Note to Herm: Wake the **** up
 

This is coming from your biggest (and possibly your only) supporter on Chiefs Planet.

If you send Tyler Thigpen out there one more time, you deserve the inevitable firing that will result. You thought he could play and you were very very wrong. Move on now.

Thiggy was woefully inaccurate. Commentators made a point that when he has time to set and throw he is accurate (or, moreso). Maybe that's why Herm believed in him, from practice throws? But in the shit he just tossed ducks. Plus, Huard would get killed behind that paperdoll right side of our line.

When you lose the Zouks of the world, well, that's like Goebells telling Hitler he's ****ed.

hopefully Zouk doesn't go poison his children now

Uh, why? He's showed (although extremely limited) improvement.

That was thigpens first NFL start

you armchair phuqqers couldnt do any better

and if you tried, youd piss your pants and stand there like a deer in headlights.

thigpen may be bad, butyou guys are harsh on just one guy...how bout the receivers not getting open.

blaming the qb is a scapegoat.

why not blame the groundskeeper...or the way the sun looked that day...or the vendor in section C...or the cheerleaders...

or your mom.

Improvement?

He threw another half-dozen balls that Atlanta defenders had their hands on, two more interceptions, and topped it off with a pick-6.

So you want Huard in there?

Herm will survive and sneak into South America

He's ridiculously inaccurate and he makes stupid decisions. You cannot win with him. Play Huard and help Bowe, Franklin, Cottam, Albert, Charles, and Niswanger develop with at least competent QBing around them. They go backwards with Thigpen at the helm.

Please tell me you're joking?

No way. All week long we had people saying Thigpen was the smart choice because he was mobile and Gailey DESIGNED the offense for a mobile QB.

Yes.

it's pretty apparent that the huard quitting rumor was true..

why?

he sucks
he's old
he's a quitter

That is not apparent to me at all.

No it isn't. And anyone with any two wits about them knows better.

Your Head Coach just told another bold-faced lie.
After Week 1 he said he couldn't look his players in the eye and tell them that Tyler Thigpen gave them the best chance to win against Oakland. One week later he was his DEFINITIVE starter. Last week following the loss to the Raiders he said that Huard would play in relief of Thigpen if he struggled. We went three-and-out on 5 consecutive drives. He followed that up with a pick on the 6th possession. Huard never came into the game.

That coupled with the three separate reports of what the injury was AND Huard's inability to recall when he had been injured in the post-game interview...

And I smell bullshit.

Wake the **** up.

I never blamed the sun. They played in a dome.

Its the smart thing to do.......do you ever want Franklin, Charles, and Cottam to develope this season......because Thigpen will not help them get any better than they were coming out of college.

Bingo.......I cant wait to see Arrowhead 1/3 full for the Denver game.

I would almost bet to see just as many DEN fans as there are Chiefs fans next week.

One NFL start and you guys are calling for a burning at the stake.


so with your rationale...no one gets a single chance to screw up.

if nothing else itll give the young guys a year of nfl playingtime. And that wont hurt.

Here is Thigpen's stat line through 2 games:
28-for-69, 279 Passing Yards, 41% Completion Rate, 2 TD's, 4 INT's
That's good for a 38.3 QB Rating.

You're going to go on record as having given a vote of confidence through 2 games, with those numbers, from a QB that was drafted IN THE SEVENTH ROUND?

Thigpen serves to buy Herm more time after this season...He can say that he was down to his 3rd QB bla...bla...bla...

That's a load of crap. Whether Thigpen or Huard in there has absolutely nothing to do with the development of Albert or Niswanger. Cottam rarely sees the field. Bowe's numbers are BETTER with Thigpen than with Huard. All Huard ever does is throw a jump ball duck up to Tony Gonzalez or curl in the fetal position and take a sack. That doesn't help the development of the young guys any further. Winning? Who gives a crap about winning? This team wouldn't win no matter who was in at QB.

It's apparent that the whole team has quit

Three and outs severely cutdown offensive snaps.
Limited time hurts young players. Will Franklin and Jamaal Charles need a QB that can get them the football.

Bowe's going to get his regardless of who's at the helm.
He has that kind of talent.

This offense had success running the ball yesterday, but only after the Atlanta defense gave them room to run. By the start of the Second Half they assumed we'd come out throwing the ball. Which would've been the case if we had a respectable signal caller.

