AP: Chiefs hoping Broncos' luck rubs off on them
 

Chiefs hoping Broncos' luck rubs off on them
Updated: September 25, 2008, 5:37 PM EST

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - While everybody raves about how lucky Denver's been, Kansas City coach Herm Edwards finds something even more admirable about the unbeaten Broncos.

They've been smart, Edwards says. Most of all, they've been steadfast. They put up with the inevitable growing pains of young players, particularly quarterback Jay Cutler, and are now reaping the rewards.

It's the sort of thing a coach in Edwards' seat would quickly note. He's struggling with a restive, unruly fan base and an 0-3 team loaded with young players who are experiencing the same fatal errors that Mike Shanahan's Broncos displayed while Cutler and other young athletes were coming around.

"Mike's been patient. He's been very patient with (Cutler)," said Edwards. "Brought him along, and the guy's gotten better. He's learned from his errors. And they stuck together and the guy's just gotten better and gotten better. Now all of a sudden, he's playing well and he's got some confidence."

It's the same future Edwards foresees for the Chiefs (0-3) once they work their way past this painful process of on-the-job training. The next test in the education will be dished out by the Broncos (3-0) at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday.

With Cutler ranking second in the league with 914 yards passing, the Broncos are one of five 3-0 teams and have a passing offense ranking second.

"They've won some close games. They're putting up a lot of points and he's doing a great job and that's what you like to see," Edwards said.

"Here's a guy they developed at quarterback. How about that? They developed a quarterback. They drafted a guy three years ago and he finally is playing good after three years. He's playing what they thought they were going to get. They sat there and they developed the guy. And it's taken that long for them to do it."

Brodie Croyle, in his third year with Kansas City, is supposed to be the quarterback of the future but is having trouble staying on the field. Felled by a shoulder injury, he's marking time until he can come back, possibly in mid-October.

Cutler himself feels bad for his counterpart.

"They put me in as a rookie, let me develop for a year or so and here we are," said Cutler, who's 2-0 against the Chiefs. "You've got to be in there to learn and experience stuff. I talk to Brodie every once in a while. It's tough when you get hurt as a young quarterback because you don't get those snaps. You don't get that time in practice."

The Chiefs will be out to win for the first time in 13 games, a franchise-worst skid that has fans calling for the scalp of general manager Carl Peterson and just about everyone else in the front office whose name they know how to pronounce.

A victory, Edwards said, would be "like three Christmases rolled into one. And New Year's. And everything else."

For the third straight week, Edwards is making a change at quarterback.

This week it's Damon Huard's turn to take the reins. The 12-year veteran, who was benched in favor of Tyler Thigpen in the third week, now sends Thigpen back to the sideline and gets his second start in a season that is threatening to turn into something totally forgettable.

Adding to the Chiefs' angst will be the name of the man who'll be snapping the ball to Cutler. It's none other than Casey Wiegmann, who served as KC's highly capable center from 2001-07, helping anchor what used to be one of the best offensive lines in Chiefs history.

Signed by the Broncos after the Chiefs cut him, Wiegmann became the Broncos' starter when Tom Nalen went on injured reserve.

"Casey was such a great player from Kansas City for so many years and we were just shocked that he was on the street," said Shanahan. "When we saw that he was on the street, we just tried to gobble him up as quickly as we could knowing that any injury is possible during the season."

Have fun losing the passing title because your team rushes for 350 yards a game on us!

Well, you can hope in one hand and shit in the other...

Cripe.

The difference between Rizzo developing a quarterback and Herm developing a quarterback is the difference between a Metropolitan Opera rehearsal and Asian elephant sex. Give me a break.

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"Adding to the Chiefs' angst will be the name of the man who'll be snapping the ball to Cutler. It's none other than Casey Wiegmann, who served as KC's highly capable center from 2001-07, helping anchor what used to be one of the best offensive lines in Chiefs history."

Excuse me ... one of the best offensive lines in NFL history.

