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Mr. Laz 10-06-2008 06:38 PM

Mock Me, Mock Me Hard!!!
 
2009 Mock NFL Draft: Updated 25 September 08

As we have seen in recent years, underclassmen will likely dominate the 2009 NFL Draft. If you see (JR) it means the prospects will be juniors for the 2009 NFL Draft. This draft will be very weak at quarterback and receiver, but should be incredibly strong at linebacker, tight end and offensive tackle. The order is based off our NFL Power rankings.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...mock_draft.htm

<table border="1" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" bgcolor="#0033cc">2009 NFL Mock Draft</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Team</td><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Pos </td><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Player</td><td style="width: 385px;" bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Comments:</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475119.gif</td><td align="center">1</td><td>QB, Mathew Stafford, Georgia (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">If the strong armed Stafford comes out early he will likely be the first QB taken. Is Trent Green really starting for the Rams?</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475114.gif</td><td align="center">2</td><td>LB, Rey Maualuga, USC </td><td style="width: 385px;">They won't draft another receiver, but instead will upgrade their defense. Big, fast linebackers are hard to find. Rey might have been a top ten pick if he would have entered the 2008 NFL Draft.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474907.jpg</td><td align="center">3</td><td>OT, Andre Smith, Alabama (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Smith is huge at 6' 4" 330 pounds, slides his thick legs very well and plays with great balance and power. Might end up at guard.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474916.jpg</td><td align="center">4</td><td>WR, Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech (Soph)
</td><td style="width: 385px;">The top receiver in the nation is a draft eligible sophomore. He is even good enough to be the first over all pick. A nice target for QB JaMarcus Russell.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/browns.gif</td><td align="center">5</td><td>RB, Knowshon Moreno, Georgia (Soph)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Moreno is a draft eligible sophomore and the best running back in the nation, hands down.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474901.jpg</td><td align="center">6</td><td>OT, Eugene Monroe, Virginia</td><td style="width: 385px;">Wow three OTs taken in the top ten. Monroe (6' 5" 315 lbs) is just as talented as teammate Brandon Albert who was drafted 15th over all by the KC Chiefs. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474909.jpg</td><td align="center">7</td><td>LB, James
Laurinaitis,Ohio State
</td><td style="width: 385px;">Parcells loves to draft linebackers. Laurinaitis won the Butkis Award in 2007 and could have been a top ten pick if he would have entered the 2008 NFL Draft.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475108.jpg</td><td align="center">8</td><td>OT, Michael Oher, Ole Miss</td><td style="width: 385px;">Oher is very athletic, has nice size (6' 6" 320 lbs) and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Young, talented QB Matt Ryan needs protection.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474922.jpg</td><td align="center">9</td><td>CB, Vontae Davis, Illinois (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">The younger brother of 49er TE Vernon Davis. He (Davis) has as much talent as any DB in the nation, has decent size (5' 11" 188 lbs) and runs a 4.35 forty. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/vikings.gif</td><td align="center">10</td><td>
CB, Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
