Gunther's Goalline sell-out
 

was borderline reeruned. It was third and long from the one foot line; keep everything in front of you and DO NOT let them get a first. A punt from the endzone is a huge win in that situation.

I don't know that it cost us the game, but that drive didn't help.

Other than that, the defense (especially the young D-backs and the D-line) played quite well under Gunther's call.

It's Gunther, what did you expect?

Christ, here we go again.

The odds are that the Patriots weren't going to pass given the situation they were in. Since the Chiefs had come so close to forcing a safety on first and second down, it made sense for Gunther to go for the big play.

People will honestly bitch no matter what. Maybe if Patrick Surtain wasn't such a slow ****er they would have forced a punt. But blame Gunther.

SO McGraw not being in position has nothing to do with this?????? :spock:

McGraw blew his assignment. I dont know wtf he was doing in there in the first place. It shouldnt have happened. it was a pretty good play call. You dont leave Surtain on an island with Moss. As much as Gun is an average DC he's not that stupid.

Gunther was playing aggressively. That is his strong suit. Are you guys actually going to bitch that the offense was too conservative, and then turn around and bitch because the D played aggressively?

That was a horrible call yes.

I wont get too down on Gun today, because the D played fairly good overall.

The Run D still has some problems. Pat Thomas is weak.

we had to go for the safety..it's not like the offense was going to do anything with Herm's dumbass playcalling

that said, it was a bad call because we could have tacked the mother****ers in the back endzone and they wouldn't have called a ****ing safety..**** the refs

The worst part of it all was that we called a timeout to come up with that brilliant scheme. That gave them a chance to rest, assess the situation, and overcome some of the momentum that we had in our favor.

Why is McGraw on the field?

Actually why is he even on the team?

It was also Randy Moss as well. Not trying to defend them but it wasnt like we got beat by some scrub receiver.

You have Pat Thomas out there and you're complaining about McGraw?

A safety gives us 2 points and the result of a free kick. Punting out of the endzone sets us up pretty well on O. I'm not convinced that the small probability of getting a safety is a better play than forcing them to punt out of the endzone.

Well they both suck but we have 0 LB's if they're gonna put another safety out there didn't they just draft DaJuan Morgan?

McGraw is more of a libability than Pat Thomas is.

do you know what we would have done with that good field position? I'll help you

run run swing pass punt

result: 0 points

Why the TO? Stupidest call of the game IMO. I think the Pats go 3-and-out without the TO, and we have the ball at midfield at the worst. I knew when we took the TO it was going to backfire.

Only thing I could think of was maybe looking/waiting for a replay to see if it was a safety and then challenge the play?

Exactly, we had momentum and killed it. Did them a favor.

Well, this administration has been a bit unforgiving to new players. Medlock is a good example. Why draft a kicker if he misses one FG and is effectively gone?


I do agree, if we draft them why not play them. On the job training!

McGraw is a friend of the Edwards family .. Surtain & McGraw both blew it ... And yes it helped the Patties too win ...

The Chiefs sold out to stop the run the first two plays. It is pretty clear they are going to do it again. The Pats probably figured they would get a couple yards at most by trying to run again. The Pats figure, why not go maximum protection, and see if Randy Moss can beat single coverage? If he's covered you punt from deep in your endzone, just like you would by running.

Gun counted on Belichick to be stupid. Gun practically forced the Pats to take a shot down the field. Then we act surprised.

One of the things a good coaching does is to keep the other team guessing. We don't even try do that. We telegraph 90% of what we are trying to do. Our coaching staff willfully concedes a whole aspect of the game. They contribute zero to the mental and strategic aspects of football.

They called a timeout because there was going to be a quarter break if they didn't. That would have given the Patriots even MORE time to think about what they wanted to do.

:shrug: Maybe. I knew we were screwed as soon as we took the TO though.

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I honestly think the only reason McGraw is on this team is because he's Herms friend.

