Let's put all the QB talk right here
 

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

I'll start with Matt Stafford.....these are from 07, playing as a true soph in the SEC.

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And these are from 06 playing as a true freshman in the SEC.

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Chase Daniels.

Here's some Sam Bradford...

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Now here's a vid of Bradford that concerns me....this isn't him playing look at him after the game with no pads, he has to get bigger or he'll get hurt like Croyle look at his build.

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This is a thread about legit NFL prospects son.

The next Heisman winner....Chase Daniels.

There aren't any Mark Sanchez vids because he hasn't been starting long enough to amass one...

But anyway I'll add some Tebow just because I'm sure someone out there likes him.

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And some Stafford vs Tebow...

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Ok fine, just for you....

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I bet that was painful for you.:)

Both entering their much-anticipated junior seasons this fall, Tim Tebow and Matt Stafford have been linked for much of the past seven years. The SEC QBs are often mentioned in the same breath, whether uttered in civilized dinner table discussions or heated sports bar debates.

As high school stars, their respective resumes read like a pig-skinned version of "Everything You Can, I Can Do Better." Tebow was Florida's Mr. Football, a participant in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl Game and a Parade All-American. Stafford, meanwhile, won the MVP and "Best Arms" awards at the 2005 EA Elite 11 Quarterback Camp, as well as the EA Sports National Player of the Year. He, like Tebow, was a Parade All-American.

When Tebow chose to attend Florida and Stafford signed his letter of intent with Georgia in the winter of 2006, their fates were sealed. They'd be pitted against each other for the next four years of their lives. On top of four dates in Jacksonville at The World's Largest Cocktail Party, they'd now be under center for opposing sides in arguably the richest rivalry in the South.

On paper, Tebow has had the more decorated college career thus far. The only sophomore to ever win a Heisman Trophy, the single-season SEC touchdown record, the nation's No. 2-ranked QB in passing efficiency last season and a key member of the 2006 BCS champion Gators squad — Tebow is quite arguably the most accomplished college football player two years into a career ... ever.

But Georgia fans will point to wins, losses and the big-game performances. And to be certain, Stafford's Bulldogs had a better season than Tebow's Gators in 2007, the first year both young men started at quarterback from start to finish.

Two seasons into his NCAA career, the Georgia QB is 17-4 as a starter, with eight of those 17 wins coming over Top 25 teams. Tebow's career record as a starter, meanwhile, is "just" 9-4. Stafford is 2-0 as a starter in postseason bowl games; Tebow is 0-1. Head to head as starters, Stafford gets the nod, as he threw for 3 touchdowns in last season's 42-30 whitewashing of the Tebow-led Gators in Jacksonville.

With Tebow the clear-cut preseason favorite to repeat and win the Heisman Trophy in 2008, Stafford looms in the distance as a relative long shot.

The kid from Dallas is not thinking about the Heisman, though. He's thinking about Georgia Southern, UGA's first opponent of the 2008 season.

"My goal is to be focused and completely prepared to play game No. 1," Stafford said. "The only thing any of us are concentrating on right now is preparing to play Georgia Southern. But our goal every year as a team is to win a national championship. "

Of course, that's not to say Tebow's exactly concerned about individual accolades, either. He's been there, done that.

When asked about the prospects of becoming just the second repeat winner of a Heisman Trophy, his response is blunt.

"I've learned that the Heisman Trophy and all the records don't really change who you are, but they do change other people's perception of you," he said. "My focus has never changed from faith, family, academics and then football — in that order.

"Our goal each year is to win the SEC East and compete for the conference title. Anything can happen from there, but you've got to focus on getting to Atlanta."

Both UGA and UF will be ranked as Top 10 teams when the polls are released this summer, with most lists likely placing the 'Dawgs in the top three and the Gators somewhere in the No. 6-10 range. Come this year's Cocktail Party on Nov. 1, an SEC East title — and quite possibly a spot in the national title game — could be at stake. Leading up to that one, the Tebow-Stafford debate will be as widespread and as heated as its ever been. An argument that's been somewhat limited to fans of the SEC should take the nation by storm throughout the week of hype leading up to the clash.

