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Hammock Parties 09-08-2008 01:59 AM

King Carl gives Whitlock shit, and Whitlock fires right back!
 
LMAO. Epic journalismizing!

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/786871.html

In a battle of postgame cluelessness, the judges gave the title to The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl over “star” receiver Dwayne Bowe in a split decision.

I, of course, agree with the judges.

In the moments after the Chiefs fell to the New England Patriots 17-10, Carl Peterson sauntered over to me and bragged about Kansas City’s closer-than-expected loss.

“It wasn’t a fifth exhibition game for the Patriots,” Peterson sneered as I chatted with Tony Gonzalez.


Moments later, Bowe told me and several television reporters, “I played OK.”

I waited for the cameras to leave and then asked Bowe whether he was disappointed with his play and whether he was taking the loss personally. Bowe assured me he wasn’t.

Wow. The Chiefs nearly pulled off the shocker of the NFL opening weekend. Their defense knocked Tom Brady out of the game midway through the first quarter (knee injury), and the Kansas City offense lined up first and goal at the 5 with a chance to tie the game in the final seconds.

The two people most responsible for the loss felt nothing and/or the impulse to brag.

Bowe dropped the game-tying touchdown. On first and goal, Damon Huard drilled Bowe with a perfect fade stop. Bowe dropped it. His fourth drop of the game. Bowe was horrible Sunday. He made a leaping snag on a 13-yard TD catch. Other than that, he was miserable. He certainly wasn’t a No. 1 receiver.

“Too many drops,” Herm Edwards said after the game. “He’s better than that. He was pressing.”

When the game was over, I expected Bowe to stand before reporters and tearfully swear he’d never play that poorly again. I expected him to say what Edwards said: “I had too many drops. I’m better than that. I let my quarterback down. Damon came in and did a nice job replacing Brodie Croyle, and I have to make that catch for him and the team.”

Instead, Bowe insisted nothing was wrong and suggested the Chiefs played well in the second half.

Honestly, I anticipated Peterson’s cluelessness. He’ll never admit that he’s an anchor around this franchise. Sunday’s game was a glaring example of his shortcomings as a personnel man.

He’s never drafted and/or developed a No. 1 receiver, which has prevented the Chiefs from cultivating a legitimate franchise quarterback. For 20 years, the Chiefs have tried to win football games with pretenders at quarterback and receiver.

Andre Rison, a castoff at the end of his career, has been Peterson’s best receiver. Trent Green, a castoff and journeyman, has been Peterson’s best quarterback. In terms of draft picks, the best Peterson has done is Joe Horn, a guy Peterson let go because he wrongly concluded Horn wasn’t a real No. 1 receiver.

Rather than gloating about beating the spread because a potentially “illegal” hit sidelined Brady, Peterson should’ve watched the game and recognized his own failure.

In a league that requires a top-flight quarterback and receiver to win consistently, the Chiefs have the league’s second-youngest roster and no promising options at quarterback or receiver.

I know it’s just one game, but I’m far from convinced Bowe is a No. 1 receiver. He’s 10 pounds too thick by my eyes, a step too slow and much too immature. A four-drop afternoon angers and embarrasses a superstar receiver. A crucial fourth-quarter drop in the end zone causes depression.

I’ll be interested to see what Bowe does next week against Oakland.

It’s going to be interesting to see what the Chiefs do at quarterback the rest of this season. Croyle left because of a shoulder injury early in the third quarter. Kansas City’s receiver-less offense had done nothing to that point.

Huard provided a spark. He connected with Bowe for a score. On Kansas City’s final drive, Huard stood in the pocket, absorbed the rush of three New England defenders and hit KC’s No. 2 receiver Devard Darling with a beautiful strike on a skinny post.

Darling should have scored. He’s supposed to be KC’s speed receiver. He was out in space and somehow got dragged down 5 yards short of a 73-yard, game-tying TD catch-n-run.

“It should’ve been a score,” Darling said.

“I guess the guy had an angle on him,” Edwards said.

There was no angle. Darling is not a true No. 2 receiver. He’s a special-teams player masquerading as a No. 2 because of Peterson’s incompetence.