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The Broncos kind of did a halfass rebuild. Their defense doesn't have much homegrown talent. The offense has a lot more. They'll probably make the playoffs this year but will that defense hold them back long term? Probably.

The way Herm is doing it requires more patience. We're rebuilding both sides of the ball at once and refused to do any more patch jobs with veteran free agents.

Apt patience for his ass to leave the organization ASAP

That's hilarious. We did it without accepting failure as necessary. All our super stars on our offense were taken in a draft where we went 13-3 and were picking toward the bottom of the league. We've drafted a few guys on defense, but the jury is still out on most of them. We'll probably have our defense turned around before your team ever reaches .500.

NEWSFLASH - Shanahan isn't ever going to turn your defense around. He'll retire before your defense ever cracks the top ten again.

"Super stars"????

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The only thing that rubs off the donkeys is cooking spray.

...dang straight Mr. Fax

Chris Bober...now there was a beast.

Man. Those guys ran the sweep better than anybody ever did.

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shanahan coached circles around vermeil and cunningham. he could draw plays out of a hat and outcoach Herm

Apparently, it is impossible to write anything positive about the Chiefs these days without sounding like some grossly exaggerated parody or Onion article. There is nothing remotely similar between Cutler and Croyle and even less between what Denver is doing and whatever the heck Herm pretends he is doing. I guess I should be more angry but I find Herm's Chiefs to be not unlike "dada" art- unimaginative, unimpressive, pointless and without direction and yet someone (Clark Hunt) is willing to pay a great deal of money for it and that fact does bemuse me a bit.

Shanahan could create a playbook made entirely of Rorschach images, give no further explanation and the Broncos would still beat Herm's Chiefs.

I am not seeing how the artist formerly known as genious was anywhere close to outcoaching DV... record for his tenure was 4-6. Think before you speak.

Gunther OWNED Shanahan. It's the only good thing he's ever done. Don't destroy it.

Uh huh, whatever helps you sleep at night. With 8 of the 11 starters on the offense being in their 3rd season or younger, Shanahan has the ability to focus both picks and FA dollars on the defense for the foreseeable future, and they've got an offense that will keep them in every game. Could it not work out? Of course. But don't pull the bullshit out that the Chiefs are going about it in a better way. 7-9 looks like it *might* be a rebuilding year under Shanny, after Carl's own comments the other day, who knows what a rebuilding year will look like in the final standings.

So who will you guys be signing now? Daryl Gardener or some more Browncos?

Is there a future Jarvis Moss coming out in the draft next year? Maybe another corner like Foxworth? WOW! SHANNY COULD FIND SOME GEMS FOR SURE, NOW!

A freaking Dada reference on an NFL board? Are you kidding me?

I have all kinds of newfound respect for you, el borracho.

Wow, all that and that's all you can come back with. For someone who loves to write his little essays, you know Denver's set on offense for a long, long time and you can't stand it. The funny part is that Denver's probably set at 5 of their defensive spots (WLB, DT x2, and CB x2), and maybe a 6th with Dumervil. Granted they're absolutely terrible at the other spots, but Denver really isn't as far away on defense as you'd like to wish they were.

You're not wrong. **** you for saying it.

You guys are set at defensive tackle?

ROFL

Shanahan was 6-4 against Vermiel. He beat him 6 times, and lost to him four.

He outcoached Vermiel.

Set, no. But we've got some young talent there to build around, to be sure.

He had to. Anything to save face after getting dominated by Gunther.

If Jay Cutler passes for more than 350 yards against the Chiefs I will proudly wear this avatar all season long.

You think Gunther smack is going to impress anybody? You can hold onto that like my two year old holds on to his woobie - but it isn't going to keep the scary monsters away.

I like this better for your avatar. :D

http://lp.imageg.net/prod?set=key[na...tomback.chain]

Hollow words from a kid with no sense of honor.

