PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator
 

Very interesting article...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm

Down — but definitely out

Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning

By Dan Arkush
Sept. 22, 2008

With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season.

That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition.

Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope.

“On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.”

Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games.

The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck.

Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security.

Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available.

“They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive.

“The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).”

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media.

“We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.”

What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions.

“He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”

re to the z post

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=192249

I'm going to have to agree about the talent evaluator thing. Our best draft was this year, but that was because we had 13 picks and the whole front office changed the way they did business.

don't care :P

I don't agree with that article. Yesterday 11 true rookies contributed significantly in that game and they played better than many of the veterans. Dorsey and Albert for example, played a great game. Most of the breakdowns are from players who came to the team via free agency (Pigpen, Darling, McInTOAD, Jones, Williams, Thomas, Edwards). I am very please with the quality of players the Chiefs have drafted the last 3 years.

Yeah because we didn't even try to draft when DV was here. Comparing Herm to what was here before that is hardly saying anything.

I guess the sleeping during tape may explain Herms "game planning"

I'm not saying Herm is a bad talent evaluator. But this statement would fit pretty well with his teams being woefully unprepared and lacking sound fundementals.

I have no idea if it is true, but based on what I've seen, it would fit Herm's bill.

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I like DV, but he left the cupboard bare. The team had one of two choices; go George Allen and sell the future for now or rebuild with the draft. I like choice number 2 because it will result in a young team that grows up together and they are true Chiefs not transplants.

But the score was 38 - 14.

2 guys (Dorsey and Albert) who were consensus top 5 and top 20 players respectively across every single draft board in America play well and that means Herm is a great talent evaluator?

Herm sucked before he got here and he still sucks!!!!!;)
Whomever hired him should be fired also and if Clark dose not do somthing about it he needs a hard kick in the nuts so they swell up big enough for him to fire Herm and Carl....

No, it means he's awful like the article says.

Bill Kuharich.

Eggzackly!!!

Dave

That may be true, but he's way better than DV.

Isn't PFW known for making up BS and/or spreading rumors?
If so, I would not put any stock in their articles.

Id like to know who the "veteran pro evaluator" was?

This was better than DV's Draft's, but DV will end his career with a better record and Superbowl Ring, Something "Keen Eye Guy" will never have!

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It said he is a horrible talent evaluator.............The guys you list, who was it that brought them in? heh, Herm. :)

this sounds like someone who has actually been around Herm.


not good at all

I wonder if he's borrowing Tank Tyler's no dose.

meh, watching tape is overrated anyway

I think Herm's ok at gathering the puzzle pieces, he just sucks at putting them together.

Anything more than this is way to complicated for Herm and would be considered arena league puzzles..

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I still have to laugh when I remember people were comparing Herm when to came to KC to Tony Dungy when he came to Indy. I don't remember Dungy going 4-12 in Tampa and leaving them in a shambles. The only thing they have in common coaching wise is the Tampa cover 2.

If this is insinuating that Herm goes to bed at 9 o'clock it's false. Nick was with him all day during training camp and he was working until 11. Who knows what he did after that.

Herm has so much energy. He's going like a maniac 24/7. He's incredible.

Yeah, but you can't be a spaztastic sack of shit when you are watching detailed fundementals on film.

Just because you can pull all-nighters and make gay ass "Welcome to Training Camp" signs, doesn't mean you can pay enough attention to break down film.

That's pro football talk.

Also the stuff about passing on Ryan is sad but true, and alot of people wanted to do just the same.

WTF does that have to do with putting in the tedious work in the film room, and making well-thought out and informed decisions? Herm is an energetic bullshit artist, not a serious student of the game

Incredibly stupid. He's lost 12 straight remember?

What does that have to do with anything?

It means he sucks? The Chiefs haven't even lead in a game since Tennessee last year.

Gunther has some really good shit that can help with that.

DV didn't need to draft. He could score 40 pts w/backups...)

wow,that was a long time ago.......

LOL. I forgot about Gunther and the smelling salts.

This is probably a bit harsh. Just a couple months ago we had the best draft, by far... now 3 games into the season we can't evaluate talent. You have to let it play out a bit.

We'll find out how good that draft was though, everyone seemed happy with 06 and today that draft looks like a stinker.

I'll never forget that. I had suspicions before then that Gun was in way, way over his head. That was the confirming moment though.

I don't disagree, it may turn out to be a bad draft. But we don't know if it was good or bad three games into the season. Anybody trying to inflate their ego by stating otherwise is blowing hot air out their colon.

Grow out your beard and rip off your sleeves!

I think the thing is it's a guy who's been around Herm giving his opinion of what he's seen over the years, I don't think it's a statement in relation to just this years draft.

You cannot use the 2006 draft as proof of Herm's "good" drafting ability.

Every single one of our draft picks, save for Page, has been a disappointment.

I think a lot of the problem is that we don't develop our talent. I don't think there is any limit to how big of a coaching staff you can have. If I were a coach of a young team, I'd have developmental coaches (all issued tazers) at every position that worked with the scrubs on fundamentals and techniques.

