Is there a franchise QB in next year's draft?
 

I'm think the Chiefs draft Oher from Ole Miss in the first round & then the QB in round two.:spock:

*sigh*

I hear that guy from Florida is pretty good.

No QB as of now that I'd be comfortable with drafting high.

I'd rather go with a surer pick, someone like Oher. Him and Albert on the same line, in any combination of spots, for the next 10 years would be amazing.

If you want to go for a skill position and add a weapon on offense, Crabtree would be atop my wish list right now.

That would be paying a lot of money and wasting a high pick for a RT or guard. Unless Albert has a horrible season or there is no one else of value left where we pick (unlikely), I wouldn't take Oher.

I'll get called a homer for this, but if Freeman decides to come out, I think he has the potential to be in the league for awhile.

****ing homer!

As for the answer, it's obvious.
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Chase Daniel?

Didn't this thread just happen a few hours ago?

ROFL

Casey Dick FTW(barely against scrub teams)

We have a reeruned amount of cap space and really 4 open spots on the offensive line as far as our future is concerned. I'm also factoring in the fact that I think Oher's one of the surer picks in the draft and probably the most likely player we could take who would earn the contract he'd get.

We've seen the effects of having a top notch offensive line. You can do a lot without having great talent at your skill positions. It'd also provide stability for when we finally do find a quarterback we can build around.

You're right, we have seen the effects of an elite offensive line and an average QB => early playoff exits, and that was with two HOFers.

QBs win Super Bowls, not offensive lines. Olinemen are certainly important, but we aren't going anywhere unless we stumble upon a franchise QB.

If you really want a sure pick in the draft at tackle, it's Eugene Monroe. He doesn't have Oher's upside, though.

How convenient of you to ignore the defense. :rolleyes:

What kind of reeruned logic is that? The downfall wasn't the offense, it was the defense.

That's great and I'd agree with you if there was a franchise QB available that high. I don't see one I'd want right now and that's why I'd take Oher.

Chase Daniels.

Yeah, I bet Seattle was terribly disappointed in spending the 17th pick and all that cash on Hutchinson...

Its too early to judge this year's qb class. A full season is an eternity in college football. We don't know what juniors will declare. We haven't seen the combine or the senior bowl.

Eh. I don't think Monroe has the versatility of Oher or Andre Smith and frankly I don't think he's any better. I'd definitely prefer those two over him. I do have a thing for uber athletic linemen though.

If Huard is the quarterback we wont get the first pick. It will be lower - it would probally net us Rey Maualuga. Which would be an upgrade for our defensive quite a bit. Make one sick defense for sure.

I think that Oher and Smith are better prospects, but if you are looking for a Tamba Hali-esque sure thing, it's Monroe. That's all I was saying.

It's reeruned logic because it doesn't jive with your point? This is a QBs league and QBs win Super Bowls. That's why teams fall all over themselves to try and draft the riskiest position in the game - they know the rewards are great.

Interesting point, but most draft prognosticators disagree with you.

No, it's reeruned logic because you're holding what was the best OLine in football responsible for the team's horrible defense. You could have won plenty of Super Bowls with that offense, despite having the league's worst set of WRs, an undrafted running back who got scooped up in free agency, and a journeyman quarterback. That was seriously one of the least talented(in terms of skill positions) great offenses in the history of the game and it was because of the offensive line.

I don't know which part of my post wasn't clear. I don't see a franchise quarterback worthy of being taken that high and you don't just reach for one.

I think most scouts would agree with me. I think Stafford is at least debatable as to whether he's top 10-15ish material(I'm talking about in terms of talent, not where he'll get picked), but after that there really isn't much. As it stands, next year is a pretty bad QB class.

Go**ammit. I've said it for years. KC should of taken Drew Brees. He's a modern day version of Lenny Dawson. I hate Dick Vermeil and Carl.

I was on that bandwagon. I loved Trent Green but Brees would have been nice.

[QUOTE=HolmeZz;4996846]No, it's reeruned logic because you're holding what was the best OLine in football responsible for the team's horrible defense. You could have won plenty of Super Bowls with that offense, despite having the league's worst set of WRs, an undrafted running back who got scooped up in free agency, and a journeyman quarterback. That was seriously one of the least talented(in terms of skill positions) great offenses in the history of the game and it was because of the offensive line


priest WAS talented no matter if he was a FA he was talented, he played well at texas, won a sb with bal., had over 1000 one year with bal. he WAS talented. Green was going to be the corner piece for sl before he was hurt, also we had the best TE ever

Depends who's coming out....which no one really knows.

