Fire Herm Edwards NOW!!!
 

I warned you... It was coming. Late but **** it.

Too tired to elaborate, but for ****s sakes, ELIMINATE THIS BASTARD!!!

Til next week...
PTL

Peace

Out

P.S. - Why isn't there a FIRE HERM EDWARDS prefix?

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LOL

But if Carl fires him, it is likely that Carl gets to keep his job.

I'm waiting for the 2ferone cou'pn.

I bet Carl was waiting for just ONE MORE "fire Herm" thread before he pulled the trigger...

Carl will never fire Herm. He didn't fire Dick.

They're going to get the axe together.

Instead of firing him, can we suit him up and put him under center on 3rd and long and just call a pass play? That oughta do it.

FAX THE OPTIMISTICAL

That's the best damn idea I've read in a while. Either make rebuilding the O-Line a priority, or get your ass under center on 3rd and long.

I bet he not only has a better arm than Huard, I bet he can scramble better too...

Your right...He didnt fire Marty either. The only one he fired was Gun.

Wow ... I just realized that. You're right. Carl hasn't fired any coach (other than Gunther who basically went nuts and fell on his sword) since he's been here. They either retire or quit on him. That, right there, is a fascinating stat (in a very positive way, of course).

FAX THE MORE POSITIVE THAN A POSITIVELY CHARGED POSITRON

Carl doesn't fire coaches because then he'd be admitting he made a mistake.

In Gunther's case...it was obvious to everyone.

KC Johnny?

Everyone that's not a complete headcase...

EGGSactly.:cuss:

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No. The few. The proud. The Hermines.

You go girl!!!

If Herm is fired Carl is liable to hire someone worse. Getting rid of Herm without Carl is futile.

Carl fired Frank Ganz.

Or did he quit?

FAX

Herm is going no where and neither is King Carl at least until after the 2009-2010 season at the earliest.

I honestly don't understand all of the Herman Edwards hate. This team is headed in the right direction because of his plan for the team. Are there things about him that are annoying and that he could improve on? Sure. But the program is clearly on the upswing.

There are only three drafted players from the Vermeil era still on this team. LJ, Colquitt, and DJ. Herm was handed a squad of old and shitty players and the team had no direction. Now that Turk and Tank are contributing in a big way, it would be hard for any team to match what he has accomplished with the last three drafts.

More importanly, drafted players don't rot on the bench the way they did with Vermeil. Of course a lot of that had to do with how lousy we drafted under DV. But the point is that, like Marty, Edwards can coach them up and get them ready to play. And the players seem to like playing for Herm.

So while there may be some legitimate complaints about his game day philosophy, his overall approach is solid and is proving to be effective, IMO.

Herm is a ridiculously bad game day coach, that wants to utilize an offensive philosophy that is stuck in 1962, he is frankly stuck in the era he played in, they talk about the game passing someone by, here's a good example. He refuses to adapt to what the league has become.

That's why Herm has alot of hate, his idea of playing young players and wanting to build through the draft is fine, but the way he coaches games is completely out of touch.

Yeah, it pretty much has to get better from where Herm took the team. Its all good, Herm is a genious.

Herm needs to go so does Carl limp di#k . I can not believe a GM with his record still has a job!!! Herm is his on worst enemy CONSERVATIVE play calling , Herm will never have a QB when the D knows what is coming ! Herm Edwards will never I will say never be Head Coach of another NFL team.:shake:

The teams Gunther coached were already in disarray from the meltdown this team had in '98.

IMO coached well with what he had to work with. Those 2 years were terrible and we really didn't deserve to have a record like we did (16-16)

What I don't understand is why people think this???

Never have I heard anything that supports this. Nor have I ever heard of any player saying that they don't like playing for a certain coach.

This statement is just based off of the fact that Herm once played in this league, therefore people assume that he's a "Player's Coach."

Truth is hes a huge ****ing idiot and I can guarantee that no one likes playing for a proven loser. Eventually (and just like last year) this team is going to give up on what he's trying to do because it's simply not working.