As far as I'm concerned Shanahan has never emotionally recovered from the savage beatings Gunther gave him two years in a row. How many playoff games has Shanahan won since? I rest my case.

Yeah, they are. Try watching a game or two. Teams are not running up the middle on them, they're killing them by running wide. Are they the best tandem in the league? No. But is it a critical need that has to be addressed over LDE, MLB, and both safety spots? Nope.

That would explain why your team has failed to win anything meaningful since Denver took you in your own house back in '97.

Eleven years later, and your organization is still reeling.

Oh boy...get ready for the Chiefs. That's ALL we do.

I was hoping Brodie would be ready by this game so I could see who would get up first when he was tackled by Boss the first time.

Probably Brodie.

OK, that was funny.

But seriously, Boss Bailey, come on down. Larry is waiting for your tackle attempt.

good comparison.

this Dada piece reminds me of Carl and Herm:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Fountaine.jpg

Gun owned Shanny. 4-0.

The same number that Carl has won in his entire tenure.

You'll have to explain to KCJohnny that 11 years is longer than a decade.

denver usually does not have that great of talent. top to bottom, the are never the most talented team in the NFL, not since their superbowls a decade ago. maybe they even are middle of the road most years. they have made tons of bad picks and free agent signings.

but shanahan always has teams gameplanned, they always exploit our weaknesses on defense like surgeons, they end up making adjustments we can't adjust to.

i'm surprised people are feeling cocky when the league's best offense so far is visiting the league's worst defense. normally you look at that and say, we're screwed.

and that is to say nothing of the league's worst offense also playing in the game.

All Herm has left is hope huh?


Well this is just ****ing great. Folks we have the worst HC in the NFL.

And it's not even close.

I dunno about outcoached.

Our defense was so piss poor bad, when you guys had Portis, I used to cringe watching those games.

Yes, KCJohnny is the one who doesn't understand the lenth of a decade:

Brock Landers:
"the game passed Gunther by more than a decade ago."

Decade = 10 years.

More than a decade = 11+ years.

11 years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs won the defense scoring title, repeating the same feat accomplished in the 1995 campaign. KC's D was the NFL's best in the period of 1995-1997 under Gunther Cunningham.

Brock also compared the US Army to junior high school, just so all you vets know Mr. Landers' deep and abiding respect for your service to our nation.

And to cap it all off, Brock Landers sent KCJohnny this lovely Hallmark Card as a Neg Rep comment:

- September 14, 2008

Hey, don't blame me if you can't do simple math. That may explain a lot about you and your situation. As far as the neg rep goes, you have my apologies, if it means you'll stop whining about it.

Dude, you really need to stop with the whole Military services thing. We aren't here to try to offend you, you've brought it up many times in the past........we all get you have great aspirations for the military and their services.....it's gettin kinda old, dude.

You need to check facts before you condemn others. I didn't bring it up.

You always bring that shit up.......no one cares anymore.....its old.

For once.

So, you're saying there's hope?

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If I have your apologies, then you will agree that I am not whining about anything. I am fully willing to accept your apologies but you do not have a blank check to insult veterans because of your low opinion of KCJ, which is exactly what you did.

Some of you people need assistance in distinguishing between real life (warfare, politics, families) and an internet bulletin board dedicated to discussion forums about entertainment.

So do you man........good lord.

So are your cheap shots, one liners and ad hominem attacks, young man. I and others are less than entertained by your drive-by spewings disguised as Chiefs discussion.

You're always whining. One would think you could look back at your several full-on meltdowns in the past and realize that it isn't me who has the problem distinguishing internet vs. real life.

ROFL

:rolleyes:

I talk about Chiefs on this board ALL the time on this forum.

Anytime anyone talks about the war, Bush, politics negatively, you spew off about how they're disrespecting our fellow soldiers and aren't american blah blah blah.


Your ass needs to strictly hang out in the DC forum......that and your knowledge of football in general is downright laughable.