No doubt the Chiefs turned in a solid effort, especially on the defensive side. Kansas City’s young defenders up front — Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and Glenn Dorsey — showed some promise. The Chiefs’ defense, as has been the case for most of the Peterson era, flashed some grit.

Kansas City’s offense, on the other hand, was foiled by the exact same shortcomings that have haunted the Chiefs for 20 years.

At least we can credit Peterson for being consistently clueless. We can hope Bowe will get a clue as he matures.

Hammock Parties 09-08-2008 02:02 AM

Quote:

He’s 10 pounds too thick by my eyes
What is the ideal playing weight for a football writer, Whitlock?

You can't make this shit up. ROFL

Quote:

There was no angle. Darling is not a true No. 2 receiver. He’s a special-teams player masquerading as a No. 2 because of Peterson’s incompetence.
OH! TWIST THAT KNIFE, BIG SEXY!

This is some epic shit right here. I am enjoying this immensely. Rufus Dawes is FIRING UP THAT KEYBOARD AS WE SPEAK!

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At least we can credit Peterson for being consistently clueless. We can hope Bowe will get a clue as he matures.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 09-08-2008 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4994470)
What is the ideal playing weight for a football writer, Whitlock?

You can't make this shit up. ROFL



OH! TWIST THAT KNIFE, BIG SEXY!

This is some epic shit right here. I am enjoying this immensely. Rufus Dawes is FIRING UP THAT KEYBOARD AS WE SPEAK!

He has a point. Bowe probably could stand to drop a few pounds. He's not exactly built like TO. It might help his quickness.

Why he wants to pillory Bowe as not being a #1 after 17 games, I have no fucking idea.

Hammock Parties 09-08-2008 02:09 AM

Seriously, is there any better column than a column written when Carl pisses off Whitlock?

RELEASE YOUR ANGER!

This could be a special season.

Otter 09-08-2008 02:11 AM

Awesome article.

You could have a team full of superstars and they wouldn't win under these bumbling idiots. I hope the Chiefs lose every ****ing game this year if it means cleaning house of Peterson and his incompetent minions.

Everyone wants that idiot gone, just ****ing leave.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-08-2008 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4994472)
Seriously, is there any better column than a column written when Carl pisses off Whitlock?

RELEASE YOUR ANGER!

This could be a special season.

It'll be funny to see if Whitlock makes Bowe his personal hate project this year. He should focus on McIntosh and McGraw, because they prove the incompetence of the GM as well as the cronyism and incompetence of the HC.

McGraw should have gotten over and made a play on that ball to Moss on 3rd and 11. He was 5 steps late.

Mecca 09-08-2008 02:24 AM

I think the idea is that Bowe is really the Chiefs young star player and he's not reacting like you'd want him to. Owens for all his shit if he played like that would be pissed off at himself and say it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-08-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4994477)
I think the idea is that Bowe is really the Chiefs young star player and he's not reacting like you'd want him to. Owens for all his shit if he played like that would be pissed off at himself and say it.

I agree with that part of his article, but he's also saying that because he had one case of the dropsies that he's not a #1. It's not like Braylon Edwards or TO have Jerry Rice's hands.

Hammock Parties 09-08-2008 02:27 AM

I hope Bowe reads this. He might go for 200.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-08-2008 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4994479)
I hope Bowe reads this. He might go for 200.

For all the stupidity of the Raiders' FA moves, they are improved over last year and their secondary is demonstrably better than NE's.

Mecca 09-08-2008 02:32 AM

Asomugha is a damn good corner.....

Bowe probably should drop about 10lbs either that or tighten up, that's not saying he sucks just that he needs to focus a bit more.

BigRock 09-08-2008 02:57 AM

The best part about this article is that Bowe said some of the things Whitlock claims he didn't. I don't think there were tears in his eyes, but he did say there was "no doubt" he should have caught the TD pass and that he wanted to go out and work on those routes at practice.

Phobia 09-08-2008 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 4994495)
The best part about this article is that Bowe said some of the things Whitlock claims he didn't. I don't think there were tears in his eyes, but he did say there was "no doubt" he should have caught the TD pass and that he wanted to go out and work on those routes at practice.

I agree. I thought Bowe owned it. Everybody is going to react to adversity differently. The only thing you can demand is that they own it, not deflect or make excuses. I thought Bowe achieved that during the post-game interviews.