Herm goes out the door it may leave Dick Curl in control.

Tell us what is not obvious about Herm

don't think so. Curl is here because Herm needs him.......which speaks volumes in my opinion

Hehe. See how this thread looks on my Windows task bar?

I think too often people get coaching jobs not because they're bright, but because they're former players or they know people or they just get pulled along with some other coach.

I was watching one of those NFL Network Super Bowl shows, and Bill Belichick was talking about game-planning. I think it was against the Ravens. He said that they were quite happy on defense, because offensive tackle Orlando Brown had a specific stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a pass, and a different stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a run. (The story continued that Orlando Brown was a game-day scratch, but that's irrelevant.)

What amazed me is that the Ravens or whoever have an offensive line coach, and that coach never noticed this? The guy's job is to know and understand and teach a group of 8 or 9 players, and he never noticed that his starting offensive tackle has a 100% giveaway in his stance? This is the NFL, with all the money in the world and all the power to hire the best people, and some team has a coach who doesn't notice this?

If I was an owner, I would hire the smartest game-planner and game-day coach, and the odds are very, very low that it would be a former player. They're 0.0001 percent of the population.

There's way too much of a good ol' boy network in the NFL.

Pretty much. ****em both!

Oh, I don't know. Vermeil didn't exactly leave this team with much. As I pointed out, only three draft picks from Vermeil's entire five year tenure are still on this team (LJ, DJ, and Colquitt).

I'm not so sure this team wasn't in for a steep decline regardless of who the next coach was. I'm not trying to be contrary. I just think that Edwards doesn't deserve as much grief as he gets. In some aspects he's done a nice job.

Now Gunther is a coach that I think is in over his head.

I guess it goes back to whether or not players respond to coaching or not. So far, it appears as though they are. At least, that has to be one measure of it. The fact that he can coach them up and get them ready to play says something about they way young players respond to their coach, IMO.

Look, I'm not saying Edwards is the greatest coach since sliced bread. But I do give him credit for changing the culture and attitude of the team. Bringing in a lot of good young talent. And getting that young talent ready to play. I also give him credit for turning around a defense that was humiliating to watch.

All I'm saying is that I don't think he deserves as much hate as he gets.

What's odd is that Al Davis does it so differently. He hired Lane Kiffin because he basically gave the guy like a six-hour test during their interview, had a white board and shit, and threw all this football stuff at him. Kiffin apparently passed the test.

Then Al Davis goes out and takes away all of Kiffin's power. ROFL

The NFL is so ****ed up. When people aren't hiring the right guy and handcuffing him, they're hiring the wrong guy and giving him all the power.

Yeah. If I was GM, I'd hire cerebral people for all of the assistant and head coach positions, and their job would be to make the players and the game plans fundamentally sound. Then I'd hire 2 or 3 former players to go around and scream at players and get them all stoked up and serve as role models for success. I'd call them "Assistant Screaming Coaches".

Demote Herm to draft assistant with no role in game planning.

He can help with the draft and spend rest of year being an ESPN sportscaster

I'll get Carl on the phone ASAP and let him know yet another CP poster wants Herm fired.

This issue should be resolved by day's end.

Happens everywhere, NCAA too.

Watched Notre Dame v. San Diego Saturday, told my wife just 5 minutes into the game that Notre Dame would have fumbling problems during the game.

Their running backs were carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Sure enough they had 3 fumble that game. Why the hell didn't the coach's see something that I, average joe fan, could see coming ?

If this thread was started because we lost our first game, then you have a long season ahead of you. Like it or not, Herm is not getting fired this year, period. Maybe after next season, at the earliest.

This is a good take if your talking NCAA football. In the pro ranks, coaching staffs work off a game plan to utilize your strengths vs their weakness's on a week to week basis(IMO). Teammates rely on team leaders to motivate one another gameday ala Ray Lewis/Joey Porter to name just a few.
Herm had no other choice but to "re-build". And thats what scares me, is our coaching staff will be doing it.

What culture and attitude did he change?

