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Gonzo 08-06-2008 02:47 PM

Your Thoughts on the Royals....
 
I think they have played inspired but inconsistent baseball this year. It seems as though they are very close to turning a corner though and may actually finish with a decent record this year.

Your thoughts?

Silock 08-06-2008 02:49 PM

Very close. Need some pitching help and a couple of more consistent batters to get into the playoffs still.

Deberg_1990 08-06-2008 02:50 PM

They need Gordon and Butler to continue to develop.

They need a 1st Baseman and another corner outfielder who can rake.

keg in kc 08-06-2008 02:52 PM

Below .500, but this isn't "as usual". This is the first step towards something better.

Demonpenz 08-06-2008 02:54 PM

we need a solid number 1,2,3 starters in the rotion, grienke is good at 4 and meche at 5. Power hitting first basement, a decent corner outfielder and maybe add 3 or 4 arms

The Franchise 08-06-2008 02:55 PM

They suck.

petegz28 08-06-2008 02:56 PM

We are on pace to win 75-77 games right now. That is a notable improvment if that holds out.

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:01 PM

this year we will miss the playoffs. However, if we get Teixeira, Gordon comes around, pick up Sabathia or have one of our young gun pitchers come around, I think we make the playoffs next year.

Sure-Oz 08-06-2008 03:02 PM

we need another power bat in the lineup. Gordon and Butler need to continue to develop, they are a huge key, if both pan out to be above avg players that'd jump start us a ton.

Pitching is pretty solid in the pen and we could probably use another starter.

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4895628)
we need another power bat in the lineup. Gordon and Butler need to continue to develop, they are a huge key, if both pan out to be above avg players that'd jump start us a ton.

Pitching is pretty solid in the pen and we could probably use another starter.

I'm thinking Butler came around this last month. Hopefully it's not a fluke.

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895621)
this year we will miss the playoffs. However, if we get Teixeira, Gordon comes around, pick up Sabathia or have one of our young gun pitchers come around, I think we make the playoffs next year.

You should dream bigger. These small wishes are depressing.

Teixeira and Sabathia, huh? ROFL Hey, I'd love this. In fact, I'd have to install an intermittent windshield wiper on my television to clean the love juice off the screen on opening day.

Sure-Oz 08-06-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895644)
I'm thinking Butler came around this last month. Hopefully it's not a fluke.

We need him to be pretty consistent though, along with Alex. Gordon's OBP is alot better, he has had a pretty damn good eye, we just need that average to stay above .250. I am more so worried about Gordon hitting than Butler.

Demonpenz 08-06-2008 03:08 PM

The dermatoligist called gordon a ticking timebomb today

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4895647)
You should dream bigger. These small wishes are depressing.

Teixeira and Sabathia, huh? ROFL Hey, I'd love this. In fact, I'd have to install an intermittent windshield wiper on my television to clean the love juice off the screen on opening day.

Yea. Dream big. On the other hand one of our other SP could come around. We need Teix, if he comes available, tho. If he is available and we don't land him I will call this offseason a failure barring the snag of both Dunn and Sabathia.

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:14 PM

I would recommend lowering your expectations just a tad. Right now the Royals' payroll is around 60 mil. I've heard 58, but there are some folks on here that claim it's higher, so let's just say 60. For next year, not much is coming off the books, so this figure remains. A player like Dunn would probably cost around 15 and Sabathia is going to be around 20.

There's no way in hell, as much as I'd love to see it, that KC's payroll is going from 60 to 95 mil. Could it or should it? That's a different argument. Will it? No. So don't get too bent out or shape when we don't land two front-line FA's. If we land one, I'd be thrilled. From here, the baseball folks will have to earn their money.

Sure-Oz 08-06-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4895675)
I would recommend lowering your expectations just a tad. Right now the Royals' payroll is around 60 mil. I've heard 58, but there are some folks on here that claim it's higher, so let's just say 60. For next year, not much is coming off the books, so this figure remains. A player like Dunn would probably cost around 15 and Sabathia is going to be around 20.