</td><td style="width: 385px;">I was surprised Jenkins didn't enter the 2008 NFL Draft, where he would have been a top 20 selection. Jenkins is the top rated cornerback entering the 2008 season. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474910.jpg</td><td align="center">11</td><td>LB, Brian Cushing, USC</td><td style="width: 385px;">He fought injuries last year, but as a soph recorded 57 tackles and 13.5 tackles for loss. The Jags get a potential pro bowl linebacker with nice size (6' 3" 245 lbs). Also very good in pass coverage. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475100.jpg</td><td align="center">12</td><td>QB, Curtis Painter, Purdue </td><td style="width: 385px;">The 6' 3" 224 pound quarterback has legitimate NFL potential. The Bears haven't drafted a quarterback since 2005, when they drafted Kyle Orton in the 4th round. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474911.jpg</td><td align="center">13</td><td>DE, Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech </td><td style="width: 385px;">Not huge at 6' 6" 255 pounds, but he is very explosive coming off the edge. Almost entered the 2008 NFL Draft where he was graded as a 3rd rounder despite missing most of the season with injuries.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474917.jpg</td><td align="center">14</td><td>LB, Brandon Spikes, Florida (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Spikes hits like a ton of bricks and has nice size at 6' 3" 240 lbs. He recorded 16 tackles for loss and 7 pass break-ups in 2007. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475122.gif</td><td align="center">15</td><td>WR, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland (JR) </td><td style="width: 385px;">Seattle doesn't have a receiver that can draw a double team, enter Heyward-Bey. Big (6' 3" 206), fast (4.34)and great hands.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36" colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"> sr_adspace_id = 2475507; sr_adspace_width = 728; sr_adspace_height = 90; sr_adspace_type = "graphic"; sr_color_back = "#FFFFFF"; sr_color_text = "#000000"; sr_color_url = "#E15F00"; sr_color_title = "#3F66B3"; sr_color_border = "#3366CC"; sr_color_your_ad = "#2852A3"; sr_color_your_adbk = "#FFDD81"; sr_ad_new_window = true; </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=2475507"> </script>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475099.jpg</td><td align="center">16</td><td>RB, Chris (Beenie) Wells, Ohio State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Wells (6' 1" 225 lbs/ 4.46 speed) has all the talent in the world and will rise up the boards again once he gets healthy. A needed relief for Frank Gore.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36">http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/Colts65by65.jpg</td><td class="style36" align="center">17</td><td class="style36">WR, Jeremy Maclin, Missouri (soph)</td><td class="style36" style="width: 385px;">An eligible soph, if he comes out early he will be a hot commodity. Maclin (6' 1" 200), exploded for a team high 1,055 receiving yards last season. Blazing fast, Maclin ran a 4.32 this spring.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36">http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475121.gif</td><td class="style36" align="center">18</td><td class="style36">DE/OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn (JR)</td><td class="style36" style="width: 385px;">Coleman is a pass rushing terror, after only three games into the 2008 season he already has 4 sacks and 5 tackles for a loss.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475104.jpg</td><td align="center">19</td><td>
LB, Aaron Curry, Wake Forest </td><td style="width: 385px;">A very talented, relatively unknown linebacker with nice size (6' 3" 247 lbs). Curry recorded 13.5 tackles for loss in 2007.</td></tr><tr><td>Washington
</td><td align="center">20</td><td>DE, George Selvie, South Florida (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Selvie is a pass rushing terror, constant double teams this year, but in 2007 Selvie led the nation in tackles for loss with an amazing 31.5 and an additional 14.5 sacks. </td></tr><tr><td>Philly