Adding another interesting wrinkle to the whole Stafford-Tebow rivalry is what's ahead for each of them. Though both players are only juniors in '08, they're widely considered the top two pro prospects at their position in the college game. In all but a few 2009 mock drafts and top prospect lists, Stafford is rated ahead of the All-American Tebow.

NFLDraftScout.com draft guru Rob Rang explains, "Tebow flashes all of the skills necessary to become a franchise quarterback — the size, arm strength, poise and work ethic — but hasn't yet proven the consistent accuracy as a downfield passer needed in the NFL."

Rang adds, "And though Stafford lacks Tebow's unique ability as a runner, he is a more polished passer. He plays in a more traditional offense that aids in his development as an NFL quarterback. This fact, combined with his greater accuracy and arm strength, makes him a better NFL prospect than Tebow at this point in their respective careers."

Those in the "Tebow will be a better pro" camp fervently disagree with those sentiments, arguing that Tebow could be a drop-back passer if he wanted, but that it's just not the nature of the Florida offense.

The Tebow-Stafford debate will rage on this fall and the rivalry will only gain more steam as the two players mature.

Yet, as much as it may disappoint the passionate fans of both programs, neither kid has a bad thing to say about the other. No, they're not best friends, playing X-Box online and writing to each other on MySpace. But they're not exactly arch-enemies either.

Tebow refers to Stafford as "a great guy," while Stafford explains, "I have always had a ton of respect for Tim and obviously he is one of the best out there. He's a really good player on the field and a good guy off of it."

Not quite the vitriol you'd imagine from lifelong rivals.

Then again, like its two protagonists, this rivalry's still very young.

I guess we'll have to just stay tuned.

Meh. Bradford is built a lot like Brady. In fact, I think he has a bigger frame. He's still only 20, and you can tell he's much thicker through the arms and shoulders than Croyle. He's listed at 218, I'd say looking at that video he's probably 210, but he could definitely get up to 220-5.

I love it when over the hill writers try to be hip.

"No, they aren't playing on X-Box Online."

ROFL.

You know I have a friend who thinks Brady was on the juice because when he was drafted he was a scrawny dude who weighed about 195lbs at 6'4 and a year later he was 220lbs.

Brady's size was something that did make him drop in the draft he was very scrawny, I do question if Bradford can carry enough weight..

I don't think that question is there with Stafford he's just a big dude.

I would question guys with smaller frames who go to larger schools simply because they have access to phenomenal strength and training programs. Guys like Croyle and Brady really should be able to put on a decent amount of weight with those programs.

However, your body changes a lot in your early-mid 20's, so a weight gain of 8-10% isn't out of the question. FWIW, I do think Bradford could get up to a decent size. No, he won't be McNabb, but he doesn't have to be.

I tend to think Bradford is a moot point though since I don't think he's coming out and playing to have the #1 pick 2 years in a row just isn't smart because it's extremely unlikely.

Stafford will be a chief!!

I think you're about to get yelled at, Stafford isn't very popular around here.

Im sick of people saying we need to fix our Oline first. BS, when your a rebuilding franchise you build it around a QB, Stafford has all the tools and size to be a very good QB in this league. Then you find other players and build it around him Besides our problems on the Oline on our the Right side of the line and you can fix that with rounds 2-7

We just played a team who's first pick in rebuilding was a QB, shocking to see that huh?

They've had three years to do it and haven't come close to addressing it yet.

I know, how many people on here said they would just throw a fit if we selected Matt Ryan.

To many to count but they were mostly the Brodie believers or the people who are afraid of QB's.

It's just a bad year for QB's.

So what do you propose we just never get a QB then?

It's an observation. A lot of people are jumping on the QB bandwagon even though they were diehard "best player" draft afficcianados in the past.

You do realize that in all likely hood Stafford is going to have a top 5 grade on him.

I think you have a point there, but at the same time, say we totally tank this year and Herm gets shitcanned. What if a Parcells like guy comes in who is the kind of coach who can only run his system and he's a 3-4 guy? He'd **** us up so bad, we'd definitely have the #1 overall pick.