There's no way in hell, as much as I'd love to see it, that KC's payroll is going from 60 to 95 mil. Could it or should it? That's a different argument. Will it? No. So don't get too bent out or shape when we don't land two front-line FA's. If we land one, I'd be thrilled. From here, the baseball folks will have to earn their money.

I'd put a power bat first, possibly Dunn and or Burrell.

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4895681)
I'd put a power bat first, possibly Dunn and or Burrell.

Yeah, power would be nice. But I might just about break the bank for Sabathia. That much talent from the left side? Whoa. That's a ****ing dream, though. I think Teixeira might be even more realistic.

Demonpenz 08-06-2008 03:19 PM

Dejesus RF
Furcal SS
Avalies 2B
Texeria 1b
Dunn DH
LF Burrell
Olivo/buck C
3rd Gordon
Center Teahen

bench Guillen
buck
Butler

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:19 PM

Oh, the other factor, imo is if Moustakas comes around.

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4895692)
Dejesus RF
Furcal SS
Avalies 2B
Texeria 1b
Dunn DH
LF Burrell
Olivo/buck C
3rd Gordon
Center Teahen

bench Guillen
buck
Butler

CC starting?

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895693)
Oh, the other factor, imo is if Moustakas comes around.

He's doing great of late, but he's 19. Not a factor for 2 more seasons. Consider him a savings account. Out of sight out of mind.

Sure-Oz 08-06-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895693)
Oh, the other factor, imo is if Moustakas comes around.

He's been on fire with 5 hr's this month and has 19 now

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4895701)
He's doing great of late, but he's 19. Not a factor for 2 more seasons. Consider him a savings account. Out of sight out of mind.

Felix Hernandez is only 20, right?

edit: He's 22 and been in the MLB for four years. I can dream dammit.

DeezNutz 08-06-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895707)
Felix Hernandez is only 20, right?

edit: He's 22 and been in the MLB for four years. I can dream dammit.

Understandable. Not the first time the Royals have provoked delusions. :)

petegz28 08-06-2008 03:27 PM

Biggest surpirse of the year....Mike Avilles.

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4895715)
Understandable. Not the first time the Royals have provoked delusions. :)

ROFL Another quick question: Gordon seems to have tremendous range for a 3b. As long as we're being delusional, whats odds he can move to short?

Demonpenz 08-06-2008 03:30 PM

gordon played ss in hs and some in college

Silock 08-06-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4895603)
we need a solid number 1,2,3 starters in the rotion, grienke is good at 4 and meche at 5. Power hitting first basement, a decent corner outfielder and maybe add 3 or 4 arms

I don't think we need 3 new starters. Bannister is off-form. He needs to stay consistent, but I don't know if he can. I think we really only need 1 more starting pitcher. Davies has got to go. Of course, I'm speaking only in terms of making the playoffs.

If we get everything you're advocating, we're World Series caliber. I just don't see that happening by next season. Maybe in 3.

Silock 08-06-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895722)
ROFL Another quick question: Gordon seems to have tremendous range for a 3b. As long as we're being delusional, whats odds he can move to short?

Why would you? Aviles is doing really, really well there right now.

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 4895731)
Why would you? Aviles is doing really, really well there right now.

Well, when we don't resign grudz we can bump gordon to short and have butler play third, sign teix and have a glorious infield.

Silock 08-06-2008 03:35 PM

I love pipe dreams :)

I wish they'd come true :(

OmahaChief 08-06-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4895704)
He's been on fire with 5 hr's this month and has 19 now


He clocked two last night giving him 20 on the year.

Kila took another one deep here in Omaha as well.

ChiefsCountry 08-06-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4895736)
Well, when we don't resign grudz we can bump gordon to short and have butler play third, sign teix and have a glorious infield.