</td><td align="center">21</td><td>FS, William Moore, Missouri </td><td style="width: 385px;">From Panthers: Moore is the epitome of a ball hawk, recording 8 interceptions in 2007 which was tops in the country. He is also a big time hitter with nice size at 6' 1" 215 lbs.</td></tr><tr><td>Chargers
</td><td align="center">22</td><td>CB, Darius Butler, Connecticut</td><td style="width: 385px;">Butler is a supreme talent and will give the Chargers some depth at the corner position.</td></tr><tr><td>Green
Bay
</td><td align="center">23</td><td>CB, Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest</td><td style="width: 385px;">This little ball hawk is an excellent cover corner. Al Harris suffered a serious injury and might not make it back 100%.</td></tr><tr><td>Bucs
</td><td align="center">24</td><td>WR, Percy Harvin, Florida (JR) </td><td style="width: 385px;">Not huge at 5' 11" 184 pounds, but Harvin is a super talent and put up huge numbers in 2007 where he ran for 764 yards and 6 TDs and also caught 59 passes for 858 yards and 4 TDs. </td></tr><tr><td>Patriots
</td><td align="center">25</td><td>WR, Brian Robiskie, Ohio State</td><td style="width: 385px;">Robiskie should be one of the top senior receivers available for the 2009 NFL Draft. He is the son of former NFL player and current coach Terry Robiskie and had 55 receptions for 935 yards and 11 TDs in 2007.</td></tr><tr><td>Steelers
</td><td align="center">26</td><td class="style36">OT, Fenuki Tupou, Oregon</td><td style="width: 385px;">Tupou is an under rated tackle with nice size (6' 5" 328 lbs). He held his own against South Florida's George Selvie in the Sun Bowl.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-7670561362994454"; google_ad_slot = "7942487620"; google_ad_width = 300; google_ad_height = 250; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script>
</td></tr><tr><td>Titans
</td><td align="center">27</td><td>DE/OLB Everette Brown, Florida State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Brown is in the mold of the Cowboys DeMarcus Ware. He is off to a good start in 2008 with 2 sacks and 4 tackle for losses (TFL) after only three games.</td></tr><tr><td>Philly
</td><td align="center">28</td><td>TE, Brandon Pettigrew, OK State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">2009 might be considered the year of the tight if a couple talented juniors declare. At 6' 5" 260 pounds Pettigrew is a complete tight end.</td></tr><tr><td align="center">Buffalo
</td><td align="center">29 </td><td>TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin</td><td style="width: 385px;">Beckum reminds me of the 49ers Vernon Davis. He (Beckum) is more of a speedy H-back at 6' 4" 235 lbs, but his speed will really stretch the field.</td></tr><tr><td align="center">Giants
</td><td align="center">30 </td><td>OT Jamon Meridith, South Carolina</td><td style="width: 385px;">Meridith (6' 5" 305 lbs) came out of no where to be one of the top offensive lineman entering the 2009 season. He seems to get better each game under Steve Spurriers tutelage.</td></tr><tr><td>Broncos
</td><td align="center">31</td><td>DT, Peria Jerry, Ole Miss</td><td style="width: 385px;">The Broncos still need help on defense and Jerry (6' 2" 292 lbs) is a stud. After getting surgery in week one, he only missed one full game and has already recorded 4.5 tackles for loss.</td></tr><tr><td>Dallas
</td><td align="center">32</td><td>OG, George (Duke) Robinson, Oklahoma (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">A massive (6' 4" 330 lbs), athletic offensive lineman that can easily start at left guard for Dallas. The question is, will Robinson fall this far or will Dallas have to trade up to get him?</td></tr><tr><td colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"> sr_adspace_id = 2475507; sr_adspace_width = 728; sr_adspace_height = 90; sr_adspace_type = "graphic"; sr_color_back = "#FFFFFF"; sr_color_text = "#000000"; sr_color_url = "#E15F00"; sr_color_title = "#3F66B3"; sr_color_border = "#3366CC"; sr_color_your_ad = "#2852A3"; sr_color_your_adbk = "#FFDD81"; sr_ad_new_window = true; </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=2475507"> </script>
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ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 06:39 PM