Worse, what if the Rams finish with 1 win and we do as well, but we have a better opponent's record than them and they get the #1 pick? They'd probably take Oher, Monroe, or Smith, but they may just blow it all up and take Stafford and get rid of Bulger.

I read somewhere a couple weeks ago, that Stafford has Carson Palmer type of tools, and thats something you dont see very often

Stafford has a better combination of pedigree and upside than any QB in the previous two draft classes.

I don't know about that. He's got the arm strength and the build, but his mechanics aren't nearly as good as Palmer's, which were pretty much immaculate. They called him The Human Juggs Machine, and it wasn't because he liked titties. That's not to say he couldn't be Palmer, but he's not the refined product that Palmer was, who was a complete package.

Yet the majority of ppl on this board cant get off of Quinn's knob.

Stafford reminds me alot of Jay Cutler if you want my honest opinion.

I think a lot of that just stems from the fact that Bradford has a local feel to him because he's a Big 12 prospect. This fan base has always been really insular in how it regards prospects. Hell, even management was Big X, Big XII crazy in the 90's.

There is always a QB with a top 5 grade.

Would you like to have Matt Ryan cause I would...good chance Stafford has a higher grade on him than Ryan did.

How many underclassman QB's were drafted in the first round the last 8 or so years and how have they done in the NFL? ( I don't have the answer, I'm just curious).

You know that is a really good question, however I'm not sure how much it completely applies to Stafford he has been starting since he was a freshman, if he starts every game this year he'll have 35 starts after his junior year is over.

That is completely accurate, despite what some on here may lead you to believe. Myself, Mecca, and others have said Stafford has elite tools and should tear up the combine, but the only question is if he takes the big step forward in production on the field.

Personally, he reminds me a lot of Eli Manning as a junior at Ole Miss. Everyone knew he had the tools to be an All Pro QB and a #1 overall pick, but we were just waiting to see him actually follow-through on it.

Stafford is barely into his junior season and plays in a fairly conservative offense, but a couple times a game he'll make passes that no one else in the country can make. The guy is a stud, and by the end of the year he will be a no-brainer top five pick.

Lets also realize that even though he has Moreno he has very pedestrian WR's the first real WR he's gotten to work with is AJ Green who is a true freshman and already their best WR.

The next 5 weeks Georgia has a brutal schedule. We'll see if Stafford can step up consistently.

i hope so

OK going back here's a list of underclassmen QB's.....there aren't alot of them by the way, in no particular order. This is all of them taken in the 1st round as you see there aren't alot...

Vince Young
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Bledsoe
Mike Vick
Tim Couch
JaMarcus Russell
Tommy Maddox
Rex Grossman
Todd Marinovich
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Heath Shuler
Ryan Leaf
Alex Smith

Obviously a mixed list.

It would be interesting to see how many QBs came out w/ just three years at school, instead of including guys that redshirted their first year like Big Ben.

Oh great..you know how hard that is going to be to figure out....

It is a mix. I'd say only 3 good QB's - Bledsoe, Rodgers (still undecided, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) and Roethlisberger.

My primary hesitation with Stafford is his accuracy. Half of his games in 2007 he was under 55% in completion percentage.

And you could say the same thing for all QBs drafted in the 1st round or overall. The QB position is the biggest risk-reward gamble in the draft.

3 of 15 on juniors, or 20%.

If you take senior QB's for the same time period, do you think you'd still be at 20%?

Who else can we trade from our roster for another 1st round pick? Sams?

Probably not, but we should also take out QBs that played on teams with gimmick offenses that boosted their stock. Teams have realized by now that it is best to avoid these guys and not fall in love w/ their stats.

Ok.........

Young redshirted

Roethlisberger redshirted

Rodgers did not redshirt, he played as a freshman at a junior college then transferred to Cal for his sophomore and junior seasons before leaving early.

Bledsoe I don't believe he redshirted but I'm not completely sure on this I'm going with the idea that he didn't.