Winning football games is what Herman Edwards, Carl Peterson and this team is being paid to do.
This is the NFL. You don't tank football games so you can evaluate a 7th Round draft pick.

No - with all due respect, that's a load of crap. The young guys need to win. The feeling of winning a game helps you see what all the work is for and helps you get better. Losing is contagious and leads to players shutting down.

The team won in San Diego last year with Huard at QB. Thigpen can't look respectable, let alone win.

Boy goeorge 3 years and 5200 plus posts and you figured this place out :clap:

If you watched Matt Ryan, THAT is what a young inexperienced QB WITH POTENTIAL is supposed to look like. We don't have one on our roster.

so what?

all that did was ensure we didn't get to draft Matt Ryan


that win was LITERALLY meaningless....

Bowe is partly to blame for DROPPING passes week 1. He should have made that TD catch. Huard put it right where it needed to be...

I agree with you in that regardless of the QB, this team can't win. But Huard is the best QB on the roster and that's sad...

We would NOT have drafted Ryan anyway. You know it. :shake:

Winning games is NEVER meaningless. It helps build the morale of your younger players (and team) and gives them confidence that they can go out and beat a division rival on the road.

What purpose does losing, to evaluate talent, serve?

I don't think losing hurts them long-term. What it does is make them more likely to quit on Herm, because they have no confidence in his schemes or play-calling or overall ability to coach. I don't think these guys will be damaged goods under the new coach because of Herm. Their growth will be hampered for sure, regardless of whether we win or lose, because of the poor coaching they receive now.

Herm is going to get fired, and get fired soon, because the team has quit on him. They may not hate him, but they have zero faith in his abilities.

i don't know that....but i know we never had a chance because of some meaningless feel-good win for the 8-8 crowd....

Shut up. You sound like GoChiefs.

so where is the morale from that win?

i still rather have something tangible, like a shot at a franchise QB....

I understand your point but I bet we would have passed on Ryan because Carl and Herm were hell bent on proving something with Croyle. They have. They proved they're idiots for believing in the guy.

Did playing for draft picks ever get the Lions or Bengals over the hump?

let's be absolutely clear about rebuilding:

winning games with your QBOTF behind center is important

winning games with a career backup, when your QBOTF isn't even on the roster, is not


i can't say it any more simply

Jamal Charles dropped at least 3 passes yesterday that hit him right in the hands with appropriate 'touch'. That's on him, not Thigpen.

Of course they WANT to win games. Having Damon Huard in there wont bring wins.

We won two of the next three games following that victory.

As would I, but I'm not going to intentionally throw a game on a chance that it improves my draft position.

Can't argue with that.

But if you can honestly tell me that we did not squander a half-dozen possessions to begin the game I'll be quiet. If you don't think an entire half of offensive futility is hurting these young guys... You're crazy.

It'll give you a chance to win games.
Thigpen does not.

that's due to their own incompetence....shitty GMs, and coaches....it did not have to turn out that way....

Yeah, right.

That's why they were fighting to score in the third and fourth quarter.

You know, because everybody "quit".

What a bunch of ****ing bullshit.

You should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting that.

The play you're talking about is a non-issue. The Pats called timeout before the snap so it never happened.

Yes, it's very sad that Huard is most prepared QB on the roster. However, it took Huard 11 years to bring up his game to this level of suckage.

and?

Nope, just their body language was indicitive to that.

I'm pretty sure the play that didn't happen was a fade pattern that wasn't close. IIRC the real first down was the ball that Bowe dropped.

I'm not sure what I could've been thinking...
Professional football players, coaches, and front office people aren't being paid to win games. It's acceptable for professionals to lose for the sake of acquiring higher picks. That's what fans are paying to see.

They don't have a responsibility to try to win games.
Hell... Why bother scheming at all. Screw the film room. Don't even bother with studying your opponent. Let's intentionally throw the next 13 games to ensure we'll have the #1 pick.

I'm certain veteran players will still be on board with your rebuilding process afterwards.

I'm sure the stadium will still pack 70,000 people in on Sundays.