That would blow if the draft fell like that.

SAUTO 10-06-2008 06:40 PM

really.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:42 PM

that's how it goes down?

we're fucked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.

keg in kc 10-06-2008 06:43 PM

I don't particularly want to draft any "might end up a guard" in the top 5.

JimNasium 10-06-2008 06:43 PM

I'd love to see the reaction if we end up with a tackle-to-guard conversion at #3.

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 06:43 PM

No thanks. Oher or Crabtree would be fine. Even Johnson.

Of course, we should think about trading up to get Daniel b/c he'll likely be first off the board. Then, trade back into the first to snag Maclin. Coffman in the second.

Dynasty...(without the tradition of Nebraska, of course)

keg in kc 10-06-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5089371)
we're fucked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.

Assuming he's not injury prone, I'd say Albert's already shown he can play tackle.

Long Duk Dong 10-06-2008 06:45 PM

Bad bad bad.

I<3Herm 10-06-2008 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5089371)
that's how it goes down?

we're fucked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.

Do you guys even know who Smith is or are you just basing this off the guy's comment. Smith is a very good player. He's not a QB but we'd be lucky to have him. He's much more polished than Oher at this point. He's very much a legit Tackle prospect.

philfree 10-06-2008 06:47 PM

As much as I prefer to draft the best player available I don't think we'll draft OT with a top pick two years in a row. We've got our LT in Alberts unless he continues to be injured. Michael Johnson sure dropped in this mock.

PhilFree:arrow:

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5089384)
Assuming he's not injury prone, I'd say Albert's already shown he can play tackle.

I think he'll be a great LT for years. BUT, as many have pointed, out, he's GOOD as a guard, and could be GREAT as a tackle.

you do NOT draft a guard in the first round. period. end of sentence, end of story.

let's face it though. guard to tackle is the new safety to cornerback.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I<3Herm (Post 5089389)
Do you guys even know who Smith is or are you just basing this off the guy's comment. Smith is a very good player. He's not a QB but we'd be lucky to have him. He's much more polished than Oher at this point. He's very much a legit Tackle prospect.

I know who he is. I was being a smartass, n00b.

Mr. Laz 10-06-2008 06:50 PM

wouldn't we grab Crabtree if it fell like this?



2 years we grab arguably the best player in the draft......

Mr. Arrowhead 10-06-2008 06:50 PM

this Mock is a joke

RustShack 10-06-2008 06:50 PM

Drafting an OG #3?

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 06:50 PM

The only upside to this is that Andre Smith at left tackle and Albert at guard would be a scary good OL for many many years.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5089406)
wouldn't we grab Crabtree if it fell like this?



2 years we grab arguably the best player in the draft......

yep. I'd either take crabtree or the best passrushing DE (so we can put hali back in his best position).

keg in kc 10-06-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5089398)
I think he'll be a great LT for years. BUT, as many have pointed, out, he's GOOD as a guard, and could be GREAT as a tackle.

you do NOT draft a guard in the first round. period. end of sentence, end of story.

let's face it though. guard to tackle is the new safety to cornerback.

Good thing we drafted a tackle then, ain't it.

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5089408)
Drafting an OG #3?

He isnt a guard, he will be a left tackle in the league.

I<3Herm 10-06-2008 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5089424)
He isnt a guard, he will be a left tackle in the league.

That's what i've been saying. Disregard the guard talk. He's more polished than Oher and is a legit tackle prospect.

keg in kc 10-06-2008 06:55 PM

And yea, Crabtree sounds more like it to me.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5089423)
Good thing we drafted a tackle then, ain't it.

indeed.

which is why I really don't want a tackle. let albert develop and get a QB if at all possible, a DE, or crabtree.

I wouldn't be unhappy with trading down a few slots and getting maualaga

Mr. Arrowhead 10-06-2008 06:56 PM

there is no way Curtis Painter gets drafted at #12

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5089437)
indeed.

which is why I really don't want a tackle. let albert develop and get a QB if at all possible, a DE, or crabtree.

I wouldn't be unhappy with trading down a few slots and getting maualaga

Did you see this draft, Maualaga was taken #2.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5089441)
Did you see this draft, Maualaga was taken #2.

I honestly don't see anybody picking maualuga that high come next april.

I could be wrong. I could be right. who the hell knows right now.

but I just don't see anybody picking maualuga that high.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:00 PM

Andre Smith in no way shape or form ends up as a guard, but this mock is pretty much the worst scenario that could happen.

Crabtree I suspect won't have a top 5 grade on him due to his workouts.

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 07:00 PM

I agree with you on that. 5 to 15 is Maualaga's range.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089455)
Andre Smith in no way shape or form ends up as a guard, but this mock is pretty much the worst scenario that could happen.

and probably EXACTLY how it will go down...

and once more, we as chiefs fans are ****ed.

we should be used to it.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:03 PM

If we aren't taking a QB it has to be a DE simple as that.

