Science is so racist
 

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

:shrug:

Aren't judges supposed to be...learned?

No, they don't have to learned anymore once they get the job.

I love black licorice. Does that make me a bad person?

I believe the time is coming when the term 'racist' has been so over used that no one listens anymore.

Product of Affirmative Action. You don't have to be knowledgeable and work hard to graduate from college ... you just have to be a minority.

I think we should strike the word black from the english language. Without doing that the english language is rasist.

Should I get rid of my Blackberry?

it seems like all of the parties involved are ass holes......

Makes you an Anise loving Mo Fo.
~ That's some nasty shit.

just trade up for whiteberry

Dumbass statement of the year. :spock:
I've yet to see one black person truly benefit from AA while being under performed to do a job.

I'd love to hear of your example(s).

I understand you're joining /piling on all in fun but that statement is just plain ignorant and can lead to influencing others ignorance.

~Yes I take offense to it.

Wouldn't it be better to know that a person got a position as a result of his/her qualifications instead of ethnicity or gender?

Equal outcomes can't be the end goal, equal opportunities can be and it would be up to the person to make the most of his/her opportunity.

That's just it... AA kinda takes the racism slant out of hiring practices by forcing traditionally white establishments to diversify.

I know people think AA isn't right but how else would the playing field be level when (my figures) 90% of CEO's, directors, etc are probably the stereotypical white male who'd otherwise tend to hire their own?

I think AA is a way to level the playing field. It's not so bad that 1-2 black people (out of 100's of jobs being offered) get preferential treatment when their qualifications are just as good as the next man (no matter what color). But if their qualifications are inferior to the other man's then i'd have a problem with that as well.

I figured somebody would. My example is clearly stated in the article above. I hate to say it but anyone that buys in to it is cheating themselves and the future of America. The key to opportunity and knowledge in America is Hard Work... not a free ride. We are only going to make ourselves less intelligent if we continue to coddle. The idea that minorities don't have the same opportunities as any one else these days is dangerous, irresponsible, and outdated.

...and I apologize for offending you.

strange
no one complains about being in the pink
in fact they get down right giddy

Not saying we don't have the same opportunities in some departments (schooling) but within the workplace, you're not looking at facts here... You're basically telling me that only 5% (generous number) of minorities are competent enough to lead fortune 500 corps. If that's how you feel then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Having said that, since 95% of our fortune 500 CEO's and top level execs are white, how else would you ensure fair practices that a minority gets an equal chance at a position?

Again... Show me an example where a minority had preferential treatment over someone else while being under qualified for a position.

~No matter how ignorant it is.

I don't know about AA, but those dudes in the thread starter are pretty freakin' stupid. I would love to have seen their faces when someone explained what is a black hole.

It is a very tough situation.

I think the more the older generation leaves the work place, the more chances there will be for advancement for people of different ethnicities and gender. My parents, who are in there 70's, are very old school in that regard.


People, regardless of background, have to realize that it takes hard work to be successful and there aren't any real short cuts to get there.

I agree... but usually it is the HARD WORKING minority getting the AA break. I know you may not want to hear it but do you know that a minority has to do things almost twice as hard as a white person in order to get a chance?

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove :rolleyes: we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts. Why? Because we're stereotyped as being dumb, low lives that are incapable of intellect or intelligence. So until you can devise a system that fairly levels the playing field AA is justifiable. But then again... if the system was fair then we wouldn't need AA.

I agree that it'll eventually go away with the elderly but in the meantime AA is paving the way to make it to where future bosses will no longer consider skin color in hiring practices just like we should've overlooked the fact that Hillary was a FEMALE presidential candidate (which is the way it should be).

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I know what you're saying, but the facts simply don't bear that out. Yes, it is changing for the better, and I long for the day when we don't need it, but we still do at the moment. The higher up you get, the more it's about WHO you know and not what you know, and that's an area where minorities simply don't have any chance. They haven't been in the upper echelons of business long enough to develop those kinds of relationships.

You're absolutely right that the basis of this country is working hard to succeed. But when people actively block minorities' rights to equal and fair employment, there's a problem. Doing that is contrary to the principles of this country. It's why we needed Griggs vs. Duke Power Company to regulate hiring practices. It's why we needed Gratz vs. Bollinger and Grutter vs. Bollinger to define what is appropriate use of AA and what is not.