Whitlock is being nitpicky about it. Sometimes I'll read a Whitlock column believing he's writing something about a young player because he's hoping it will light a fire under him. I think that's the case here.

Swazey 09-08-2008 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 4994499)
Whitlock is being nitpicky about it. Sometimes I'll read a Whitlock column believing he's writing something about a young player because he's hoping it will light a fire under him. I think that's the case here.

Yup. Bowe's a smart cat... He'll give his lip a rest and work his hands.

Chiefs=Champions 09-08-2008 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 4994499)
I agree. I thought Bowe owned it. Everybody is going to react to adversity differently. The only thing you can demand is that they own it, not deflect or make excuses. I thought Bowe achieved that during the post-game interviews.

Whitlock is being nitpicky about it. Sometimes I'll read a Whitlock column believing he's writing something about a young player because he's hoping it will light a fire under him. I think that's the case here.

lol at Whitlock... notice the lack of quotes on Bowes assurance he played well...

hes right about Carl though...

TEX 09-08-2008 05:23 AM

Whitlock nailed this one IMO. When a WR at any level drops 4 he did NOT play "ok." When a GM is fired up about "playing it closeer than expected" he's NOT playing to win and thus is NOT a good GM. What a bunch of pathetic LOSERS. Seems the fans care more...:shake:

Deberg_1990 09-08-2008 05:32 AM

I refuse to get down on Bowe so soon. Thats just dumb. Not when Guys like Marvin Harrison, Braylon Edwards and many others didnt break out until their 3rd and 4th seasons.

Maybe JW is just trying to light a fire??

Bob Dole 09-08-2008 05:41 AM

It would be a truly awesome article if the play Jason is harping on was really a play and not blown dead because of a NE timeout.

Bob Dole isn't saying that Bowe doesn't need to get over the dropsies, but facts is facts and that wouldn't have been a TD even if he HAD caught the ball.

jjjayb 09-08-2008 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4994478)
I agree with that part of his article, but he's also saying that because he had one case of the dropsies that he's not a #1. It's not like Braylon Edwards or TO have Jerry Rice's hands.

Except for the fact that Bowe has had the dropsies since he's been here. Sure he can make the circus catch while double covered, but he drops too many routine catches.

InChiefsHeaven 09-08-2008 06:16 AM

What freaks me out the most is we could have, should have won this game. Against the friggin' PATRIOTS! Bowe needed to come up big, but instead he really looked bad, at least in the first half...wide open on 3rd down, Croyle makes a throw for the ages and Bowe starts running before he catches the ball...I think that was his second drop. Bowe is supposed to be there to help Croyle, not **** him over.

...now that Croyle is injured, I guess it's a moot point, but if he wasn't I'd hope he'd get in Bowe's face later and tell him to shape the **** up...

007 09-08-2008 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 4994565)
What freaks me out the most is we could have, should have won this game. Against the friggin' PATRIOTS! Bowe needed to come up big, but instead he really looked bad, at least in the first half...wide open on 3rd down, Croyle makes a throw for the ages and Bowe starts running before he catches the ball...I think that was his second drop. Bowe is supposed to be there to help Croyle, not **** him over.

...now that Croyle is injured, I guess it's a moot point, but if he wasn't I'd hope he'd get in Bowe's face later and tell him to shape the **** up...

You honestly thought we would win the game had it gone to OT? Seriously?

Hell, I would have called for us to go for 2 rather than play for OT. Only because it was NE.

Chiefnj2 09-08-2008 06:47 AM

We have a GM who is happy that the Chiefs played it close, as opposed to actually winning the game when they had 4 shots to get it in the endzone from the 5. I guess Herm was a good choice for Carl after all.

As for Bowe, he was always known at LSU as being a very good receiver who would occassionally drop some easy balls. Some people bought into the excuse that the drops stopped after he received some corrective eye surgery, but it didn't really. Bowe was never known for having great hands.

TrickyNicky 09-08-2008 06:49 AM

Do they make Prescription helmet visors?

Buehler445 09-08-2008 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4994477)
I think the idea is that Bowe is really the Chiefs young star player and he's not reacting like you'd want him to. Owens for all his shit if he played like that would be pissed off at himself and say it.