Mr. Laz 10-06-2008 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089467)
If we aren't taking a QB it has to be a DE simple as that.

so no "Best available" this year?

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 07:06 PM

we need a DE. badly.

but crabtree wouldn't hurt my feelings. at all.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5089471)
so no "Best available" this year?

You wanna take another OT, hey be my guest although our team will look exactly the same.

BigVE 10-06-2008 07:07 PM

Meh, I'm guessing St. Louis and Detroit pull out a few wins and we end up in the number 1 slot. This mock is a crock.

DaKCMan AP 10-06-2008 07:08 PM

Maualuga at 2? 4 LBs in the top-14? ROFL

Mr. Laz 10-06-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089480)
You wanna take another OT, hey be my guest although our team will look exactly the same.

hey ... you the one that says every year that selecting for need is what got the Chiefs in this bad shape.

changing your mind?

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5089495)
hey ... you the one that says every year that selecting for need is what got the Chiefs in this bad shape.

changing your mind?

No not really I just don't agree with this mock there is no way Michael Johnson isn't a top 10 pick.

Mr. Laz 10-06-2008 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089513)
No not really I just don't agree with this mock there is no way Michael Johnson isn't a top 10 pick.

hmmm ...

not exactly what you said though is it


QB or DE this year ........ period?

btlook1 10-06-2008 07:28 PM

So Dallas is going to win the superbowl? NOT! I see the Giant's doing a repeat before Dallas!

the Talking Can 10-06-2008 07:29 PM

a True Fan's wet dream

win enough games to not get our QB, and then draft a guard.....lovely


every game we win this year is a disaster...we need to be #1

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 07:29 PM

Wouldn't Crabtree be the BPA? It's not like we couldn't use a #1 receiver. Bowe is very solid (so it seems, at least), but he can't stretch the field, so he's more of a possession type.

I'm sure the Bowe crowd will be pleased with this comment, but, unfortunately, it's the truth.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5089550)
Wouldn't Crabtree be the BPA? It's not like we couldn't use a #1 receiver. Bowe is very solid (so it seems, at least), but he can't stretch the field, so he's more of a possession type.

I'm sure the Bowe crowd will be pleased with this comment, but, unfortunately, it's the truth.

Crabtree is going to get the serious question thing, expect it. Let me show you a write up on him....

Whether it’s in 2008, 2009 or even 2010 Michael Crabtree is going to be a very interesting and controversial pro prospect. Just a redshirt sophomore, Crabtree is coming off one of the most prolific seasons for a pass catcher in the history of college football but when evaluating him for the next level there are some big concerns. Not only does Crabtree play in an offense that is conducive to putting up those big numbers but he is also relatively inexperienced and may not have the ideal timed speed you look for. The question becomes is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he Jarrett Hicks? You will probably see him going much earlier in other mock drafts but considering those question marks I have a hard time putting Crabtree any higher than this.

This is 15.

HolmeZz 10-06-2008 07:35 PM

I love Smith and Oher. I'd probably take Crabtree in that spot though.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:37 PM

For Crabtree to go that high he better run faster than his projected 4.4....the team he's on will knock him.

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089569)
Crabtree is going to get the serious question thing, expect it. Let me show you a write up on him....

Whether it’s in 2008, 2009 or even 2010 Michael Crabtree is going to be a very interesting and controversial pro prospect. Just a redshirt sophomore, Crabtree is coming off one of the most prolific seasons for a pass catcher in the history of college football but when evaluating him for the next level there are some big concerns. Not only does Crabtree play in an offense that is conducive to putting up those big numbers but he is also relatively inexperienced and may not have the ideal timed speed you look for. The question becomes is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he Jarrett Hicks? You will probably see him going much earlier in other mock drafts but considering those question marks I have a hard time putting Crabtree any higher than this.

This is 15.