Vick-redshirted

Couch-didn't redshirt

Russell-didn't redshirt

Maddox-redshirted as he left after his sophomore season

Grossman-redshirted

Marinovich-redshirted

Mirer-didn't redshirt

Ware-I don't believe he redshirted but not completely sure

Shuler-I don't believe he redshirted also not completely sure on this one

Ryan Leaf-didn't redshirt

Alex Smith-didn't redshirt

So there you go, there is the list.

I am a firm believer in the old adage that goes "Without risk, there can be no reward".

I also like Hunter Cantwell.

You have to take into account some things, a couple of those guys were gimmick offense guys, some of them were taken in the middle to the end of the round.

I bet his stock is falling like a rock Louisville is pretty bad this year and he has very few starts under his belt over his career.

The sad thing is that trading a 1st FOR a player has worked out better than trading a player for a first.

Who's that QB (not Rogers) the Packers drafted again? How easy would he be to pry away?...

When you talk about QBs out of "Gimmick" offenses, one needs to look at Tennesee.

Steve McNair came out of the run and shoot, if I remember correctly, and the Oilers/Titans let him sit on the bench for a couple of years, giving him just a few meaningless snaps along the way.

He became a pretty good, albeit overrated, NFL QB.

Vince Young, on the other hand, was given the keys by the middle of his first season, and he wasn't progressing at all.


I think Tim Tebow has the physical tools to be a good NFL QB, but he'll need a couple of years to develop.

Matt Stafford is more NFL ready.

In the end, if Mark Sanchez came out early also, I'd rather have him, cause he just seems to have this indefinable quality that raises the level of play of everyone around him.

The other thing here is I'm not sure how many of them had the number of starts Stafford will have after this year in 35, atleast the non redshirted guys, alot of them seem to have numbers like Leafs where they started 24 or in that range.

I'm in on Stafford. He doesn't look as frail as Croyle.

Mecca, was it ourlads or some other service that did the QB analysis and came up with # of starts and completion % as being the two most important attributes in forecasting success in the NFL?

That's because he's probably about 40lbs heavier.

He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.

And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...

It's actually something they took from a thing called the Lewin projection system,The idea is hinged on the assumption that with sufficient game film, scouts can accurately determine weather or not a player has the capacity to be an early round pick. So games started becomes a big factor. Players who start relatively few games tend to have their stock skewed upwards because the scouts haven't seen as much on them, so they get sold on "Upside". This along with completion percentage goes into the projection.

The result is a system that accurately predicted that Peyton Manning would be great, and that Ryan Leaf would be a failure. It's been pretty accurate for the most part.

If you pull up freshman and sophomore stats Stafford's are pretty right in line with Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer.

LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.

I hope Georgia takes care of our QBoTF. Count me in on the Stafford bandwagon

You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.

Matter of opinion.

He had a couple of big years, and the rest of his career could be best described as productive, but watching him, I just never thought he was anything to write home about.



He's 6'3" and about 230 lbs, with a decent arm.

I wouldn't draft him, but he does have the tools.

Actually no, no amount of coaching can make Chase Daniel grow 4-6 inches.

If he was 6'3 or 6'4 he'd be talked about as a top 10 pick...of course if he was that tall he may not have ended up at Missouri or as a 3 star recruit either....but the fact remains no matter how good he is no amount of coaching can change that he's to short.

Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.

And except for that whole midget thing.

We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.

Doug Flutie

A closer comparison would be Drew Brees.

It's a real legit concern, are there any starting QB's in the league under 6'? How big are all the best QB's? Guys like Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger are all well over 6'3...

Height is a much bigger deal to the position than it's given credit for.

Newsflash: white-athletic-mobile college QB's uncomfortable as pure passers are just as likely to bust as black-athletic-moble college QB's.

He's physically gifted, I agree, but I don't want him leading my offense...

Drafting another QB means another 2 to 3 years of ugly games .. but its the only way to completely rebuild ... Croyle is too brittle ... I like the two kids from here KUs & MUs QBs...

Bradford is more polished and much closer to a finished product..if you have a competent coach that can teach Stafford footwork and base stuff think of what he'll be then.

Stafford is far and away more physically gifted.....Bradford is safe but I don't think he'll ever be elite....Stafford on the other hand is a bit riskier but he grew up idolizing Elway and does possess some of those skills.