So you credit him for taking an offensive scoring minded team and turning them into the R2P2 scared shitless Field Goal Bonanza offense?

What has he done exactly with the defense in 3 years? Took them from 32 to middle of the pack in 3 years, but took the offense from top 5 to absolute embarrasing in 2 short years?

And dont come back with the, he lost Roaf Bullshit... Herm has never had a potent offense, nor can he keep a QB healthy with his lack of talent he scouts for his OL's.... He proved that at NY and proving it here...

I am starting to question his scouting abilities as well... When will he start producing ProBowl players, with his "god" like abilities as a NFL Scout?

ROFL

Armchair coaches.... gotta love it....

"I'm smarterer than Herm!"

I wish Herm Edwards was our head scout.

I wish Dick Vermeil was our offensive coordinator.

I wish Marty Schottenheimer was our defensive coordinator.

And I wish we had a head coach who would do nothing except not allow the three of them to ever speak to one other.

Dick Vermeil originally was a ST coach

I humbly must agree with this post...I want to enjoy this season and not have it go in the tank like week 8 and on last year. when you look at his picks...they are starting to play some ball...I think the Ingle will be starting by week 5 as well..

ROFL

God I hope you are smarter than Herm... If not, you would need a drool bucket and helmet...

I for one, believe you are smarter than Herm... Your breathing arent you?

My point is, when Marty was here, the defense was great, but the offense sucked.

When Dick was here, the offense was great, but the defense COMPLETELY sucked.

And now Herm is here, and despite bringing in talent and dumping dead weight, everything sucks, because he isn't fit to coach lamaze.

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Very nice take!

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Thanks. But my amusement was in reference to the way people in this thread judge a head football coach. Specifically the simplicity with which they make their judgments.

The "grass is greener" mindset is pretty obvious. And if many people in this thread had their way, we would likely be firing 3/4 of the staff yearly, no matter what the production. As if it were as easy and firing this guy and hiring that guy......

If it were up to the fans nearly EVERY coaching staff in the league would be fired. The coaches don't know squat, but people who sit around and play madden and fantasy football could build a championship in no time. All fan bases do that crap.

My feeling is that there were a lot of players on Vermeil's team that were just collecting paychecks. I also don't think there was much of a team mentality. Sure, the offense was high flying but everything centered around the offense. And many of those players were at the end of their careers. I just think there is more team chemistry and a more positive attitude than before. And that usually starts with the head coach.

Look, I don't disagree with some of the specific criticisms that many of you are leveling against Edwards. Could he do a better job game-planning? Sure. Could he be a little less conservative? Sure. All I'm saying is that he should get some credit where credit is due. I don't think he's as bad as some of you are making him out to be. That's all.

I don't know more than him about coaching in the NFL, but I F-ing GUARANTEE you that I am smarter than Herm Edwards.

Short lived as it may be.

Carl has this year and maybe next. He will be gone soon enough. Herm needs to go now regardless of what happens to Carl.

We b*tched about Marty losing playoff games. He was very aggressive in the regular season but went into the play safe mode in the playoffs. We now have a HC that is in a permanent play safe mode. "We play to win?" "We always need to be within one score in the 4th quarter." "More than 21 points is Arena League Football."

Herm needs to be removed from the HC position now, it will get no better in the future.

Is this reallly the best you can do? YOU PAY YOUR MONEY - WHAT DO YOU GET??? The Kinks

How would you like to be a QB in the NFL under Herm? His R2P2 Offense, has killed more NFL QB's than Cancer.

Here's why most think they are "smarterer" than Herman ****ing Edwards.

This is a quote from the article posted about Herman ****ing Edwards desire to get Jamal Charles more involved.

How about you get the ball into the hands of the kid you think is a playmaker, and maybe, just maybe, you might not go three and out.

It's like a guy standing next to a full water cooler with an empty paper cup, saying he can't use that cup because it's empty.

Fill the ****er, and you can use it, dumbass.

Yes a football coach is stating the obvious. Completely unheard of....

