Keep Playing Thigpen
 

i know i'm one of the few ... but i think we should continue to play Thigpen until Croyle is ready to come back.

listen for sec

Thigpen was a 7th round draft pick out of a division 2 school. The school he played at was in their FIRST year of having a football team.

Dude .... it's perfectly understandable for Thigpen to be overwhelmed and a bit scared. He's playing on an offense with a shaky Oline under a coaching staff that's moronic at best.

what do you expect?

even the best QB's lose their accuracy when they are nervous about the pass rush. Ben Rothlisberger turned to complete crap yesterday when he started getting hit.

Thigpen has showed flashes and he's not fragile ... he can run around and get get killed by our offensive ineptitude.

i know it sucks but at least we are developing a solid backup.

and who knows .... when/if he gets over his nervousness and when/if our new offensive lineman improve, he may just pull it together.

how can you blame any QB when he's playing under Herman Edwards .... our coach is a QB killer. He could work for the Grim Reaper he's killed so many NFL Quarterbacks.

just say "no" to Huard and Inglebert humper Martin is a complete unknown and new to the system



patience people, Thigpen should stay in until Croyle comes back.

It's about selling tickets this week
I think huard sells better

Well, what other choice do we have? Huard? Hagans? Dingle Martin?


On kind of a side note, who wants to bet that Huard gets released when Brodie is ready to go again?

I am not sure Joe Montana could look good behind this line.

It doesn't matter who plays QB this week we are going to get smoked by 30 pts

You are not alone I'm in full agreement. I am not a Pigpen fan, but he looked much better yesterday in Atlanta than the week before against Oakland.

This is a rebuilding year and now is the time to find out if players like Pigpen can get the job done. I'm expecting big things from this team in a season so then need to know what they have before end of season.

Joe would be smart enough to "accidentally" dive into McIntosh legs to injury him, since McIntosh has decided that this is the one year he isn't going to injure himself.

Dude he was 1 for 11 for -1 yard and a pick. I could probably accomplish that and have never played quarterback in my life.

we don't really have a choice at this point. Huard sucks too.

INGLE MARTIN - at least he played at Fla... for a little while.

hehe

seriously though ... the right side of our offensive line can't pass block worth shitte

the left side of our offensive line has apparently lost all ability to run block. (yes Brian waters .... i'm looking at you)

WTF :cuss:

playing Thigpen is the right move.

I am in agreement on this one. I am not a "fan" of Thigpen, but the second half showed some hopes of improvement. I say let him go out there. If we are going to lose the game anyway (which most of the board agrees on), why not see what we have. I think he has calmed down, and my just be a viable backup. I don't think Croyle is really even a decent backup because he is so fragile. If the starter got hurt, you would immediately move to the third string.

I don't know if you all noticed this or not, but when he was showing signs of life it's because the falcons were playing soft coverage.

I did notice, and do agree. But that is still a confidence builder. If you continue to throw incomplete/interceptions, you continue to think that is all you can do, and get into a horrible cycle of fear and suck. Herm doesn't exactly help this cycle of suck with his play calling, but maybe we will see something. If he doesn't show anything in the first half against Denver, then I will be ready to give up on him completely. If he shows something, like I said, maybe a solid backup to a true QBoTF

Your first part of the post perfectly states why he shouldn't start......at least now that reg season games are underway.

People seem to forget that we went 5-3 under Huard in 2006 and was the prime reason why we went to the playoffs that season.

Huard and a decent run game from Johnson and this offense isn't a terrible as people think. Huard gives them the best chance to win.....gives the young players the best chance to develope.

How are our WR's supposed to develope when Thigpen keeps throwing it to the other team??? He is horribly inaccurate. You think overcoming his nervousness is gonna solve his problems?!?!? ROFL FACT is this is a completely different game than whats he's ever been used to.

You don't ask 7th rd draft picks you picked up off of Waivers list (this is also someone that couldnt beat out a shitty Tavaris Jackson) to start in reg season games, at least not this early when there is still a lot at stake. This goes the same for letting Hagans take direct snaps which is just a stupid idea to begin with and is silly as clown shit. If I was Kirk Morrison for OAK I would have dropped to the turf LMAO when I saw him coming in. There was no use for that play calling and should've shown Clark Hunt that Herm has turned this whole team into a comedy flick.

Is Huard good? No.......is he the best option we have til Croyle gets back.......yes.