I don't understand this. You have to work twice as hard because minorities are stereotyped?

check DMV and other gov't agencies....

I would agree with you on this, there are times in which that does happen and that shouldn't.

I think you would be hard pressed to truly prove that there isn't a level playing field. There are steps that can be taken in order to do so. Taking an active part in education of our children. There are success stories all over the place where kids have come from down and out situations and have through hard work, sometimes inspite of their parents, and have become very successful. Making sure that the children know what is expected and what will not be tolerated. Unfortunately, the infrastructure doesn't really like supporting parents in this manner. There are people that have to work twice as hard because of thought to be limitations whether it be ethnicity, gender or economic background.


But if a person of a different background isn't given the job on basis of qualifications, it shouldn't be labeled as racist. If it truly was, then it should be dealt with swiftly and strongly.

I don't agree. Sure, there may be a small percentage of places and people left nowadays that may make it more difficult on minorities. But I don't think that is the case most of the time. I think that hardest thing to change is that perception.

Do the other 95% of non-whites desire to be CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

You just gotta love how this guy can't even admit his stupid mistake. :shake:

Wow. What a fucking idiot.

College admittance and government jobs are a few examples. It's unfortunate that that students who work VERY hard do not get in to certain schools because the schools need to meet a certain quota of minorities by law. I see it all day long every day. And society can suffer because of it.

This may sound racist, but it is not intended to be.

The people that hold the jobs because of race; not qualifications are by far the WORST at what they do. I am not sure if it is because they know they can get away with it or not. They contribute the least and make the most amount of noise and pull the race card if they don't get their way. I would be embarrassed if I acted like this.

Of course this is my own little small piece of the world I see.

So true it bears repeating.

Wow. What a fucking idiot.

Why would Comissioner Price object to comparing the office to a collapsed star, and insist it's actually a Quasar?

Oh. That would certainly explain it.

Meanwhile, Judge Jones needs to watch an episode or two of Cosmos.

Don't start your question asking reasoning method with me... If you have an opinion... state it. Otherwise stop asking questions to try to get me to double cross myself.

Having said that... do you think that minorities don't strive to be CEO's or upper level execs of corporations? Think before you ask.

Yes... if you look at it from a minority's perspective instead of your "I have black friends" perspective you'll see what I'm talking about.

I don't know. I'm not a minority. I would like to think they do, but I don't know.

Hence my question.

I can't. Perhaps you could give some examples of how minorities have to work twice as hard because of stereotypes?

I would say that only a small percentage of corporate management strive to be CEO. I certainly wouldn't want to be.

The person that would want to be in that position would be driven and probably wouldn't have too many issues getting a position like that somewhere, especially with board of director's wanting it to look good for them to have a CEO of a different gender or ethnicity.

Is it fair to promote someone above their capabilities?

Just because they are x or y?

Well if you think they'd do... isn't it safe to assume yes?

wow......just wow on this thread

Just trust me on that one.

i dont happen to work with any minorities. i think the reason for that is they can only hire from the pool of people who apply. it follows that they can only promote managers from amongst the people who work here and they can only make executives from the managers who work here and they can only make CEOs out of the pool of executives they have to work with.

other businesses maybe are not the same. but some are that way. just like some businesses are more likely to be chiefly staffed by men.

Okay, so if they do, what's stopping them? Racism?

So what makes so many more whites want to be CEO's as opposed to minorities?
That doesn't make sense.

I do trust you, but I think some examples would be beneficial.

In some cases yes which is why I'm for AA.

~problem solved.

You don't have to be knowledgeable to post in this forum either.

1. The selection of unqualified candidates is not permissable by federal Affirmative Action guidelines.

2. White women haven't been big beneficiaries of AA.
:rolleyes:

3. White men haven't been beneficiaries of preferential hiring/admissions either.
:rolleyes:

AA solved the problem?

And the other cases? Surely you acknowledge that not all minorities are capable of being CEOs, right, just like not all whites are? I don't think that stupidity and laziness are limited to one race.

That is a very good question that I don't have an answer.

Maybe it is a difference role models.

Amen to that :toast:

Truthfully, I don't feel like giving examples to be judged by you and others of their validity. We feel whites are fed silver spoons from birth while we have to work hard for everything we get. You're (not you) born in the network of the good ol boy. You KNOW the inner circles while more than likely we have to start from scratch as we're usually first generation corporate employees.