I'd beg to differ on that one. Owens' first year in Dallas he had a ginormous case of the dropsies. I remember one game, he caught a glimpse of the LB looking to smoke him when he was coming across the middle. You could see him stutter step and then aligator arm it. Not just a little bit, but like the full chomp.

That was the year that the media said that he had a league high "drops" even though thats a terribly unofficial and subjective stat. IIRC, all I remember him saying is that he is always working hard in the offense to be the best he can be or some BS like that.

TN_Chief 09-08-2008 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 4994606)
I'd beg to differ on that one. Owens' first year in Dallas he had a ginormous case of the dropsies. I remember one game, he caught a glimpse of the LB looking to smoke him when he was coming across the middle. You could see him stutter step and then aligator arm it. Not just a little bit, but like the full chomp.

That was the year that the media said that he had a league high "drops" even though thats a terribly unofficial and subjective stat. IIRC, all I remember him saying is that he is always working hard in the offense to be the best he can be or some BS like that.

I hate TO with a passion. But that first season in Dallas he had a F'd-up hand/finger that required offseason surgery. That's why he dropped so many balls.

Buehler445 09-08-2008 07:00 AM

I guess my take on it is that King Carl is a douchenozzle. Whitlock didn't really uncover anything substantial there.

As far as Bowe goes, the cat is in his second year. He's going to make second year player mistakes. The important part is that he privately recognizes and rectifies them. Whether he does it in public really has no effect on me.

I would urge you people to take patience with the young people on this team. They are going to miss blocks, drop passes, blow coverages, not get off blocks, etc. We can't throw them under the bus every time a rookie makes a rookie mistake.

KevB 09-08-2008 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 4994533)
It would be a truly awesome article if the play Jason is harping on was really a play and not blown dead because of a NE timeout.

Bob Dole isn't saying that Bowe doesn't need to get over the dropsies, but facts is facts and that wouldn't have been a TD even if he HAD caught the ball.

Bob Dole,

The first play that wouldn't have counted was also a fade to Bowe, and it was actually caught out of bounds by the defender. The second play (and first that would have counted) was the fade stop to Bowe that he dropped....that would have counted.

WilliamTheIrish 09-08-2008 07:07 AM

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Kansas City’s offense, on the other hand, was foiled by the exact same shortcomings that have haunted the Chiefs for 20 years
The same "Keep it close and steal it late" philosophy of Marty.

The same "We need a game manager, not a playmaker" QB philosophy.

This is going to be a Paul Wiggin like year.

Extra Point 09-08-2008 08:26 AM

Whitlock complains that the pork chop at the restaurant doesn't smell fresh enough, while he sits in the pants he shit in all day.

Phobia 09-08-2008 08:34 AM

I'm just thrilled Jason made it through an entire game in Foxboro without a looming suspension. Congratulations on that, Jason. Well done.

BigChiefFan 09-08-2008 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4994475)
It'll be funny to see if Whitlock makes Bowe his personal hate project this year. He should focus on McIntosh and McGraw, because they prove the incompetence of the GM as well as the cronyism and incompetence of the HC.

McGraw should have gotten over and made a play on that ball to Moss on 3rd and 11. He was 5 steps late.

I agree. Why the Hell is McGraw even in the game on a third and long? He is a special teamer, at best.

ShortRoundChief 09-08-2008 09:35 AM

Was it me or did he blame peterson for bowe dropping the game tying touchdown

ChiefsCountry 09-08-2008 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4994475)
It'll be funny to see if Whitlock makes Bowe his personal hate project this year. He should focus on McIntosh and McGraw, because they prove the incompetence of the GM as well as the cronyism and incompetence of the HC.

McGraw should have gotten over and made a play on that ball to Moss on 3rd and 11. He was 5 steps late.

Whitlock is trying to motivate Bowe, those guys shouldnt be on the roster not worth the time to type an article about how much they suck.

ChiefsCountry 09-08-2008 09:46 AM

I'm suprised Whitlock hasnt pimped the Ball State QB yet.

btlook1 09-08-2008 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 4994999)
I'm suprised Whitlock hasnt pimped the Ball State QB yet.

Wait.....Jeff George is still out there!

Sure-Oz 09-08-2008 10:18 AM

Bowe needs to get his head out of his ass and show up...