Starting Thigpen is like us starting James Killian and see what he has to offer. We didn't draft Killian really thinking he was gonna succeed Trent Green. Thigpen and Killian are projects.....you don't waste reg season games on players like them when they are CLEARLY not ready to do so......especially at the teams most important position, when others are trying to develope as well.

It's the regular season and you have to start your best players......Herm is treating this season (so far) like an extended pre-season.

We should trade for Trent Green.

Yes, but after the horrible start, which really was a team effort, Pigpen made a game of it for 20 minutes.

Don't mistake me for a Pigpen supporter. On the contrary going into the preseason I felt the biggest mistake by Herm was keeping Huard and Pigpen as the backups to Croyle. I never felt either was worth a roster spot and was actually counter productive when there was other talent available to develop, e.g. Woodson, Martin. I would have been much happier with Culpepper instead of Huard for backup. As a matter of fact I was one of the few on this board that hoped Matt Ryan fell to #5.

But as long as Pigpen is the backup, Croyle is out, and Pigpen continues to improve let him start. Afterall, this is a rebuilding season whether we like it or not.

The Chiefs have no one who's better. So, yeah.

The other thing I should mention here is this. If we had a CHANCE IN HELL to come out of this game with a win, I would be all for starting whatever QB would give us that chance. I guess that is one way I would agree with starting Huard, but since I don't believe that chance is there, go with the young guy and see what is there.

Starting Huard helps zero towards the future. I would rather see Martin play than Huard. It makes no sense to me why Huard is even on the roster.

Okay understood. But you need to understand this: This is now different then the TD drive against Oakland. They played soft, he scored and that's probably what got him the start against Atlanta. His success is only translating against soft coverage designed to prevent us from scoring too quickly.

Don't mean to be the party-pooper here, but face it- the season is OVER!

There's not enough talent, and sure as hell no fuggen coaching on this team to get this team into any kind of playoff hunt. So, playing Huard to win is dumb. The way the Donks are playing, they'll take the division, and San Diego will most certainly bounce back. They've lost two games on the last couple of plays.

Play Thiggy until Croyle comes back. Huard doesn't want to play any more, and I can't say I don't blame the guy. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to get over center for the Chiefs right now.

Cash in your chips and let the season slide. In the off-season, we pick up a couple of solid free-agent Offensive lineman, get a new HC, a new GM, and we start anew with the draft.

IT'S THE ATL FALCONS!!!!!!........starting Huard would have given us a good chance to win.

you think huard would have dropped 40+ on the birds?

You really think Martin/Thigpen/or Hagans is gonna have anything to do with this teams future? IF you do you're reeruned. If Croyle doesn't work out.....we aren't gonna risk seeing what Thigpen can or can't do.....we will go after a QB in the draft, trade for Quinn, or look in FA etc.

There are other young players that are hurting because Thigpen is starting.

There's NO chance of this team getting "BETTER" with him starting.

I know Huard isn't the future....but that doesn't mean just say **** it and start our #3 QB JUST BECAUSE HE's YOUNG and clearly isn't ready.

Yes! we may lose all 16 games, but then... Herm and Carl will be fired!!! finally!!!!

I can't say that....but I do think there is a good chance the whole outcome of the game would have been different. We would have scored more than we did.......run defense fell apart terribly.....thats something you can't really predict.

Throwing 3 picks in the first half sure as shit doens't help the defense....and certainly isn't something Huard would have done.

just out of curiosity what is the nfl record for consecutive losses?

26, is the first number I found, late 70's Buc's.

Yup, because Huard was moving the ball great against the Raiders before he got injured...

I thought the dolphins were the only team who had a chance to go 16-0?

at least he completed a couple to his team mates

I agree with you a 100% on this, the last thing I want to see now is Huard. I don't even want to see a shot of him setting on the bench. I don't want another recycle QB brought in either. If you have a plan, which they say they do, they need to stick with it. Play the youngsters, I actually think Thigpen has a chance to grow into the position.

before sending it right into the other teams hands... Yipee!!!

Of Huard's 16 pass attempts this season, 2 have been picked off. And it's not like they were catchable balls that receivers tipped or something, they were brutally bad bonehead throws.

That's a ratio of one INT every eight pass attempts. Thigpen's ratio is around 17.25 pass attempts per INT.

You're right that Huard wouldn't have thrown 3 INTs like Thigpen did. Based on those numbers, he would have thrown 6 of 'em.