Same reason why this Jones guy who plays G for the Chiefs is on the team.

Or Ron Edwards as well.

It's plain and simple. Surtain blew the coverage and let Moss run free.

PhilFree:arrow:

Of course Belichick did the exact same thing to us with the Devard Darling play. Gave huge chunks of yards to an offense that could not get them absent unneccessary risk from the defense.

Both defensive calls were very very stupid.

The call was good, the execution by McGraw was the problem. Why the **** is McGraw on the field instead of Morgan, anyway?!

Of course another problem might be our crappy DEs but that is actually Carl's fault or Herm, depending who you believe.

No, Surtain did his job. It was McGraw who failed to come running and hit Moss so hard his socks would come off and it was our slow-ass DEs who had to stop to get a bus transfer on their way to the QB.

why is mcintosh in place of herb and mcgraw for morgan

I think it was both of their faults really. Surtain should have at least slowed Moss up a little. If he had maybe McGraw would have had the time to make it over.

PhilFree:arrow:

it was a perfect pass that was undefendable without a PI.

In that situation i dont think the plan is to play press coverage. Its to play inside so he cant do a quick slant and the safety is supposed to be over the top waiting for the streak. McGraw wasnt where he was supposed to be and game 50 yard gain.

The reason for the TO was the wind. KC was trying to kill the clock and get them to punt from their endzone into the wind before they switched sides for the 2nd quarter. Herm was playing a field position game.

The second down play should've been called a safety.

The ball broke the plane out of the endzone. Not a safety

According to Madden during the Colts/Bears game last night, the entire ball has to get out of the endzone. Considering the runner was backing out of the endzone, I don't believe you can say for certain that the entire ball crossed the goal line.

Just one more reason to boot Herm's ass.

This has been my complaint about his aggressiveness for a long time. He's too predictable and it too often results in giving up a big play. I can't count how many times we've been burned for huge plays on third down blitzes.

If his aggressiveness is his strong suit it's time for a new coordinator, IMO.

If Dwayne bowe would've caught an easy touchdown to take it into overtime, brandon flowers wouldn't have ran into the punter, or pat thomas didn't get played like a fool by matt cassel we could have won this game. The call by gunther to blitz on the 1 yard line would have been a great call had mcgraw covered over top like he was supposed to there would have been double coverage on moss deep, and the patriots would have been punting from their endzone. The call was fine.

I have a question on this play ...

We called the TO on 3rd down, correct? Herm says that we did that because we wanted them to punt into the wind. My question is, how much time was on the play clock when we called TO? Would the quarter have ended BEFORE the 3rd down snap or AFTER?

FAX

I'm growing tired of Gunther. I have absolutely no experience in playing or coaching football but right before the play I said to my friend "Watch, they are going to throw deep to Randy Moss." And you all know what happened from there. The fact that Gunther did not have the foresight to see that coming and put double coverage on Moss is horrible. It's amazing how stupid our coaching is on both units on this team. A good opposing coach will often know what we are going to do before we do it.

The defense was designed to bring heat and to double cover moss deep its not gunthers fault surtain is slow and mcgraw is out of position

21 seconds. They should have been able to stop it again if they had stopped the Pats on 3rd down (or have the clock stop for an incomplete pass).

That is what I saw as well, Surtain got lost in space and the our backup safety was well out of position.

Hmmm. There were 21 seconds on the game clock ... there were 21 seconds on the play clock, too? The prior play was run at :58 according to the NFL site. The stuffed run by Morris would have been a darn brief play, one would think.

FAX

I assumed McGraw was playing run first and was out of position becuase he was cheating up on the run, i.e. it was a coaching decision that put him out of position. Plus being slow as Darling.

I'll take a mistake resulting from being aggressive. It happens sometimes.

I would have to agree with that, to me 90% of the time you run in that scenario

He's a Hermrine!!!!

Dave

We will have a lot of plays like this during the season with so many young players and not a whole lot of veteran talent