Man, I miss the Trent Green passing days.

Please show me where I was "holding the best Oline in football responsible for the team's horrible defense". Duh, the defense sucked, but the overriding point, for the third time now, is that QBs win in this league, not offensive lines. I'm not sure if you're a former Olineman that has a stick up his ass, but QBs are more valuable than offensive linemen. Again, that's why teams fall all over themselves to draft the riskiest position in football at the top of the draft year after year.

Stafford is currently predicted as a top three, if not the top overall pick in the draft. If that's not a potential franchise QB to you, then no offense, but you're a football moron. He has everything you look for in a QB in terms of measurables, leadership, and savvy. Who knows what will happen between now and next April, as Stafford could fall off a cliff and/or other QBs could rise to the top, but at this point it's just foolish to act as if next year is a shitty year for QBs.

If guys like Bradford and Sanchez come out you're going to see 3 QB's with possible top 5 pick status associated with them...and I'm sure some here will say none of them are worth it.

sanchez a top 5 guy right NOW? he's thrown for just about 1100 yards in 2 years and 1 game. bradford maybe stafford maybe

I'd bet my life savings that at least 1/3 of the board says that.

For some reason KC fans love having crap, underachieving QBs that they can root for, rather than rolling the dice on a stud.

Sanchez has this entire season....that's 1 thing, the other thing Sanchez has is the pure physical talent, he is the most naturally gifted player to play QB at SC since Palmer. He has good mobility, a ridiculous arm, good size, good leadership, he's a scouts dream. He could declare tomorrow and go in the 1st round with a good/great season maybe national championship winning you're looking at top 5 status.

but as of right now hes done NOTHING. why does every thread have to turn into a usc conversation?

Too many people equate potential franchise qb with a perfect prospect. You can't wait for a John Elway type prospect. Drafting qbs is a gamble, but its one worth taking if you want to build a contender. I'd rather take a risk on a qb than draft a LT so we can unnecessarily move Albert to guard.

agreed

I think your homer vision is on here, the kid is good but when I was watching the Virginia game he made some decisions that could've gotten him in trouble if it weren't for the talent surrounding him.

Probally bc they are the most talented college team in the nation.

You do realize under that stand, Matt Stafford hasn't done much of anything either...you have to project things to think about the draft, I don't think Sanchez is coming out anyway but it's up for debate.

When you talk about the draft you have to talk SC, they are now what Miami use to be it doesn't have that much to do with me being a SC fan.

Hell I love CJ Spiller, does he play for SC?

I'm not a USC fan but Sanchez could be a Carson Palmer.

And? We're talking about what could happen next April, not now. Sanchez has as much pure talent as anyone in the nation and is certainly a contender for a top five pick if he plays up to his potential this season.

well lets see stafford=4760 career yards
sanchez=1100 career yards.
YOURE RIGHT ONCE AGAIN MECCA

All we've known are the 30-something castoffs like Bono,Grbac,Gannon,Green,and Huard. Then the "QBOTF" is a 3rd rounder who is made of glass. Carl is too scared of drafting the next Harrington/Shuler/Carr/McNown that he won't take the chance of getting the next Manning/Palmer/McNabb.

Because USC has good pro prospects?

but but.. he was the product of the Purdue offensive system

he could palmer had like 100 yards yesterday

Is there something about my posts you're not comprehending? I'm not devaluing the importance of a franchise quarterback. If there was one I was convinced of I'd have no problem taking one. I don't see one I'd be comfortable with right now. I'd be more than comfortable with Oher.

That's great. I heard the same things about Alex Smith, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart(none of whom I particularly cared for, and Young who I called one of the most overrated prospects I've seen coming out).

Some quarterbacks have it and some don't. QBs are risky for a reason, and I'm not going to be in favor of taking a risk on a player I've seen and have not been sold on.

It's definitely not foolish. I think you have one pretty good QB prospect in Stafford and then it's extreme mediocrity after him.

Chase Daniel and Todd Reesing have more yards than Stafford, so I guess they'll be drafted before him, right?

Staffords career high in a game came this year against Georgia Southern at 275. Sanchez threw for over 300 against Virginia....

Sanchez has all the talent stop spinning things and acting like you are 5 years old you get the logical basis of this or if you don't that's kinda sad....hell look at the other posts in the thread.

If we're on the topic of USC QBs I'd like for us to see what it would take to get Leinart from the Cardinals. They seem to not want him. His numbers are pretty good. I'd take him in a millisecond over anything we have.

Manning sucked yesterday, they are still both top 5 quarterbacks in the league.