I really don't care what Herm... I mean Herman ****ing Edwards does or doesn't say to the damn media. I'm pretty sure he wasn't hired to be a spokesperson, and to criticize him as such is pointless.

Would you rather he give you a detailed 15 minute speech on the importance of turnover percentage in the third quarter in the opponents red zone when it's raining and how it relates to our chances to win like Dick ****ing Vermeil?

My problem with Herman ****ing Edwards is that I fully anticipate him running Charles up the middle to get those extra carries. He is not a pound it every down back. If they run him up the middle 25 times, this coaching staff needs to be shot with a BB gun until dead.

I'm critisizing him as a spokesperson.

I'm critisizing him because he's a dumbass.

Herman ****ing Edwards "We can't get the ball in the hands of a playmaker when we go three and out"

Anyone with half a brain "Get the ball in the hands of a playmaker in the first couple of plays and you might not go three and out, dumbass".

He may not be, but he's already displayed better patience and vision than LJ.

Answer me this:

Name the New York Jets head coach with the most playoff appearances since the team started in the AFL in 1960?

Do you know?

Why yes.... it's Herman "F**kface/Herm/Sperm/Godforsaken waste of space/Moron/Useless/Idiot/Cretin/Clocktard/Dooshey of the Decade" Edwards who took your team to more playoffs than any coach in your history.

Heh, Clocktard.

And it was the most aggravating football to watch in my entire 33 year experience of watching the Jets. it was worse than watching Kotite because we had a good team when Herm was there despite his idiocy. he was never called on being an idiot in NY by the NY press because he's black. thank god for Whitlock.

Let me ask you something. do you enjoy the way the Chiefs play? or does it make you pull your hair out of your head? now that's a serious question.

That might stick.

:D

There are many many things I don't enjoy about the way the Chiefs play. But the difference is that I don't attribute every negative thing to Herm. Yes he's a damn idiot most the time. But the damn idiot is steering this team in the right direction. And the most important factor is that when he's done here, he's not going to leave a team in shambles for the next guy. Things could be much worse.

And Herm didn't get a free pass in NY because of his skin color. That's just silly.

That he did. But cramming Charles up the middle is like splitting Jamaal Lewis wide. It might work, but it isn't the best utilization of his talent.

We aren't disagreeing.

It isn't the best utilization of his talent, but cramming Charles up the middle is still more effective than cramming LJ up the middle.

That's fair. But I think we have a gamer on our team, and Herm will be too scared to throw a screen pass or something because it isn't a horizontal pass.

For the love of God, I just want to see something creative and God forbid evidence of GAMEPLANNING.

You're right though milkman. LJ looked terribly impatient last week.

That wasn't how they were using him in week 1. They were trying to get Charles to the outside. LJ on the other hand was being used as a plow horse ramming his head into a brick wall, but Charles was used to get his speed to the outside.

He did get a free pass by passing the blame and pointing the finger and he was hardly ever called out by the press in NY for his stupidity and incompotence.

I think what makes him piss people off so much is that he's incompetent and he combines that with arrogance instead of being humble. he really believes he's the reason when you win (because he always talks in ''I''). (and he always talks as ''we'') when the team loses.

I remember him running it up the middle at least once. He was pretty successful. I'm just concerned that Herm will run him up the middle. I can hear it now, "Charles is a good football player. Good football players run the ball. And that's OK."

I absolutely love Charles. I think he can be a Westbrook type back in the future. It seems like he will get plenty of chances to make plays this year even playing behind LJ. I liked how they used Charles week 1 and if they play him more it does make the offense better.

LJ looked terribly impatient last year before his injury, as well.

In the end, there really aren't that many plays in his career that you can point to and and be impressed with his patience and vision.

Well that's just like.... your opinion man......

The NY media has never given anyone a free pass. Especially someone who deserved criticism.

And coaches are arrogant. That's part of the qualifications. Do you watch other head coach's press conferences often? Because most all of them say some pretty stupid and arrogant shit. Coachspeak should be considered an official language...

At least three of his five carries were inside the tackle.