All the while you're (not you) bitching about 1-2% of QUALIFIED minorities getting a job over whites.

~The good ol boy network is the reason AA is in place.

Absolutely, but remember AA prohibits the hiring/admissions of unqualified candidates. There are certainly instances of hiring/admissions where the candidates are unequal, but mostly where the differences are small and indistinguishable.

But while we're on the subject...Are you prepared to take seniority or accreditation away from White workers/students who benefitted from preferential hiring/admissions?

Another dumbass statement. How many more you have?

Maybe it's because the upper echelon of corporations are usually white and are more apt to hire their own.

~ Your ignorance is really annoying at this point.

Anytime someone says "trust me", I don't trust them.

I could give you several examples, including one from a former situation where we had to get together and create a reason to terminate the employee without violating the myriad and crippling AA directives.

Have you ever owned a business? 99% of business owners or corporate leaders I know HATE AA though they would never say it out loud.

If I was in a position of hiring people for my company, I wouldn't care what ethnicity or gender they were, I would want the best qualified for the particular position.

Wow. You've got some serious issues.

So you mean to tell me that we can have a incompetent, stupid, lazy white Presidents, CEOs (Sprint), Enron, etc.

But we can't take a cahnce on having a minority one?
Furthermore, how would you know they're incompetent if they've never been given a chance?

All we want is a chance. Hence... we have to work twice as hard to prove ourselves to the good'ol boy network.

I think AA looks good on paper. And I'm sure that there are examples of it working as intended. At the same time, I think it also can give a job to a less qualified applicant just because said applicant is a minority. Do I have a better way? No. I wish I did.

And that's why it's needed.
Thanks for proving my point.

I said nothing of the kind. I'm sure there are plenty of stupid, lazy white people who choose not to work hard (or are too stupid to do it) in order to attain such a position, just as I'm sure that their are an equivalent percentage of black people who are the same way.

While I absolutely believe in White privilege...
I have to debunk the notion that they've all been silver spooned.

Interesting analogy. I think that has a lot more to do with economic status than ethnic background.

Thanks. I know whites feel the same. but they have a head start.
We don't in a lot of cases because of the unfair hiring practices of the past.

Wholly inaccurate.
Gallup polls over just the last 10 years found that Americans still favor Affirmative Action.

How would you like to own a company and be told by the OFCCP that you are underutilizing a particular ethnic group and need to increase the frequency of their representation within your employee base to reflect the percentage of the general populace?

Nevermind that your employees are all electrical engineers, 90 % of whom are white, and that your geographic location is 95% white, and that if you ever did find a black electrical engineer they always tell you " I don't want to live there I don't like winter and there are no black people there".

It was a generalization... not meaning EVERY WHITE.

I'll put my real world, behind closed doors experience up against a Gallup poll or any other publicized response any day of the week.

Honestly, I wouldn't presume to tell you what blacks "feel."

Because you're quite the corporate mogul :rolleyes:

Just curious. What is the percentage?

Well it's been said before that we get breaks because of AA while you have to work twice as heard.

Same rhetoric as I just spieled.

I proved your point by stating that a business owner who has put literally everything he has on the line needs to be free to hire the most qualified employee regardless of color or creed? That a quota system that forces a business owner to hire underqualified employees is inherently unfair?

People like you are asking for a hand out, not a hand up.

Cop out.

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Plenty of us people of other races worked hard for everything we have, too.

There are also plenty of us whose families have not been in this country the entire time this oppression was happening. But those people still get blamed for it so long as they appear to be 'white people'.

How is it right to look at someone on the surface and say that? You don't know their story. Just because they're white, you can tell by looking that the world has come easy for them..? There are plenty of "white people" who have had it worse than you. There are plenty who haven't. The world isn't a simple place.

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not big on victim mentality anyway but I agree. You have issues.

Is the entire gist of your point that blacks have to work twice as hard because most white people are racist, overtly or not?

I certainly haven't been. I have had to work hard for everything that I have.

I would be quite ticked at the government telling me I had to do this or that.

Would you like to be the potential black coach interviewing because he was filling a rule or because he was actually wanted there?

Just curious... when have I asked for a handout while talking in general?
Think what you want... Not wasting anymore time on your ignorance.

We AGREE AA is the :evil:

While having some truth...
No.. my point was AA is/was the fairest system to promote workplace diversity until someone else proves otherwise.