I would have to see more, because I wasn't impressed with the Virginia game.

thats great mecca, sanchez has ALOT of great players around him he SHOULD THROW FOR 300+ EVERY WEEK, hell brodie could WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOR USC

We will get a real good look this week. Could be his coming out party to the nation.

The things you have to look at with Sanchez is the scouting things, he's playing in a pro style offense which is big points, and he has a ridiculous arm and natural talent...

People need to stop basing so much on stats and factor in the things that go into the NFL draft, pure physical talent is every bit if not more important than production to alot of teams.

dont know about palmer as a top 5 qb but we've had THAT arguement before and i showed stats to prove that

Sanchez isn't built like a string bean...

i'll give you that but we REALLY need to see more out of him before we say draft the guy

ill give you that too, but if this was brodie's senior year and he played for usc they would win the national champ.

So basically you're scared to draft a QB for fear of ending up with a bust. That sounds familiar.

Listen, no one knows what will happen in April, but right now there are a handful of QBs that have elite, franchise QB potential. All things considered, I'd much rather take the great QB prospect over the great OL prospect. The risk is certainly higher, but so is the reward.

It's peoples fear of being Arizona or Cincy, they'd rather build to be the 90s Chiefs or Jaguars where you make the playoffs every year but lose instead of taking that chance to actually win something.

agreed but we NEED to hit on the right one the first time this team will be wasting its youth waiting for a QB

off subject but i would be ECSTATIC if we tried to get leinart from ari.

I'm not sure we can develop any QB with this coaching staff to be honest.

dammit mecca there you go saying something else i agree with. WTF is wrong with you?

I wasn't basing it on natural talent, it is his decision making that needs to improve. On one play he threads a needle, and then on the next play he throws into double coverage.

agreed but he is young, like i said we need to see more ALOT more

Are you reeruned? What about "I don't have a problem taking a QB high if I really like them" don't you understand?

Please name them. I could use the laugh.

a) It depends on what your needs are.

b) I already friggin' said I don't see a great QB prospect, which is why I would prefer we take a great OL prospect.

Hey we'll see, but you gotta live the guys toughness, ****s up his knee and doesn't miss any games.

Are you going to tell him guys like Stafford and Bradford aren't top 5 guys they're just being elevated like Matt Ryan?

I remember how everyone hated Ryan.....Ryan won his game yesterday and looked very good for a rookie starting opening weekend.

A 70 yard TD on your first NFL pass will do that for you.

1. I don't see Bradford coming out(and I don't think he's as good a prospect as Stafford as it stands right now anyway).

2. I liked Matt Ryan. If Stafford shows me the things Ryan showed me last year, I'll be comfortable with the pick.

Establishing a QB needs to be the one of the first moves in a rebuild, not one of the last. We needed to do it in 2005, 2006 or 2007 if we were going to build an offense around him. We didn't do that, so what we have to do is go the vet route in 2009. Now, that doesn't mean the Chiefs can't draft a QBotF to groom behind a vet for 2011 or 2012, but there should be enough pieces in place by next year to make this a playoff-calibre team, and they should be a Superbowl contender in 2010, if they have someone who can play behind center (and that means not a rookie or 2nd year player).

As much as I'd like to develop from within (and I would) I just think they're past that point in the rebuild process.

Fair enough, I'm not completely sold on Stafford either to be honest.

Bradford is the QB I think that has the best future in the NFL. And no its not bc he plays in the Big 12, I watch as many SEC games a week as I do Big 12. He is smart, athletic, has a good arm and wins. He reminds me a little bit of Brady with a funky throwing motion.

Good God you're a ****ing dumbass. Please avoid all draft threads from now until April, you are clueless.

Stafford and Sanchez are no-brainers right now, Bradford is also if he comes out, and then other guys will rise to the surface like the do every - single - year.

Keep screaming that you don't see any potential franchise QBs, and everyone else with a clue will keep laughing at your posts.

I see Bradford and Sanchez as the best 2 NFL prospects because of what they are coming from more than anything.

I don't think Stafford even though his pure talent is there is quite aswell set up. People can say well Sanchez is at SC, Stafford is playing with maybe the best RB in college football and has really never had to shoulder the load for his team.

Stafford has the size, well weight wise and the arm but I am not sold on him either. He is good but Ryan is better than him and you guys know I wasnt impressed with Ryan. Tebow could be another Steve Young with the right coach IMO. Holmgren or Andy Reid would be perfect for him. Freeman will shoot up the charts, he is JaMarcus part 2.

steve young said that there no franchise QBS coming out in the draft