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bishop_74 09-07-2008 04:26 PM

I have lost faith in Larry Johnson
 
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
L. Johnson 22 74 0 22

No vision. Dude just kept running in to walls. Priest was always able to recover and STILL gain yards on the outside.

Valiant 09-07-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 4992266)
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
L. Johnson 22 74 0 22

No vision. Dude just kept running in to walls. Priest was always able to recover and STILL gain yards on the outside.

Well priest had a better line across the board, but LJ or the coaching are/will not ever adjust schemes.. I do not know why LJ thinks he has to run it up the butt of the blocker every time..

I dont think he ran outside the guards/tackles once that I can remember.. I do not know if that is on him or the coaches.. Ok there was one toss play that I do remember.. It looks like he was moving half speed of everyone else..

blueballs 09-07-2008 04:32 PM

LJ is a bruiser
who needs a seam
he's chocking from lack of air or daylight

DaKCMan AP 09-07-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 4992301)
I dont think he ran outside the guards/tackles once that I can remember.. I do not know if that is on him or the coaches.. Ok there was one toss play that I do remember.. It looks like he was moving half speed of everyone else..

2-6-NE 48 (:27) 27-L.Johnson left end pushed ob at NE 26 for 22 yards (51-J.Mayo).

triple 09-07-2008 04:35 PM

don't know what happened to him really.

it wasn't like the line was amazing when he had his two big years. better than now but it was in decline.

not so much as blocking, but back then he looked like a raging bull, punishing people and running them over. he doesn't seem to run as 'tough' now.

of course we had more of a passing attack back then

noa 09-07-2008 04:36 PM

I think what we saw today out of LJ is what we are going to see all season.

He and Charles could make a hell of a combo if we had a good OL and a half-way decent passing attack that would keep teams honest. Too bad we don't have either of those things.

DaKCMan AP 09-07-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 4992331)
it wasn't like the line was amazing when he had his two big years. better than now but it was in decline.

:spock:

triple 09-07-2008 04:39 PM

it was fairly good, but those guys were on the down side of their careers. i was responding to what someone said about holmes having an amazing line which was true. the line was declining in 05 and 06, not what it was for say holmes in 2003

Deberg_1990 09-07-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 4992301)
Well priest had a better line across the board, but LJ or the coaching are/will not ever adjust schemes.. I do not know why LJ thinks he has to run it up the butt of the blocker every time..

I dont think he ran outside the guards/tackles once that I can remember.. I do not know if that is on him or the coaches.. Ok there was one toss play that I do remember.. It looks like he was moving half speed of everyone else..

That one play where he bounced it outside was a great running play.

Everything else was right between the center and guards. Running on first down so much and the playcalling certainly didnt help him out.

stumppy 09-07-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 4992331)
don't know what happened to him really.

it wasn't like the line was amazing when he had his two big years. better than now but it was in decline.

not so much as blocking, but back then he looked like a raging bull, punishing people and running them over. he doesn't seem to run as 'tough' now.

of course we had more of a passing attack back then


You talking about that line with that blocked for Priest and Larry ? The one that practically everybody who ever watched a football game said was one of if not THE best ever?

triple 09-07-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4992354)
That one play where he bounced it outside was a great running play.

Everything else was right between the center and guards. Running on first down so much and the playcalling certainly didnt help him out.

it was good but the thing is, if Charles had been in there he has the speed to break that.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-07-2008 04:40 PM

you shouldn't have had any.

blueballs 09-07-2008 04:41 PM

the strange thing about LJ is that it he looks like he's a sloth on tv
then another player comes into the picture and you see how fast their legs are moving
its deceptive

Hammock Parties 09-07-2008 04:43 PM

It amazes me the ignorance Chiefs fans show sometimes.

triple 09-07-2008 04:45 PM

i know, some people think larry johnson is an elite back. he's above average but he is not one of those guys who will put up huge numbers even if the line is not so good.

el borracho 09-07-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 4992362)
it was good but the thing is, if Charles had been in there he has the speed to break that.

I don't really know their respective 40 times but LJ is not just a bruiser- he is really effing fast, too. Charles is probably shiftier and maybe better at turning the corner or slicing through a small break but I don't think he's much (if any) faster than LJ in the open field and I'm pretty sure the difference today was the situation. LJ went inside on a number of downs where there just wasn't any room.

Additionally, while today wasn't a good day for LJ it did have one positive- LJ's foot injury seems like a non-issue.

Reerun_KC 09-07-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4992385)
It amazes me the ignorance Chiefs fans show sometimes.

And didnt you just call Karma in another thread about Brady?

Dude, you have serious issues....

QuikSsurfer 09-07-2008 05:03 PM

Rushing against a top 10 rushing defense? There are 3 first round picks on their line..

Too early to lose faith in LJ this season.

Coogs 09-07-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 4992266)
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
L. Johnson 22 74 0 22

No vision. Dude just kept running in to walls. Priest was always able to recover and STILL gain yards on the outside.

Slow to the LOS too. I'd rather see Charles and Smith. They both seem to be berrter suited to what we are trying to do. Unfortunately, LJ has the big contract. :cuss:

This was a game that was ther for the taking. I am happy we kept it close. But it reminds me way to much of Indy last year. Way to much.

I'm not sure if Matt Stafford is going to be the guy as an NFL QB, but if he is, I hope we don't screw it up this season and miss out on drafting him by one spot or so.

KCUnited 09-07-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 4992460)
I don't really know their respective 40 times but LJ is not just a bruiser- he is really effing fast, too. Charles is probably shiftier and maybe better at turning the corner or slicing through a small break but I don't think he's much (if any) faster than LJ in the open field and I'm pretty sure the difference today was the situation. LJ went inside on a number of downs where there just wasn't any room.

