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Micjones 10-10-2008 02:21 PM

Tony Gonzalez Trade Talks?
 
I just stepped out to lunch and heard a 610 report that the trade talks for Tony Gonzalez are pretty serious. It was said that he could be moved to New York as early as today?

Does anyone have more information about this?
I was only in the car a short time.

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 02:22 PM

that would suck, but good for Tony.

Frazod 10-10-2008 02:22 PM

I hope it's true. Tony deserves better than to end his career playing for these ****ing reeruns. And we could certainly whatever picks we get for him.

Demonpenz 10-10-2008 02:22 PM

that has been the word

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 02:23 PM

Any guess what we would get? A cond 4th?

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:23 PM

I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

penguinz 10-10-2008 02:23 PM

Boal said on 810 this morning that the Eagles called about TG and Carl hung up before hearing an offer.

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 5101786)
Boal said on 810 this morning that the Eagles called about TG and Carl hung up before hearing an offer.

Sounds about right :cuss:

penguinz 10-10-2008 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5101785)
I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

Not much since the ball is not thrown his direction anymore.

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5101785)
I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

can it get much worse?

Brock 10-10-2008 02:24 PM

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 5101788)
Not much since the ball is not thrown his direction anymore.

He's someone the defense has to account for.
And he takes pressure off of Bowe.

With no one to protect Bowe...
Who in the hell will catch passes for this team?

Jamaal Charles?

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:25 PM

I could see it being a possibility...i would want him on the Giants or some good team so he can win one...

He will never see a SB here

Dave Lane 10-10-2008 02:25 PM

NY Giants also called according to Petro

KCrockaholic 10-10-2008 02:25 PM

wow! this is a true mixed feelings situation here...i want Tony to go to a good team that could win the SB with a good QB (Brett Favre)? or Eli? but wow, i would cry to see Tony go

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5101794)
If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

I'm puzzled. As a football move this is dumb.
No way we get good value for him.

A serious contender would have to be willing to give up more than what he's likely worth at this point in his career.

Unless they're doing this out of respect for Tony.

triple 10-10-2008 02:26 PM

If Tony is asking to get out, which is what I'm reading into this, then we should let him go.

Of course we all know how Carl did Trent Green...

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5101791)
can it get much worse?

Without a Hall of Famer there to be a safety net?
ABSOTIVELY POSOLUTELY!!!

teedubya 10-10-2008 02:27 PM

Giants or Jets?

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:27 PM

We should get atleast a 2nd rounder, the guy can still play, he has no QB to get him teh ball. His skills haven't diminished that bad

KCrockaholic 10-10-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triple (Post 5101808)
If Tony is asking to get out, which is what I'm reading into this, then we should let him go.

Of course we all know how Carl did Trent Green...


Carl better not F with Tony like he did Trent...that would be crossing the line

Brock 10-10-2008 02:27 PM

Whatever slim chance Brodie Croyle has of becoming a real NFL QB would leave town with Gonzalez.

RustShack 10-10-2008 02:28 PM

Say it ain't so!!!

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5101810)
Giants or Jets?

I think the Giants have called

gblowfish 10-10-2008 02:29 PM

Carl won't trade him until they have the yard receiving ceremony for him.
Then he'll trade him.

beach tribe 10-10-2008 02:29 PM

I want Tony to be here when we turn it around. I think he could be a high caliber TE for another 4-5 yrs.

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 5101819)
Carl won't trade him until they have the yard receiving ceremony for him.
Then he'll trade him.

right, I bet herm will be up there congratulating him too

triple 10-10-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5101813)
Carl better not F with Tony like he did Trent...that would be crossing the line

Carl doesn't give a damn about Tony Gonzalez anymore than he does about Trent Green. He cares about his (megalomanicial interpretation of his) reputation as one tough SOB negotiator, and trying to keep his job.

Long Duk Dong 10-10-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5101810)
Giants or Jets?

Ya...

chiefs1111 10-10-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5101817)
I think the Giants have called

Thats what im thinking. I don't see how the Jets could have any cap room left,lol

PastorMikH 10-10-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5101794)
If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.



Exactly!


