out the fact that we stole a first ballot hall of famer out of your back yard. Nice scouting there, fellas.

My problem with the Royals lies exclusively with Herk Robinson's infamous "we have American League fans" garbage when the Royals had a chance to move to the NL and be relevant again. The Cards would've come to KC a few times a year, the Royals could've competed in the NL where the lack of the DH keeps costs a little lower and everyone would be happy.

Instead Herk Robinson uttered quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, David Glass (or whichever idiot in a suit was running the team at the time) clearly bought said nonsense and now the Royals are still in the AL Central getting their heads kicked in and are still as irrelevant as ever.

But I'm sure those 'American League' fans don't mind.

As one of those old geezers maybe what you say is true and I'm clueless as to how the young Cardinal fans are treating Royal fans.

But I don't remember any Cardinal fans that post here that consider the Royals a rival. Or that Derrikinger is the reason we lost in 85. That 85 still matters.

Your and idiot!

This coming from a Cards fan: Pujols was not supposed/expected to be this good. The Cards staff passed on him how many rounds? TWELVE! To say we STOLE him out of their backyard is perhaps the most ignorant thing I have heard. I could understand if we got him in the first day of the draft, but we got him in the 13th round!! We took a flier and hit the jackpot... hardly stealing anything.

I am one of those younger guys and I rarely, if ever, say anything derrogatory about the Royals or their fans that I don't also say about the Cards fans.

Thanks for being awesome; I wish there were more of you out there. I mean, the Cards organization is stepped with tradition and history. There's no reason for some Cards fans to take a defensively pompous posture with regards to their team, but they do.

honestly if you say anything bad about the royals it is true.

I heard a Phillies fan saying the same thing about the Cards the other day.

FTW!!

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#1 - if the Cardinals were so sold on him and knew what Pujols was, why did they themselves pass over them 12 times? He's well on his way to becoming injury-prone.

#2 - I am an "American League" fan and would, all else equal, prefer the Royals to remain in the American League. However, not all else is equal, in that 1, I live in St. Louis, so would welcome a switch so as to see them 3 series per yer down here, and 2, the National League is a much inferior product at this time, that the Royals quite well could be competing in at this time, and in the last several years.

I wish that we could change the royals icon it now has a KC on it not a R

From a geography perspective

NLC - KC,STL,ChiC,Hou,Cincy,Pitt all (except ChiC,Pitt) are south of I-70

ALC - Minn,Mill,CHW,Det.Clev all are north of I-80

wish KC was in NLC seemed stupid for them not to get in our division, but their Mgmt choice :rolleyes: we would really see if they could compete yearly there.

BTW, the Cubs have six games in a row against 40+ win teams starting tonight. Since they haven't played a single game against a team with a winning record in OVER A MONTH, I just thought you might want to brace yourself, or perhaps clear out enough room to hide under your bed.

And where exactly would ryan howard have played for the cards?? outfield? 2nd base? catcher?

Sorry I consider myself a true Royals fan who focking hates the Cardinals and cheers for the CUBS every year.

Stan Musual was underated

but the statue out front of new Busch is huge.

Another thing Royals and Cardinals fans have in common - they don't have to be 100 fucking years old to remember the last time their team won a World Series.

Can't we all just get along?

you sound like my son 5 years ago.... :grouphug: I really don't see it happening. the "rivalry"
a term I use loosely between Cards and Royals. is alive and well here on CP.

Shit, if you think this is bad, you may want to get body armor and a helmet for the MU/KU college football season.

I had all 7 games on video of the '85 Series and lost them in a fire :doh!:

Ouch.

This makes the Royals' oversight even more egregious.

Face it, once your 10 rounds in, they're all flyers. So what makes the Cardinals any more likely than the Royals to take the right flyer, especially when Pujols was from right down the road.

The Royals had senior scouts that watched Pujols and passed on him (one of their engineers was Albert's roomate for cryin' out loud). Jazayerli even said that the Royals knew about Pujols but felt they needed pitchers to replace their struggling (and fast aging) staff.

Had they chosen not to take him in the first 3 rounds or so, I couldn't fault them for it, but when he's still sitting there in the 13th and you've had guys scouting him and you still don't see him as a worthy flyer (meanwhile the Cards, with no true ties to him, did); I'd say there was a difference in organizational aptitude there.

But really, nice try.

Oh, there's no question which organization, top to bottom, is the better. The Royals made an absolute abortion of the draft for many, many years.

Every team passed on Pujols 12 times because he didn't really seem to be an exciting prospect. I saw him in High School; he didn't strike me as the prenatal form of the future God of baseball. He certainly didn't bring much attention to himself playing college ball for Maple Woods Community College (a joke of an institution around these parts). So I don't think that Pujols emergence as a HoF player makes any team look bad, it only makes the Cards look good.

FYP

i wear royals hats and shirts in springfield on a regular basis, and have never heard anyone say anything negative about it.

Same here...its funny down south when i went to school in joplin you saw alot of STL and Rams gear, always had my royals and chiefs and no one said anything

I was at Bush stadium on Saturday. A Royals fan in a powder blue T-Shirt sit down in front of us. No one said a word to him. But I bet thwere all thinking the same thing I was........WTF is a Royals fan doing here at a Phillies vs. Cardinals game?

that happens all the time. every sports game i have ever been to there is at least one person wearing gear for a team that's not playing. there is usually at least one raiders or broncos fan at every chiefs game. a lot of cowboys fans too. and there is always at least one cubs fan at every royals game.

I think this mistreatment of Royal fans by Cardinal fans is a urban myth.

And even if its true its not the case on here so why bring it here? Almost every single Cardinal fan on here repects the Royal fan for remaining a fan through the tough times and has said so on numerous occasions.

I've got no problem with that. You are a fan of the team you grew up with.

But the Cubs spent $500 million of their cable money in the last 2 years to buy themselfs a pennent. We shall see if it works this year becuase if it doesn't our farm system is going to start to produce for the next couple of years and their window is closed.

We own the Cubs! Prepare for more of this!
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I've gone to NFL games other than KC wearing Chiefs gear,personally I think if you love the game you enjoy watching any of the teams.

Other than the Cardinals and Cubs coming in, the AL is the better league to be in for KC. The better teams are in the AL, yeah the Royals might have a better chance at winning but for MLB it was the smarter decision for the Royals to stay in the AL. KC's been an AL market since the 50's.

nice thread...but the f@ckin game's started, jerkoffs.
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Risky play by Teahen

Ok, you are an idiot..

You just admitted that all the players in those rounds are flyers.. The whole damn MLB missed on him.. But keep telling your arrogant self that somehow the Cards organization knew something that no one else knew for 12 rounds..

Then lets add the fact that Pujols while great was not even the best player on his HS team (fort osage), they had stud pitching staff Hanna, Franca, one other person whose name slips my memory.. That 97 team was loaded with players all around..

Even at Maple Woods, where I went also with Pujols that team was loaded.. The guy turned into an amazing talent but to say other teams overlooked him is idiotic.. They guy did not look like he was going to be a HOF player while at those levels..


Enjoy the gem that fell in your laps..

Cant get him in.

Duncan is due

FYP