Additionally, while today wasn't a good day for LJ it did have one positive- LJ's foot injury seems like a non-issue.

And he picked up the blitz and caught the only pass his way, but....

PastorMikH 09-07-2008 08:43 PM

I haven't lost faith in LJ. I think he is a great runner when he's angry. Problem is, he hasn't been angry since he got his big paycheck.

Maybe the Chiefs trainers could go down to the rodeo, watch what they do to the bulls before they are turned out of the gate, then go back to Arrowhead and do the same things to Larry.

OctoberFart 09-07-2008 11:04 PM

He has several things working against him starting with the 400 carry season, he got paid already after a contract year, he spends too much time with Jay-Z, and he has a crap OL.

SBK 09-07-2008 11:06 PM

He was done last year. He'll go down as Carl's last 'great' signing.

ShortRoundChief 09-07-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 4993707)
I haven't lost faith in LJ. I think he is a great runner when he's angry. Problem is, he hasn't been angry since he got his big paycheck.

Maybe the Chiefs trainers could go down to the rodeo, watch what they do to the bulls before they are turned out of the gate, then go back to Arrowhead and do the same things to Larry.



I think you start Charles with LJ as the backup and that'll do it

TrickyNicky 09-07-2008 11:07 PM

That 22 yarder was funny because he went out of bounds instead of sticking it to the DB. Maybe because Mayo was behind him and he was afraid of getting his neck 180'ed again.

Frankie 09-07-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4992385)
It amazes me the ignorance Chiefs fans show sometimes.

Like falling in eternal love with a player one week and absolute hate the next? :hmmm: Who am I thinking of? :hmmm:

FAX 09-07-2008 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 4992460)
I don't really know their respective 40 times but LJ is not just a bruiser- he is really effing fast, too. Charles is probably shiftier and maybe better at turning the corner or slicing through a small break but I don't think he's much (if any) faster than LJ in the open field and I'm pretty sure the difference today was the situation. LJ went inside on a number of downs where there just wasn't any room.

Additionally, while today wasn't a good day for LJ it did have one positive- LJ's foot injury seems like a non-issue.

Lenny said that Charles has Olympic class speed. I don't know exactly how fast that is, but I'm pretty sure it's faster than LJ speed.

FAX

FAX 09-07-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 4993707)
I haven't lost faith in LJ. I think he is a great runner when he's angry. Problem is, he hasn't been angry since he got his big paycheck.

Maybe the Chiefs trainers could go down to the rodeo, watch what they do to the bulls before they are turned out of the gate, then go back to Arrowhead and do the same things to Larry.

They twist their nuts, Mr. PastorMikH. Who, pray tell, is going to volunteer to do that to LJ?

FAX

Ultra Peanut 09-07-2008 11:32 PM

If you run up the ass two hundred times in a row behind a bad offensive line, what the **** do you expect his stats to reflect?

Gee, they deviated from their up-ass-all-day strategy once and he gained 20 yards. Imagine that.

Charles is ****ing awesome, though.

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 4994319)
That 22 yarder was funny because he went out of bounds instead of sticking it to the DB. Maybe because Mayo was behind him and he was afraid of getting his neck 180'ed again.

As much as I loved that brash, downright mean aspect of his running style, ducking out of bounds is a hell of a lot better for lengthening a running back's already-limited career. If ducking out when he can keeps him on the field, good on him.

ChiefsCountry 09-07-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 4993707)
I haven't lost faith in LJ. I think he is a great runner when he's angry. Problem is, he hasn't been angry since he got his big paycheck.

Maybe the Chiefs trainers could go down to the rodeo, watch what they do to the bulls before they are turned out of the gate, then go back to Arrowhead and do the same things to Larry.

Put a flank strap on Larry?

FAX 09-07-2008 11:35 PM

Well stated, Ms. Ultra Peanut.

"On this here play, LJ you take this here football and run up that there guy's ass."

"Sure coach. Will do."

[Run, run, run, run, splat]

"Okay, that was good, LJ. Here's your four hundred thousand dollars."

FAX

Fat Elvis 09-08-2008 07:47 AM

Larry Johnson runs best when he is angry.


We just need to start calling him Donnell and hopes he gets the hint.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-08-2008 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 4992522)
Rushing against a top 10 rushing defense? There are 3 first round picks on their line..

Too early to lose faith in LJ this season.

Exactly what I was going to say. That is damn fine run D playing at home and they played well all last year against the run. If they have any issues it was in the secondary and well for some reason the Chiefs didn't try to exploit it.

triple 09-08-2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 4994319)
That 22 yarder was funny because he went out of bounds instead of sticking it to the DB.

that too. in years past he wouldn't he have cut back inside and tried to break another tackle?

morphius 09-08-2008 07:57 AM

I'd be frustrated if I could have seen some holes that he missed, but I can't say that I noticed any.

5for5SB 09-08-2008 02:15 PM

I work as a valet down at the Power & Light District. Good ole LJ has found his niche down there, just like Mike Aviles and Joey Gathright. I saw with my own eyes LJ get carried out by his buddies on Friday night. He couldn't even walk he was so drunk. I bet he was hurting the next morning, catching his flight to Boston.
There is your "Franchise" player for you. He doesn't care what Chiefs fans think, he will get "bombed" right in front of your eyes a day and a half before the opening game, and not give a damn.

JuicesFlowing 09-08-2008 02:56 PM

Maybe he kept running into walls because that's all the o-line left for him ... a wall. As shitty as the 0-line was, he still picked up 74 yards.


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