The last thing I think this team needs is to let our best and most dependable player go in the midst of this "Rebuild".

Deberg_1990 10-10-2008 02:31 PM

Giants are a serious super bowl contender. Great for Tony if it works out. He deserves better than these a**clowns.

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:31 PM

Eli to Gonzo would be insane

Demonpenz 10-10-2008 02:33 PM

i likey that double tight set with LJ smith and TG

shitgoose 10-10-2008 02:35 PM

Give this guy a chance to win. Send him to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard and a draft pick.

talastan 10-10-2008 02:37 PM

If is isn't a first rounder we better not go through with it. Your trading one of only three legitimate weapons this offense has. And arguably the most reliable reciever KC has had since Otis Taylor. Of course even with a first rounder from the Giants you're looking at probably a late first round pick. I would say we would want something else. Maybe a fourth? What do you guys think.

Mr. Arrowhead 10-10-2008 02:37 PM

Im sure if we do trade him, it will be performanced based on what we get from them

RustShack 10-10-2008 02:38 PM

Trade him to the Lions for Roy Williams!

RustShack 10-10-2008 02:39 PM

Or maybe we could get a DE from the Giants?

The Franchise 10-10-2008 02:39 PM

If Carl makes this move then it just reeks of him knowing that he's gone....and he's just trying to **** this team over on the way out.

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:42 PM

If we get a higher pick how does this **** us over? we can't even get him the ball, period

The Franchise 10-10-2008 02:43 PM

If you trade Gonzo....you might as well eat the cap hit and trade LJ right now as well.

smittysbar 10-10-2008 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5101841)
If is isn't a first rounder we better not go through with it. Your trading one of only three legitimate weapons this offense has. And arguably the most reliable reciever KC has had since Otis Taylor. Of course even with a first rounder from the Giants you're looking at probably a late first round pick. I would say we would want something else. Maybe a fourth? What do you guys think.

heh, I think there is no way in hell a team gives up a 1st for him

Mr. Arrowhead 10-10-2008 02:44 PM

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5101810)
Giants or Jets?

Giants.

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5101847)
Trade him to the Lions for Roy Williams!

I'd go for that.

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5101860)
If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

Id be shocked if we get a 2nd for him

Demonpenz 10-10-2008 02:47 PM

I would take a second pick for him. We just got TE in cottom. Give him first string (hah first string...) reps f it lets blow it all up

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:47 PM

LOL, why would the lions want Gonzo, they are about as far as we are to contending

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:48 PM

I hope we try to draft Coffman next year if he goes

Brock 10-10-2008 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5101860)
If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

**** doing him a favor.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 02:49 PM

You know, Carl is a reerun, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101873)
You know, Carl is a reerun, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

I'd have to agree.
It's just not a smart football move.
This would have to be something they were doing for Tony.

The Franchise 10-10-2008 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101873)
You know, Carl is a reerun, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

Carl already has two nails in his cross. What's the harm in adding another?

DeezNutz 10-10-2008 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5101856)
If we get a higher pick how does this **** us over? we can't even get him the ball, period

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5101860)
If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

I agree with these posts (except the favor part). As much as I enjoy watching Gonzo, he's not a part of this team's future.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5101876)
I'd have to agree.
It's just not a smart football move.
This would have to be something they were doing for Tony.

No, it's not a smart football move.

But if it DOES happen, I'm not going to barbecue Carl over it.

JMO.

Iowanian 10-10-2008 02:52 PM

I'd hate to see him go, but he broke every record as a Chief. He deserves a chance to be with a winner, and the Chiefs need more help than 1 TE.

LJ needs to be moved because he won't be worth a fuG by the time the chiefs can compete, and he's a turd.

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 02:53 PM

I'll be pissed if we get a 5th rounder or some bs

DeezNutz 10-10-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101884)
No, it's not a smart football move.

Considering this team's level of suck, what's your rationale for this claim?

RustShack 10-10-2008 02:54 PM

I wish a team would give up their late 1st round pick for him... since we would be trading him to a contender... It will be hard when it happens... :(

The Franchise 10-10-2008 02:54 PM

My thoughts is that if we do trade him to the Giants....is that we'll get a conditional 4th for him.