That's interesting. Going into the season, I thought he was being talked about in the same fashion as Calvin Johnson, an All-Everything WR and can't-miss talent.

Nightfyre 10-06-2008 07:38 PM

I'd take Johnson in that spot, no doubt.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5089580)
That's interesting. Going into the season, I thought he was being talked about in the same fashion as Calvin Johnson, an All-Everything WR and can't-miss talent.

Calvin Johnson is much faster....

Crabtree's best upside is Fitzgerald who didn't have great timed speed either but he also didn't play in a gimmick offense.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 07:43 PM

I love how in October, some of you guys just KNOW that we'll have to be picking 1st to get Stafford.

How quickly we've forgotten this time last year, when it was a supposed lock that Brian Brohm and Andre Woodson would be the first two QB's taken in the draft.

How interesting that one of those players was picked in the late 2nd round, and is currently the 3rd QB behind a guy that was picked in the 7th round of the same draft - and one of those players was lucky to be drafted at all, slipping to the 6th round, and is currently on a PRACTICE SQUAD, available to anyone willing to give him a roster spot.

Mecca 10-06-2008 07:45 PM

Point out to me something Stafford does that will drop him.....he doesn't have Woodson's throwing motion or release...or injury issues or a light arm.

Stafford is everything that makes guys rise in the scouting room not fall.

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089593)
Calvin Johnson is much faster....

Crabtree's best upside is Fitzgerald who didn't have great timed speed either but he also didn't play in a gimmick offense.

Cool. I'd take a Fitz...

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089607)
Point out to me something Stafford does that will drop him.....he doesn't have Woodson's throwing motion or release...or injury issues or a light arm.

Stafford is everything that makes guys rise in the scouting room not fall.



What did Woodson and Brohm do to get dropped?

How are you a lead-pipe lock to be a high R1 pick in October, then almost fall to the 3rd round in April?

Better yet, how do you not beat out Matt ****ing Flynn for the backup job?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=80

TrickyNicky 10-06-2008 08:06 PM

I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 5089698)
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

Exactly why you DON'T reach for a player based on need.

TrickyNicky 10-06-2008 08:15 PM

If we're top 3 and we don't take Stafford if he's there, we riot.

philfree 10-06-2008 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 5089698)
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.


As nice as that would be there will come a point where we have to visit free agency to get a player or two that can fill the gaps. IMO 2009 will be that time. Because of the nature of the league with injuries and free agency there is no way you can count on building a team with no free agents. Players that have been drafted will not work out, become lost forever to injury or be lost as free agents. It doesn't appear that way right now but have a nucleus of young players which we've drafted the last three years. We need to hit on next years draft in the first couple of rounds and then we need to fill out the roster with some worth while free agents. Pinning our hopes to rookies every year just won't cut it. Just ask Detroit and AZ about it.

PhilFree:arrow:

TrickyNicky 10-06-2008 08:20 PM

I agree. We have the cap to make a run at some of the bigger free agents. One thing we can't do is offer our top 3 picks in trades. We need all the help we can get at this point.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5089681)
What did Woodson and Brohm do to get dropped?

How are you a lead-pipe lock to be a high R1 pick in October, then almost fall to the 3rd round in April?

Better yet, how do you not beat out Matt ****ing Flynn for the backup job?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=80

Woodson's throwing motion killed him, people think/thought he'd throw tons of INT's because of how slow the ball came out.

Brohm's issues are he tends to get injured and his arm isn't that great....

Stafford is a better prospect than any of the guys last year and that includes Ryan who I would have drafted without a problem.