Yea our coaching staff is the shits man the drizzling shits, I enjoyed Claythan getting all upset when I said Krumrie is a shitty coach but frankly he's a shitty coach.

Drizzling shits ROFL ROFL

Agreed. This team consistently looks unprepared and certainly NOT fundementally sound.

Are you aware that we've played Matt Cassel, Jamarcus Russell and Matt Ryan and we have 0 INT's.

Are any of our position coaches worth a damn?

Gunther? Nope
Krumrie? Nope
Gibbs? What has he done with Pollard or Page?

Our offensive coaches? Michael Allan didn't develop, our RB coach is new, who knows about Price or Bicknell.

I don't wanna ever see a positive post about Page or Pollard again, they are still the same thing. Guys who make rookie mistakes in their 3rd year and whiff on tackles all the time.

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Give me a player he developed.....look before here he wasn't a good coach with Buffalo either.

Making tackles isn't a good indicator of a defensive lineman's progression. No one has shown any ability to disrupt plays in the backfield or pressure the quarterback. At the same time, we are still getting gashed in the running game. A guy like Tyler sould make it nigh impossible to run inside.

Do you think it is by chance that we keep getting gashed by the opponents running game?

Actually if you really watch the Chiefs, the interior defensive line is very sound. The reason we're getting gashed is because of breakdowns at the second level. The linebackers are horribly under performing right now.

Tank has been a beast this season. He is consistently winning his one-on-one matchups.

And two bloody sacks. Mofuggin 2! Our opposition has 11.

My take on tim krumrie is simple. The guy is a yell in your face type who thinks he can take garbage and mold it into gold and comes up with dumb techniques where teams draft his guys because they beat him in slap fights. He's never made someone into a good defensive tackle, his claim to fame is Ron Edwards who had a 4 sack season backing up Pat Williams and Sam Adams in 2004 who were just beasts. Which probably explains why Edwards is on our team.

Otherwise his list of credentials is like Justin Bannan, Tim Anderson, Ron Edwards it's rather sad. He had the luxury of coming into teams with good Dends or DT's already like Allen here or Schobel and Pat Williams with Buffalo. But he's never done anything special or developed a player.

2 goddamn sacks, almost no QB pressures, 0 picks.

I'm not saying that Tank or Dorsey will be busts, but Tim Krumrie won't allow them to become the players they have the talent to become.

That's bullcrap. Go and watch that game. We put pressure on the quarterback, especially from the interior line.

I won't deny our outside pass rush sucks. But that's what happens when you trade Allen and don't draft a defensive end early to replace him.

EVERYONE here was calling Tank a bust last year. Right now he looks like he'll be starting for 10 years.

He's so much more.

Simply put, YOU ARE IGNORANT.

Considering you refuse to admit what the Chiefs are, I'll take this as a compliment.

Tim Krumrie's history is complete shit, COMPLETE SHIT, I don't care how much you personally like him his track record sucks, just like Herms.

He's just like Gunther, people support them even though they suck explains why you like em both.

The young DT's are getting push and filling gaps, we have the worst freaking linebacking crew ever. I think we knew we wernt going to get sacks with McBride and Hali.

Tim Krumrie has been here the entire time Hali has....either the team was stupid for picking him or the coaching sucks.....or both.

Hali is what he is. A #2/3 LDE. He isnt a big time pass rusher. He is a solid piece to a puzzle but not a building block.

#1 draft picks have to be building blocks. For what his value was, he is a failure.

In that draft the Chargers got Cromartie and McNeil we got Hali and Pollard......boy I wonder why they're better than us.

Look at the rest of that draft. Also remember he was taken with Allen here.

And we had no shot at Cromartie since he was taken right before us.

It would have really sucked to have drafted DeMeco Ryans, Thomas Howard, or Marcus McNeil instead of Hali.

They all were projected second rounders at the time and went there. Hindsight is nice isnt it.

In 2006 the Chiefs and Chargers split.

In 2007 the Chiefs and Chargers split.

In 2008 the Chiefs and Chargers are both winless so far.

Would you like to know more?

If you are really arguing the Chiefs and Chargers are even in the same stratosphere do us all a favor and kill yourself.

We do things like take Bernard Pollard over Ko Simpson which still pisses me off to this day.

Simpson hasnt done much either, but still that was the main pick that I was down on that day. I wanted Daniel Manning or Youbty.

What?

THE CHIEFS SUCK.

Tank Tyler is on pace to have about 85 tackles. That would be insane, especially for an interior linemen with very little outside help.

If they're so much better than us why doesn't it show up when we play them?

As you just made a post that inferred the Chiefs and Chargers were the same, uh huh.

Well hey they've won a playoff game this decade. Stop arguing this stupid point we are the worst team in football they are coming off the AFC championship game.

Nope. I sure didn't.

BTW, I had no idea Tank even had that many tackles. That's amazing. He's going to be awesome.