I bet Chan coaxes Slash out of retirement, that'll sell some tickets [/tongue in cheek]

Well, that is a different question...

As of the 2008 season, there have been eight teams to finish the season 1-15:

1) 1980 New Orleans Saints
2) 1989 Dallas Cowboys
3) 1990 New England Patriots
4) 1991 Indianapolis Colts
5) 1996 New York Jets
6) 2000 San Diego Chargers
7) 2001 Carolina Panthers
8) 2007 Miami Dolphins

ROFL

I agree 100%

i hope when croyle is healthy they just release Huard

there you have it, the Colts only won a single game in 1991, and they won a super bowl just 15 short years later.

there is hope, all hail Carl O. Finleyson

Yeah we looked great in those first 7 possessions we had yesterday. :rolleyes:

I doubt it, but I don't know and neither do you. From what I saw yesterday Pigpen might eventhough I still don't like him.

14-of-36 for 128 yards 1 TD and 3 INT's not too bad for a nobody but he ain't taking KC anywhere but directly to the #1 pick in April.

As long as you're saying just play him with the hopes he develops into a usable backup, since we're obviously not going anywhere in 2008, then I agree; anything else is silly talk, heh.

all I know... the animals at the STL Zoo were awesome on a beautiful indian summer day... F sitting watching those loser teams play.

highlights/lowlights are good enough at this point. Actually ran into another Chiefs fan there...
we laughed and cut up about the whold thing.

Reality check here folks,...We are not going to the playoffs....Huard is too old to be QBOTF.....Let Thigpen start

Im not saying we will......now it's to the point where we just need to worry about helping other players develope, which Huard gives the other players the best chance to do that.....not Tyler ****ing 7th rd waiver Thigpen.

Sad,,, just sad...

I feel sorry for Huard who, up until last year, had to play behind better QBs and now that he's the best QB on the team, he's too old to be relevant. But I agree that Thigpen should play until Croyle returns unless Herm is faced with a revolt from the team.

Why oh Why did croyle have to get ****ing hurt, trade for Sage Rosenfels

NO.


Playing a QB who sucks will reerun the development of the rest of the team.

This, is my only problem with playing him over Huard.

Even if Huard could muster 4-5 more first downs per game than Thigpen, thats 12-15 more offensive snaps per game of experience and small successful play potential for the REST of the young players, and that many less minutes on the field for the D(who also needs plenty of reps...but not this way)

We need to sign this guy:

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I can't say enough times that the hypocricy is what pisses me off.

Herm is playing Thigpen because he can't get better without the snaps....Fine.

McIngash and herm's son at RG are aweful....At least the young guys have a CHANCE at getting better with plays. They surely wouldn't get the QB ko'd too many more times, and couldn't be any worse in Run blocking.

Hell, at least let them take half the snaps, or play the 2nd half after its out of reach anyway.

You mean there are other players on this football team that need development?

You're saying that six consecutive drives that lead to zero offensive productivity isn't conducive to that development?

Unbelievable.

I say play Thigpen til Croyle gets back & then put him in again once Croyle gets injured again....if you are going to be a loser than be the best the NFL has ever seen!

So why did we sign Ingle Martin? To scare Thigpen into playing better? Martin is an unknown,but so is Thigpen. How are we supposed to know what we have if we don't try everybody? Haha..build confidence..did anybody notice the end of the Raiders game when Thigpen had some alright throws, one for a TD to TG and then comes out against the Falcons and sucks it up? It doesn't matter..we are all idiots for caring which 4th string QB we play..

Herm has shown time and again that he's completely lost on how to fix what ails this team. His offensive tampering, alone, is enough for me to show him the door.

totally agree

thigpen has the capacity to improve, huard doesn't...end of story

huard is an old quitter that no one on this team wants to play....he won't be here next year....


but chiefs fans have spent a solid week crying that the fate of our franchise depends on a career backup and quitter named huard....

embarrassing

i thought hootie's bleeding for huard was the most embarrassing thing ever, but we're getting close again....

never has such a shitty, old, quitting, backup earned the love of fans....it does not speak well of us....but perfectly explains why we have embraced Carl's 15 years mediocrity...

Coastal Carolina is an FCS (1-AA) school, not Division II.

Your best post I have ever read.

Personally I don't care if Thigpen went to frigging georgia, he needs to gtfa.

LMAO

Yeah and he was awful when he played here for the Gators,he couldn't even beat out Chris Leak

hire me as head coach!!!