He dropped some easy shit, he's better than that, and when interviewing he was like a puppy that was down, didn't have an answer really to anything. Say you ****ed up and get better!

HC_Chief 09-08-2008 10:48 AM

Whitlock nailed it

picasso 09-08-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4994481)
For all the stupidity of the Raiders' FA moves, they are improved over last year and their secondary is demonstrably better than NE's.

That is not true. They suck all around.
I know because I have seen them twice this year in preseason.

DaneMcCloud 09-08-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 4994628)
The same "Keep it close and steal it late" philosophy of Marty.

The same "We need a game manager, not a playmaker" QB philosophy.

This is going to be a Paul Wiggin like year.

You expected differently?

chiefsngop 09-08-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 4994594)
You honestly thought we would win the game had it gone to OT? Seriously?

Hell, I would have called for us to go for 2 rather than play for OT. Only because it was NE.

In Herm's post game chat on 101 The Fox he alluded that they just might have gone for 2. He didn't say they definetly would've but made it obvious he was thinking seriously about it.

No defense of Herm here, I'm a Herm Hater, just sayin.....

teedubya 09-08-2008 12:11 PM

Bowe dropped more than 4 passes. I counted at least 6.

If you are the self-proclaimed "Bowe Show" ****ing make some plays. He thinks he is a superstar already, and he is not.

blueballs 09-08-2008 12:13 PM

Bowe has replaced Eddie Kennison
in more ways than one

WilliamTheIrish 09-08-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 4995270)
You expected differently?

No. I expected the same ol', same ol'. I'm merely stating for the record, that it still hurts watching this team wallow.

StcChief 09-08-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop (Post 4995352)
In Herm's post game chat on 101 The Fox he alluded that they just might have gone for 2. He didn't say they definetly would've but made it obvious he was thinking seriously about it.

No defense of Herm here, I'm a Herm Hater, just sayin.....

talk after the game .... going for 2. we said that in the bar, HE WOULD NOT GO FOR 2, when it came down to it. LJ couldn't get in, depending on Huard for get it.

Pablo 09-08-2008 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by picasso (Post 4995242)
That is not true. They suck all around.
I know because I have seen them twice this year in preseason.

We looked pretty decent in a couple preseason games. I suppose that's mean we're going to be a decent team this year?

Between Asomugha, Hall, and Huff the Raiders have a very respectable secondary. And they'll have a very respectable run game this year. Their passing offense and run defense are going to be the big question marks, along with a young QB and a lackluster WR corps.

orange 09-08-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 4994999)
I'm suprised Whitlock hasnt pimped the Ball State QB yet.

Actually, he has already.

In his NFL Truths column for FoxSports:

2. The Ball State Cardinals are going to run the table and make a bid to crash the BCS bowl party. I (spit) you not.

The Cardinals are loaded. In Nate Davis, they have quite possibly the quarterback with the most pro potential in the college game. Davis' favorite target is Wes Welker clone, Dante Love. The Cards have a 6-foot-6 tight end, Darius Hill, who can't be stopped in the red zone. Their right tackle, Robert Brewster, is one of the nation's best run blockers. Ball State punter, Chris Miller, is a two-time Playboy All-American.

Ball State is this year's Boise State.

BigRock 09-08-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 4994594)
Hell, I would have called for us to go for 2 rather than play for OT. Only because it was NE.

According to Gretz, who directly quoted Herm, they definitely would have gone for 2.

Hammock Parties 09-08-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 4996245)
According to Gretz, who directly quoted Herm, they definitely would have gone for 2.

Larry could have jumped over the pile for 2. God I would have spooged.

jjchieffan 09-08-2008 03:54 PM

Yet another example of why Fatlock should not be a columnist. What a dumbass piece of shit. I want to read Chiefs news not some fatass never has been's worthless opinion.

Bwana 09-08-2008 05:04 PM

JW nailed this one. Peterson is a complete tool and Bowe looked like Sammie Parker out there yesterday.

triple 09-08-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4996259)
Larry could have jumped over the pile for 2. God I would have spooged.

It's sad that he can get 2/3 of the YPC he is getting just by jumping into the pile.

MahiMike 09-08-2008 05:52 PM

NAIIILLLEEEDDD IT!

(as usual)


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