The Franchise 10-10-2008 02:54 PM

Worst case scenario.....he gets traded to the Patriots and I have to hate Tony G.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5101888)
I'll be pissed if we get a 5th rounder or some bs

That won't happen, IMO.

Tony knows the business side of things well enough to know Carl can't take a lowball offer just because he requested a trade.

Micjones 10-10-2008 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101884)
No, it's not a smart football move.

But if it DOES happen, I'm not going to barbecue Carl over it.

JMO.

I'd be a little upset about it.
Because I don't think you can do Tony a favor at the expense of the team.
If we had identified a valuable #2 guy I think this decision would be easier.

As a GM though I don't think you can go around doing favors for players (even players who've contributed 1 heart and 1 soul to this franchise as Gonzalez has) when it hurts the team.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5101891)
Considering this team's level of suck, what's your rationale for this claim?

Because we have no chance of getting anywhere near his value.

If some team was actually willing to give up a 1st or 2nd (dream on) then it would be a great move for both Tony and the team, IMO.

At his age, he probably brings, at best a conditional 3rd round pick.

ceebz 10-10-2008 03:00 PM

You can't trade Gonzo for anything less than a first. He's worth much more to this team than just his play on the field, he's been the damn face of the franchise for a decade.

The PR hit alone, is worth a 1st rounder.

DeezNutz 10-10-2008 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101903)
Because we have no chance of getting anywhere near his value.

And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

Sure-Oz 10-10-2008 03:02 PM

I think they could push a 2nd rounder out of a team that wants added punch towards the playoffs and possible SB

Micjones 10-10-2008 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5101908)
And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

I'd hold out for the #1 or the #2.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5101908)
And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

I could care less about the PR hit. If people don't like it, don't ****ing watch the team. Simple as that.

But considering the team's he'd likely be dealt to, that 3rd round pick is almost a 4th - they'll be picking in the last quarter of the round.

ceebz 10-10-2008 03:08 PM

According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...-be-a-bad-idea

The Franchise 10-10-2008 03:09 PM

What about the Giant's 2nd and 5th that they got in the Shockey trade from the Saints? It's basically Tony Gonzales for Jeremy Shockey straight up.

Brock 10-10-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5101908)
And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

He's worth a lot more to the Chiefs than he is to anybody else. They're basically saying Gonzalez=Shockey, which is a goddamn joke.

OnTheWarpath15 10-10-2008 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceebz (Post 5101919)
According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...-be-a-bad-idea

At least Glazer is honest about it...

So as we approach another trade deadline that will likely come and go without so much as a peep, I've decided to spice things up a bit with my own personal view of activity I'd love to see come to fruition. None of them have much of a chance of happening and a few are definitely coming out of left field, but that's what makes my little trade fantasy list fun.

Direckshun 10-10-2008 03:12 PM

I would put his value at a 3rd and a 6th.

MIAdragon 10-10-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceebz (Post 5101919)
According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...-be-a-bad-idea

Id be stoked if it went down like that.

Demonpenz 10-10-2008 03:13 PM

gonzo is worth alot more on a good team where he can stretch the field with our offense we mine as well not have anyone running routes

DeezNutz 10-10-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5101917)
I could care less about the PR hit. If people don't like it, don't ****ing watch the team. Simple as that.

But considering the team's he'd likely be dealt to, that 3rd round pick is almost a 4th - they'll be picking in the last quarter of the round.

Good point about being late in the round.

But with these types of situations, fans should ask themselves, "What do the best teams do?" Most don't keep old players and they try to get something in return. Why wouldn't we want the Chiefs to do the same?

If the offer is shit, move on. But a legit. offer, like if the idiot on the Net is right about a 2nd and 5th, should have been accepted yesterday.

ceebz 10-10-2008 03:15 PM

I still hold out for a first though. You're trading the face of your franchise, and this move makes the Giants the unquestionable favorite in a brutal NFC.

Since when is a trip to the Super Bowl not worth a 1st round pick?

Direckshun 10-10-2008 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5101935)
Id be stoked if it went down like that.

I'd be more stoked for Gonzalez, more than anything.


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