Butler play third? He has a hard enough time at first which is the easiest position to play.

kcfanXIII 08-06-2008 03:54 PM

don't count the royals out in FA. they came close to signing tori hunter, and i think the non-action at the dead line this season really shows how close the front office thinks they are. i'm not going to slit my wrists if tex/sabathia don't end up signing here, but i think it might be more of a possibility than you're admitting right now.

btw, i think a lot of royals fans would need a towel to wipe their tv's with. maybe it could be a promotion.

plbrdude 08-06-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4895599)
Below .500, but this isn't "as usual". This is the first step towards something better.

that was my thought too. as usual would be 100+ losses. i'm thinkin this team is close to turning the corner. 2 more yr of progress and the could be pushin for the play-offs.

DJ's left nut 08-06-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 4895603)
we need a solid number 1,2,3 starters in the rotion, grienke is good at 4 and meche at 5. Power hitting first basement, a decent corner outfielder and maybe add 3 or 4 arms

Wow, that's pretty much crazy.

Greinke can be a #2. The kid has an ERA below 4, he has dynamite stuff and is still only 24. There's not a team in baseball with a #3 that good, let alone a 4. TB may pull that off, that's it.

Meche a #3. He's a good pitcher, has been a great pitcher for 2 months now. He's occasionally lights out, but not consistent enough to be a true top of the rotation guy. He's the definition of a #3 starter.

Bannister a #5. Innings, keeps you in most games. He's a born back of the rotation starter.

You guys need a #1 and a #4. The 4 should be an innings eater that can give you league average performance; A Jeff Suppan-type.

That said, the Royals are still screwed until they get a new hitting coach. They've wasted 2 seasons of development on both Gordon and Butler. Shealy's busted, Teahan's regressed and Aviles will do the same if they don't get someone else in there soon.

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 4895838)
Wow, that's pretty much crazy.

Greinke can be a #2. The kid has an ERA below 4, he has dynamite stuff and is still only 24. There's not a team in baseball with a #3 that good, let alone a 4. TB may pull that off, that's it.

Meche a #3. He's a good pitcher, has been a great pitcher for 2 months now. He's occasionally lights out, but not consistent enough to be a true top of the rotation guy. He's the definition of a #3 starter.

Bannister a #5. Innings, keeps you in most games. He's a born back of the rotation starter.

You guys need a #1 and a #4. The 4 should be an innings eater that can give you league average performance; A Jeff Suppan-type.

I agree with most of this. I think Greinke is a #2 now with #1 future. Meche I think is a servicable 3 or 4 when hes not playing well, and when he's hot hes a servicable 2.

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That said, the Royals are still screwed until they get a new hitting coach. They've wasted 2 seasons of development on both Gordon and Butler. Shealy's busted, Teahan's regressed and Aviles will do the same if they don't get someone else in there soon.
I do agree with this, however. We have seen a decline in our hitters the longer they stay in the majors. Whoever is handling it down in AAA seems to have a magic touch though. They brought up Aviles, Butler came back a new man and they are consistently developing strong hitters.

Thig Lyfe 08-06-2008 04:24 PM

40-10 run to finish the season.

Probably win the division.

Beat Red Sox in ALDS

Beat Rays in ALCS

Beat Cubs in WS

Nightfyre 08-06-2008 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 4895845)
Beat Cubs in WS

Just imagine how bitter the cubs fans would be.

Mama Hip Rockets 08-15-2008 05:34 PM

BELOW .500!

chiefsfan987 08-15-2008 05:56 PM

Below .500 as usual.

Skip Towne 08-15-2008 10:23 PM

I think the Royals suck. I put every thread about them on ignore. When will you dipshits give it up?

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 4918366)
I think the Royals suck. I put every thread about them on ignore. When will you dipshits give it up?

ROFL

And I'm bitter about the Royals...

Jenson71 08-15-2008 11:10 PM

My current thoughts are that I'm glad we beat the Yankees.


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