I'm positive that young players will still be coachable and amenable to your rebuilding philosophy.
:rolleyes:

The shit you guys say.

in other words, i'm right.....


we won meaningless games with a roster of losers that were purged immediately after the season....the very players you claim needed "morale" were cut by Herm.....

and what were we left with?

nothing but a couple of meaningless wins and no chance to draft a QBOTF.....but you got your oh so precious "morale"....

thems the facts

Thank you for that observation, Doctor.

you know, being a bad football team is one thing, embarrassing yourself is another thing totally.

if they went out there and took risks as a young team, gave people chance to make plays, and didn't just turtle up for 4 quarters, and they lost because the talent level is low that would be ok.

Going out there and as a coaching staff looking like the dumbest people in the world, like you are totally, utterly clueless is another thing entirely.

This isn't just losing, it's mind numbing stupidity

I could've sworn that Dwayne Bowe, Brodie Croyle, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride, Tyler Thigpen, Dimitri Patterson, Rudy Niswanger and Herb Taylor were all on the roster when the off-season program began?

We drafted in the Top 5 and drafted what many people consider the best defensive player in the Draft.

But the alternative, throwing professional football games, is a better idea.
Mmmmkay... Gotcha.

It's only throwing games if you're under the mistaken impression that Damon Huard is good.

In your world any win is meaningless if the team doesn't win a Super Bowl.

Exactly.

Growing pains and constipation aren't the same thing.

Go ahead and argue that he isn't clearly a better option.
Don't worry... I'll wait.

Yeah, he's a real difference maker.

how about paying attention, my sad true fan?

I'm not saying the team quit but at least show me a little focking urgency getting in and out of the huddle with the clock ticking away.

Exactly. There was no sense of urgency and we were down three scores.

not just good, they think he is a savior


no one, not 1 player on the Chiefs has stepped up and said we need a quitter named Damon Huard to lead us...

Rebuilding. (expletive). Get over it. (expletive)

But...but...but GoChiefs said he is.

Yeah. Best option is synonymous with "savior" isn't it?
Gimme a break. No one has ever said Huard is a cure-all.
He does give this offense the best chance to produce though.

Like they would say that publicly...

And please stop with the Huard "quit" on the team bit.
That's a load of shit.

for what it's worth Holthus on 710 this morning corroborated the story about Huard taking himself out of the game, that he wanted to come out and that he's in the team doghouse

I see deconstruction.

I don't see any rebuilding...

I think the whole team has followed suit
this time it's a back up QB instead of the kicker
trying to out the coaches

I see that more as a result of inexperience, not quitting.

Take away a few old guys from this team (McInSuck, Surtain, Jones, Edwards) and this team's average age is like 24.

It's a bunch of kids out there...

And Willie ****ING Wanka leading them to....well....failure.

You can dangle the word "rebuilding" like a golden candybar but if there's no true foreman all you have is a bunch of really well built construction workers making good money and waiting for 5 o'clock to get drunk...

Inexperience?

I'm pretty sure most NFL players have played the game long enough to know when they need to move their ass and if not the coach needs to remind them and we can't get either.

QFT. no doubt, their pay for non-performance contracts are killing any chances.

I feel your pain... I am a Jets fan and I was PRAYING for Herm's dismissal several years ago. Now, he is also destroying your team, even worse than when he was with the Jets.

NEway, I hope that you guys get a better HC so that your team will be once again competitive.

There is a Profootball Weekly article that discusses your team's demise. Interesting reading. goto profootballweekly.com

You guys deserve better... Most of Jets fans can really sympathize with you. BTW this does not mean that we like Mangini either, at this point, anyone is better than Herm.

Good luck this year.

So Tyler Thigpen and his two NFL starts qualify as experience now?

What?

Dane I'm talking about common focking sense here,not athletic ability,just knowing that hey we got 8 minutes left and need to get our ass on the line.

Well, that's inexperience, especially at the QB level.

We're talking about a QB who's taken snaps as the starter for ONE WEEK.

I know most of you Chiefs fans expect miracles, but this is asking too much.

Get lost, Herm is going young and rebuilding the team something many of us have been hoping the team would do for years. Better than Magini who is going the George Allen approach and selling out the future of the Jets organization to try and save his job.

We want the WORLD man. Can't you figure that out yet?:D

seriously though. I think Joe is just referring to the basics of showing some level of urgency when you are down 17 with 8 minutes to go. Spending less time in the huddle.