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RedThat 08-14-2008 09:21 AM

Herb Taylor is not bad
 
I've heard he has had a pretty good camp thus far.

And I watched the preseason game against the Bears, and he did well. What are your thoughts?

I think he is pretty solid.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-14-2008 09:23 AM

alot better than Mcintosh

RedThat 08-14-2008 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 4914007)
alot better than Mcintosh

And better footwork too who can bend and get down low.

Mizzou_8541 08-14-2008 09:35 AM

I thought the same thing, but I still don't know anything (refer to post count) :D

Buehler445 08-14-2008 09:39 AM

Based on the preseason game, I thought he did pretty well especially since he did not practice much there. The holding was concerning though.

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CoMoChief 08-14-2008 09:44 AM

McIntosh IMO is in his last season as a Chief.

Theres no reason why we should keep him after this season, especially if we go for more Oline early in next years draft which I think we will (God I would LOVE to have Duke Robinson from OU).

I think Taylor is playing better than Mac, and I also think Richardson will be playing just as good or better than Mac by the end of the season. He's getting older and he has no more upside than what we've seen. He's not going to get any better as I think he's a player that has plateau'd.

We need another 2 good drafts before we can make a serious run. Still need another WR, at least 2 more OL on offense. CB or 2, 2 LB's, and a DE on defense. Not to mention a big hole still at QB if Croyle doesn't pan out.

petegz28 08-14-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 4914064)
McIntosh IMO is in his last season as a Chief.

Theres no reason why we should keep him after this season, especially if we go for more Oline early in next years draft which I think we will (God I would LOVE to have Duke Robinson from OU).

I think Taylor is playing better than Mac, and I also think Richardson will be playing just as good or better than Mac by the end of the season. He's getting older and he has no more upside than what we've seen. He's not going to get any better as I think he's a player that has plateau'd.

We need another 2 good drafts before we can make a serious run. Still need another WR, at least 2 more OL on offense. CB or 2, 2 LB's, and a DE on defense. Not to mention a big hole still at QB if Croyle doesn't pan out.


The good thing about our O this year is you don't ahve to pass block like you did with the Air Saunders O. Rolling out, moving the pocket, mis-direction plays and bootlegs to the FB are going to help our tackles a ton this year simply by keeping the D on their toes and not being able to line up 9 in the box and know we will still hand it off tio LJ up the middle.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-14-2008 09:49 AM

I would love to see this guy at RT when Albert gets back.

Iowanian 08-14-2008 09:52 AM

I wish Richardson would figure out his pass protection so he could give McIndouche all of the time on the bench he needs to rest his knee. Richardson already looks like a decent run blocker.

Taylor showed flashes last season, and I was hoping he'd be the RT this year....

LiL stumppy 08-14-2008 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 4914064)
McIntosh IMO is in his last season as a Chief.

Theres no reason why we should keep him after this season, especially if we go for more Oline early in next years draft which I think we will (God I would LOVE to have Duke Robinson from OU).

I think Taylor is playing better than Mac, and I also think Richardson will be playing just as good or better than Mac by the end of the season. He's getting older and he has no more upside than what we've seen. He's not going to get any better as I think he's a player that has plateau'd.

We need another 2 good drafts before we can make a serious run. Still need another WR, at least 2 more OL on offense. CB or 2, 2 LB's, and a DE on defense. Not to mention a big hole still at QB if Croyle doesn't pan out.

Or Phil Landohld (no idea how to spell his name) both huge O-Linemen

StcChief 08-14-2008 10:13 AM

Not Bad != Good.

blueballs 08-14-2008 10:15 AM

better than crap does not equal good /hitscrack

nychief 08-14-2008 10:15 AM

I saw him whiff on a block and the hold was a concern... but he looked better than Jordan Black, so well...er, that's good.

Chief Chief 08-14-2008 10:32 AM

He was better singing with Peaches back in the '80's.

BigCatDaddy 08-14-2008 10:36 AM

Thoughts about giving him a shot at RG?

Direckshun 08-14-2008 10:39 AM

There's a part of me that thinks Taylor and Richardson could together anchor our right side for a decade.

Direckshun 08-14-2008 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 4914164)
Thoughts about giving him a shot at RG?