Nightfyre 10-06-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 5089698)
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

My team's needs analysis:
QB-10/10-Need Franchise QB
HB-4/10-Need 3rd String, trade LJ
FB-0/10
WR-7/10-Need a legitimate 2nd option
TE-5/10-Need a 2nd string, trade TG
OT-7/10-Need a RT or depth player
OG-6/10-Need a RG and depth player
C-0/10

DE-9/10-Need Starting RDE
DT-5/10-Need depth
OLB-6/10-Need depth
MLB-9/10-Need starter
CB-4/10-Need depth
S-0/10

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 5089698)
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

The biggest of which is QB, without a QB you become the Vikings.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5089759)
My team's needs analysis:
QB-10/10-Need Franchise QB
HB-4/10-Need 3rd String, trade LJ
FB-0/10
WR-7/10-Need a legitimate 2nd option
TE-5/10-Need a 2nd string, trade TG
OT-7/10-Need a RT or depth player
OG-6/10-Need a RG and depth player
C-0/10

DE-9/10-Need Starting RDE
DT-5/10-Need depth
OLB-6/10-Need depth
MLB-9/10-Need starter
CB-4/10-Need depth
S-0/10

Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089758)
Woodson's throwing motion killed him, people think/thought he'd throw tons of INT's because of how slow the ball came out.

Brohm's issues are he tends to get injured and his arm isn't that great....

Stafford is a better prospect than any of the guys last year and that includes Ryan who I would have drafted without a problem.

:rolleyes:

Woodson's throwing motion was the same in October as it was in April. Nothing changed.

Everyone knew that Brohm was injury prone in October, just like they did in April. Nothing changed.

Sorry, you have to do better than this.

TrickyNicky 10-06-2008 08:26 PM

If Taylor Mays comes out, is he the top safety?

Nightfyre 10-06-2008 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089767)
Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

I think that the problem lies within the coaching for our safeties.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5089770)
:rolleyes:

Woodson's throwing motion was the same in October as it was in April. Nothing changed.

Everyone knew that Brohm was injury prone in October, just like they did in April. Nothing changed.

Sorry, you have to do better than this.

Are you just upset that Croyle blows?

I knew your post would somehow infer that we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 5089773)
If Taylor Mays comes out, is he the top safety?

Most likely because of his athletic measurables.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089767)
Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

What?

I thought Morgan was the best prospect known to man?

Safety is pretty ****ing low on the priority scale with all the holes we have, IMO.

On this team, EVERY position could be improved.

With the exception of punter...

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5089779)
What?

I thought Morgan was the best prospect known to man?

Safety is pretty ****ing low on the priority scale with all the holes we have, IMO.

On this team, EVERY position could be improved.

With the exception of punter...

Morgan has played about 5 minutes....that doesn't change that I still don't like Pollard or Page.

ILChief 10-06-2008 08:30 PM

That would be our luck to lose that many games only to have Stafford go in front of us. If that bastard of a scenario happened, I'd take Oher at 3 and I guess draft Cullen Harper with our second round pick.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 5089789)
That would be our luck to lose that many games only to have Stafford go in front of us. If that bastard of a scenario happened, I'd take Oher at 3 and I guess draft Cullen Harper with our second round pick.

Harpers team is massively underachieving, he may have the Brohm thing happen to him.

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089776)
we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

I must have missed this. Given our current situation, why would any Chiefs fan hold this position?

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5089797)
I must have missed this. Given our current situation, why would any Chiefs fan hold this position?

Dude it's coming, it'll become more pronounced as the draft approaches there is a faction of posters which OTW is a part of that think drafting a QB with the top pick unless he's Manning or Elway reincarnated in other words a perfect prospect they aren't worth it and will "cripple your franchise"

Chief Chief 10-06-2008 08:34 PM

If Stafford's already gone, we'll trade down and pick up QB Painter from Lenny's alma mater.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089776)
Are you just upset that Croyle blows?

I knew your post would somehow infer that we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

No, that's not my stance at all, you just choose to blow right over it EVERY ****ing time it comes up.

Your attitude towards taking a QB with a Top 5 pick has become cartoonish.

This time last year, you were up in arms that if we had a chance to take Brohm and we didn't, well, you'd turn in your fan card. Last straw, I believe you said.