Maybe someone ought to tell Herm that the Broncos rebuilt with a legit QBOTF. The Chiefs aren't. The Broncos rebuilt within a "system." the Chiefs don't have one. The Broncos never were as bad as the Chiefs are now. The Rat is a far better coach than Herm will ever be.

We have a system.

R2P2.........it's the new hip offense re-incarnated from the 1940's.

OK. On a football (entertainment) BBS I have expressed outrage at the depth of disrespect for veterans after spending 12 months in combat in Iraq. If this so-called "melt down" (a home made PPL term) means anything, it is an unquantifiable assessment of a minority of posters that are themselves practioners of groupthink.

Your multiple personal insults, ad hominem attacks and thread hi-jackings demonstrate 10x the depth of unacceptable behavior you pretend to levy at me and others who do not respect your venomous and slanderous remarks.

I am a member of several other online communities which deal with actual serious content (Small Wars Journal, OneFreeKorea, Battle Command Knowledge System, Army Knowledge Online) where I contribute as a subject matter expert.

You have supplied no other credentials for yourself other than uncharitable cheap shots, misquotes, drive by insults and neg rep hate.

I am prepared to stand by my credentials and record. My remarks on an entertainment BBS are inconsequential and so are yours, except that uncharitable behavior is observed by the Almighty, and He will reckon according to His divine preroggative.

How much football have you played and at what level, Mr. CoMoChief?

ROFL - Oh yeah. I forgot. Our "system" spans TWO OC's too...:hmmm:

Hey Johnboy, you're not unpopular because of groupthink, you're unpopular because you're a pompous asshole.

That's not anywhere near the point I'm trying to make....

I've read many of your posts.........now its to the point where I just read them for comic relief.

Please answer the question.

Same question, Kyle:
How much football have you played and at what level?

Crickets...

ROFL Whats that gonna prove?

Everyone thinks your the biggest fuggin homo on the board.

How much football have YOU played and at what level? I know you're dying to thump your chest.

Me? I've never played football. What does that have to do with you being a pompous asshole?

I'll make sure I put my job on hold from now on so I can answer your questions with the appropriate promptness.

Nice try, poseur. Now you are exposed. All talk and no experience. At least I played at the semi-pro level for the 1992 Virginia Ravens of the Mason-Dixon Football League.

I think Dante Hall is bigger than you.

I hope to god that is a picture from pee wee football......for your sake of course.

I can address your comments without the gratuitous slander that you deem necessary to inflate your self esteem. You have never played football by your own admission. Never been hit by a 250 lb lineman, never returned a punt, never made a first down in actual competition.

Well I have. So your so-called expertise is based on remote observance and third-party analysis. OK. It is what it is.

What t isn't is expereince. Take note, boys and girls. This is your generation here we are discussing. There are those who do, those who pose as doers, and those who hide behind internet usernames as supposed experts who have no more expertise than the man on the moon.

I commend you, Kyle for at least admitting you do not know the realities of the gridiron. Mr. CoMoChief does not seem to evince like humility.

Holy Thread Hijackings, Batman!!!

Forgive me if I want to discuss the upcoming football match between Denver's Broncos and Kansas City's Chiefs and not watch Proctor measure his johnson.

First time in a long time, I really know that KC has absolutely no chance at being a factor in this game. At this point, Im just rooting for KC to do the 'Tiger-slam' and lose 16 in a row. At least it will make the club noteworthy for something.

It's embarrassing to see anyone bring up the Gunther smack. That was so long ago, this place didnt exist for the first year and had about 200 members the second year.

Always enjoyed the Denver/KC games with Garcia Bronco at a local tavern...too bad it's not even interesting.

Dante Hall and I have something you wish you had:

testicles.

Another internet expert with no actual football experience. Next?

Is it really supposed to impress anyone that you played football in some dirt lot somewhere in front of 8 people on a team that a good high school squad could embarrass?

How uncharitable of you. God is watching.