I actually think Taylor is a pure OT prospect. You don't get a lot of OL on your team with his agility. It's his run-blocking that could use some improvement. To me, I think he's a solid RTotF. You don't slide athleticism like that inside.

Richardson seems to be the opposite. Richardson is a monstrous road-paver, but could use better work on his agility. To me, he seems a prime suspect to move inside, especially on this Chiefs team that's incredibly shallow at G.

That said, I don't think Taylor is faring wonderfully at LT, but he could do as a backup this year. I don't think he has the athleticism to keep up with the fastest DEs and OLBs in the league. The reason he didn't give up a sack had more to do with Gailey's playcalling against the Bears (lots of misdirection and rollouts, which negates poor OL play) than his own talents.

Nevertheless, I'm loving this guy. I can't believe a late-round OL may actually work out for us.

RealSNR 08-14-2008 10:53 AM

Glad to see that love has finally boarded the Herb Train. All aboard!

bigkyle76 08-14-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 4914164)
Thoughts about giving him a shot at RG?

I think right RG is the perfect spot for him.He has good feet and has the speed and agility to get to the second level. as for tackle i think he has the ability to play it at this level but with his height he is struggling with swim moves from taller de's.

Iowanian 08-14-2008 11:01 AM

RG seems to be a decent spot to look at Richardson to me, until he gets developed for OT.

He's a solid run blocker and struggling in space with pass blocking.

RustShack 08-14-2008 11:38 AM

I would like to see Stallings, Taylor, or Richardson lining up on the right side... Two of those three starting. It will likely happen by the end of the year though, we all know the injurys will come to Kansas City.

chiefzilla1501 08-15-2008 07:16 PM

I'm not sold on Richardson as a right tackle. I question his feet and I question his work ethic to put in the work to improve as he should. While scouts are not perfect, when a left tackle for a competitive football program falls to the 6th round, that's a pretty clear sign that scouts have significant doubts about the kid. I do think he'll be a great insurance policy and I'm intrigued at the idea of moving him to guard.

I still am sold on Adrian Jones, even though I know I'm alone. In a zone blocking scheme, you want a guy who can move their feet moreso than a mauler, and Jones' feet were obiviously good enough at one point to earn him a spot at left tackle. His mistakes right now seem to be that he's uncertain and he's thinking too much, which is making him slow to react. Keep in mind that he's completely changing his position, so that's expected. Wait for Jones to get a little more comfortable with playing the position before we judge him.

As for Taylor, I"m also a huge fan. I think he's going to play Left Tackle for the Chiefs until the Chiefs are convinced that Branden Albert is the answer. I mean... really convinced. They really, really like Albert's potential, but if he doesn't pan out, then they can use Taylor as a stopgap. I hope that by midseason, the Chiefs start looking into how they can use him elsewhere on the line because I think he's too good to sit. I think he'd make an outstanding right tackle. He may not be big, but he really knows how to get leverage with his body.

ShortRoundChief 08-15-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 4917826)
I'm not sold on Richardson as a right tackle. I question his feet and I question his work ethic to put in the work to improve as he should. While scouts are not perfect, when a left tackle for a competitive football program falls to the 6th round, that's a pretty clear sign that scouts have significant doubts about the kid. I do think he'll be a great insurance policy and I'm intrigued at the idea of moving him to guard.

I still am sold on Adrian Jones, even though I know I'm alone. In a zone blocking scheme, you want a guy who can move their feet moreso than a mauler, and Jones' feet were obiviously good enough at one point to earn him a spot at left tackle. His mistakes right now seem to be that he's uncertain and he's thinking too much, which is making him slow to react. Keep in mind that he's completely changing his position, so that's expected. Wait for Jones to get a little more comfortable with playing the position before we judge him.

As for Taylor, I"m also a huge fan. I think he's going to play Left Tackle for the Chiefs until the Chiefs are convinced that Branden Albert is the answer. I mean... really convinced. They really, really like Albert's potential, but if he doesn't pan out, then they can use Taylor as a stopgap. I hope that by midseason, the Chiefs start looking into how they can use him elsewhere on the line because I think he's too good to sit. I think he'd make an outstanding right tackle. He may not be big, but he really knows how to get leverage with his body.

herb gets all the ladies

ShortRoundChief 08-15-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 4914343)
I would like to see Stallings, Taylor, or Richardson lining up on the right side... Two of those three starting. It will likely happen by the end of the year though, we all know the injurys will come to Kansas City.


ok this has been bothering me for sometime

are you Rusts hack or rust shack?