Well....we did, and we didn't.

And it turns out that Brohm is so ****ing phenomenal he can't beat out a 7th round pick for a backup job.

It's the same song and dance this year with Stafford.

"He's got all the physical attributes you look for"

"He can make all the throws"

Blah, blah and blah.

Same shit, different guy.

I'm all for taking a QB, provided he's worth the value of that pick at the time.

Forgive me for not genuflecting at the Altar of Stafford 6 months before the draft, when he hasn't looked that impressive to begin with this year.

This team has WAY too many holes to put in stone, six months before the draft, that we MUST take a QB in R1, or else. That's ****ing reeruned.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:37 PM

Apparently you think every person that does anything with the draft is an idiot then, projections change all the time.

It's pretty easy to sit back and say that when you give no opinion of it yourself than trying to project something months in advance.

Without a QB we are building to nothing unless you wanna be the Vikings which isn't my desire.

Hell you didn't even like Ryan, we see how that's workin out eh?

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5089801)
Dude it's coming, it'll become more pronounced as the draft approaches there is a faction of posters which OTW is a part of that think drafting a QB with the top pick unless he's Manning or Elway reincarnated in other words a perfect prospect they aren't worth it and will "cripple your franchise"

Wow, that's about as blatant a lie as you might find here.

There's a HUGE difference in what you just posted, and my ACTUAL position, which is that I don't believe in taking a QB just for the sake of taking one.

I'm not of the opinion you pass up 15 better players to take a QB just because you need one, especially when you're not even sold on the QB you're taking.

Apparently people have already forgotten the Vermeil era, where it was common place to reach badly for players based on need alone.

That worked out well...

ILChief 10-06-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5089804)
No, that's not my stance at all, you just choose to blow right over it EVERY ****ing time it comes up.

Your attitude towards taking a QB with a Top 5 pick has become cartoonish.

This time last year, you were up in arms that if we had a chance to take Brohm and we didn't, well, you'd turn in your fan card. Last straw, I believe you said.

Well....we did, and we didn't.

And it turns out that Brohm is so ****ing phenomenal he can't beat out a 7th round pick for a backup job.

It's the same song and dance this year with Stafford.

"He's got all the physical attributes you look for"

"He can make all the throws"

Blah, blah and blah.

Same shit, different guy.

I'm all for taking a QB, provided he's worth the value of that pick at the time.

Forgive me for not genuflecting at the Altar of Stafford 6 months before the draft, when he hasn't looked that impressive to begin with this year.

This team has WAY too many holes to put in stone, six months before the draft, that we MUST take a QB in R1, or else. That's ****ing reeruned.

Stafford has looked very impressive.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">NAME</td> <td>CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>YDS/A</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Matthew Stafford</td> <td>86</td> <td>144</td> <td>1193</td> <td>59.7</td> <td>8.29</td> <td>7</td> <td>1</td> <td>144.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't know what more you could want from him. 60% completion and a 7-1 TD/INT ratio and a 144 Rating.

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:40 PM

Yea Matt Ryan was a reach of epic proportion right, didn't you try to sell that bag of goods?

Mecca 10-06-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 5089821)
Stafford has looked very impressive.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">NAME</td> <td>CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>YDS/A</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Matthew Stafford</td> <td>86</td> <td>144</td> <td>1193</td> <td>59.7</td> <td>8.29</td> <td>7</td> <td>1</td> <td>144.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't know what more you could want from him. 60% completion and a 7-1 TD/INT ratio and a 144 Rating.

And he has absolute shit WR's to work with and has to routinely make NFL throws.

KCUnited 10-06-2008 08:42 PM

Eh, I could see St. Louis going LT just as much as I could see them going QB. Detroit on the other hand....

ILChief 10-06-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 5089838)
Eh, I could see St. Louis going LT just as much as I could see them going QB. Detroit on the other hand....

I think STL will go LT. They're paying Bulger a ton of $$$$.


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