Ultra Peanut 08-15-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 4914203)
Glad to see that love has finally boarded the Herb Train. All aboard!

Herb's the flyest O-Lineman this side of Pork Chop Womack.

Skip Towne 08-15-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 4914129)
Or Phil Landohld (no idea how to spell his name) both huge O-Linemen

Loadholt

el borracho 08-15-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 4917835)
herb gets all the ladies

I read somewhere that he may not be big but really knows how to get leverage with his body.

KcMizzou 08-15-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 4917860)
Herb's the flyest O-Lineman this side of Pork Chop Womack.

I don't know who that is, but I'm for any lineman named "Pork Chop".

Ultra Peanut 08-15-2008 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 4918149)
I don't know who that is, but I'm for any lineman named "Pork Chop".

To make things better, he played at Mississippi State with extremely talented safety and epic NFL washout Pig Prather.

KcMizzou 08-15-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 4918179)
To make things better, he played at Mississippi State with extremely talented safety and epic NFL washout Pig Prather.

I knew a safety named Pig once. :deevee:

Mizzou's own, Pig Brown. He was a Chief for a minute.

Hammock Parties 08-15-2008 09:41 PM

Michael Lombardi is in love with Herb Taylor, too:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...8/tape-time-2/

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Herbert Taylor, the Chiefs’ new starting left tackle, looks like he might be very good. He reminds me of Derrick Deese, the former 49er and Buc. He’s a bit short for the left tackle spot, but very athletic and knows how to play.


Direckshun 08-15-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4918243)
Michael Lombardi is in love with Herb Taylor, too:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...8/tape-time-2/

Good god I just got an erection.

Imagine if Richardson moves to RG eventually and we finally clamp down the right side of our line with two 6th rounders...

Hammock Parties 08-15-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 4918290)
Good god I just got an erection.

Imagine if Richardson moves to RG eventually and we finally clamp down the right side of our line with two 6th rounders...

I would be in love with Herm and Billy K.

RedThat 08-15-2008 10:12 PM

As crazy as this sounds, if Herb continues to play well, and shows something at LT, leave him in there. Put Albert in at RG. Albert is a guard that is his natural position. We all know the Chiefs when it comes to experiments...i.e, Kendrell Bell, Eric Warfield to name a few...Oh yeah and Bartee...We all know how those worked. Bottomline is experiments fail 90% of the time.

Why fix something that works? if it works don't fix it...Why take the hot hand out?

Alberts injury may not be a bad thing?

Ultra Peanut 08-15-2008 10:32 PM

Taylor can play RG, too.

We're not on the verge of a Super Bowl, here. There's plenty of time to work this out.

CupidStunt 08-16-2008 03:09 AM

Albert is too good to not try at LT.

If Herb really does show something, you have to put him at RT and see.

chiefzilla1501 08-16-2008 08:29 AM

RedBull, while I don't want to get on Taylor's case too soon, the general consensus seems to be that Taylor has potential to be good but Albert has potential to be great. Taylor simply can't move his feet as fast as Albert does. Albert's footwork is outstanding.

So if Taylor reaches his upside, he's the type that will do just enough to earn a starting job, but not enough to be considered top tier. If Albert reaches his upside, he could be a borderline pro bowler. That's why you have to go through the Albert experiment. Taylor's skill set matches better on the right side.

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Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 4918339)
As crazy as this sounds, if Herb continues to play well, and shows something at LT, leave him in there. Put Albert in at RG. Albert is a guard that is his natural position. We all know the Chiefs when it comes to experiments...i.e, Kendrell Bell, Eric Warfield to name a few...Oh yeah and Bartee...We all know how those worked. Bottomline is experiments fail 90% of the time.

Why fix something that works? if it works don't fix it...Why take the hot hand out?

Alberts injury may not be a bad thing?



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