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BWillie 10-13-2008 02:50 PM

Big 12 has 9 of the top 15 quarterbacks in the Nation
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortab...=2008&group=80

The Big 12 has nine of the top 15 quarterbacks in the nation in terms of passing efficiency. That is just sick. What a bad time to be a Big 12 defensive back.

2. Sam Bradford - Oklahoma
3. Zac Robinson - Oklahoma State
4. Colt McCoy - Texas
5. Chase Daniel - Missouri
8. Graham Harrell - Texas Tech
10. Josh Freeman - Kansas State
12. Todd Reesing - Kansas
14. Robert Griffin - Baylor
15. Joe Ganz - Nebraska
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32. Jerrod Johnson - Texas A&M
56. Austin Arnaud - Iowa State
79. Cody Hawkins - Colorado

bobbything 10-13-2008 02:57 PM

Cody Hawkins is terrible. Awful. 79th my ass.

BWillie 10-13-2008 02:58 PM

I don't even know who Robert Griffin is. I though Baylor had intramural football. They seem to be scoring points this year though.

If Todd Reesing is the 7th best quarterback in your conference that is simply amazing.

bobbything 10-13-2008 03:00 PM

I'm really surprised Freeman is listed that high.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5112129)
I don't even know who Robert Griffin is. I though Baylor had intramural football. They seem to be scoring points this year though.

If Todd Reesing is the 7th best quarterback in your conference that is simply amazing.

I've heard the baylor QB is going to be a stud

mikeyis4dcats. 10-13-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112134)
I'm really surprised Freeman is listed that high.

why? he has the numbers....

bobbything 10-13-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 5112162)
why? he has the numbers....

So do several other QB's ranked below him. Including last year's Heisman trophy winner.

Basileus777 10-13-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112177)
So do several other QB's ranked below him. Including last year's Heisman trophy winner.

They're ranked by passing efficiency for this season. It's not a subjective ranking.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-13-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112177)
So do several other QB's ranked below him. Including last year's Heisman trophy winner.

they are ranked according to their QB ratings....

okcchief 10-13-2008 03:15 PM

That's amazing.

The top three QB's are from the State of Oklahoma. They have a record of 17-1 with OU being the one loss LOL.

ChiTown 10-13-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112177)
So do several other QB's ranked below him. Including last year's Heisman trophy winner.

:spock:

bobbything 10-13-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5112183)
They're ranked by passing efficiency for this season. It's not a subjective ranking.

I see.

A subjective review would be more interesting. Incorporating wins, losses, come-from-behind victories and the such...

mikeyis4dcats. 10-13-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112216)
I see.

A subjective review would be more interesting. Incorporating wins, losses, come-from-behind victories and the such...

I suppose your opinion of this is skewed by the fact your QB is rated lower and you of course think he's better than the others?

bobbything 10-13-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 5112230)
I suppose your opinion of this is skewed by the fact your QB is rated lower and you of course think he's better than the others?

No, not really. I just don't think Freeman that good.

KevB 10-13-2008 03:52 PM

This doesn't even account for the fact that many of these guys are threats to hurt you running it also. Robinson, McCoy, Daniel, Reesing, Freeman and Griffin can all take off and run the ball.

KevB 10-13-2008 03:56 PM

Not to mention, A&M's QB put up 450+ yards of total offense against KSU this week, so I know he has to be in that top 10 somewhere. ;)

RustShack 10-13-2008 03:57 PM

Just give Arnaud another year or two.. ISU is a young team showing flashes!

BWillie 10-13-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 5112308)
Not to mention, A&M's QB put up 450+ yards of total offense against KSU this week, so I know he has to be in that top 10 somewhere. ;)

Yeah, you are right. I forgot the A&M QB.

32. Jerrod Johnson - Texas A&M. 11 TD's, 4 INT for 1089 yards.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-13-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112239)
No, not really. I just don't think Freeman that good.

based on what?


2008 season, 6 games

111 completions on 169 attempts (65.7%)
12 touchdowns and 2 interceptions
1,509 yards (251.5 per game)
8.93 yards per attempt
13.59 yards per completion

47 carries for 221 yards (net of sack yardage lost)
12 touchdowns
4.70 yards per attempt


He is #2 in the nation in all positions in scoring.

kstater 10-13-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5112216)
I see.

A subjective review would be more interesting. Incorporating wins, losses, come-from-behind victories and the such...

A (not so) quick run of the numbers yielded these results. I did it all by hand, so hopefully my math is good.

I assigned points to the following categories with regards to the Big 12 QB's COMPARED to each other in the conference: Come from behind victories, wins/losses, passing yards, interceptions, and completion percentage.

If a QB was a 1 in conference he got 12 points and so on down to one.

If there was a tie, both(or more) were added up and averaged.

I'm going to post the school name instead of the QB.

1. Texas
2. KU
3. MU
4(tie). TTU
4.(tie). OSU
6. OU
7. KSU
8. Baylor
9. Nebraska
10.ISU
11.TAMU
12.Colorado


When I looked at the numbers again, I figured that the come from behind victory category gave a substantial bump to 4 QB's. There have been only 4 comeback victories this year for Big 12 schools(I classified coming back as being down by any margin at anytime in the second half). Thus it gave 4 QB's an extra six points compared to the other 8. When the total of the leader Texas' QB was only 50 points, that's a large bump for a relatively benign stat. Taking out that category, the results changed slightly.

1. Texas
2. Mizzou
3. KU
4. TTU
5. OSU
6. OU
7. KSU
8. Baylor
9. Nebraska
10. ISU
11. TAMU
12. Colorado

BWillie 10-13-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 5112353)
based on what?


2008 season, 6 games

111 completions on 169 attempts (65.7%)
12 touchdowns and 2 interceptions
1,509 yards (251.5 per game)
8.93 yards per attempt
13.59 yards per completion

47 carries for 221 yards (net of sack yardage lost)
12 touchdowns
4.70 yards per attempt


He is #2 in the nation in all positions in scoring.

I think if Freeman comes out this year he would be a Top 10 pick potentially depending on how he performs in the combine. His team sucks, and he's looking like a Stallion right now.

Saulbadguy 10-13-2008 04:48 PM

Freeman is a good QB on a bad team. His only fault IMO is he makes very bad throws when he is running.

kstater 10-13-2008 05:21 PM

:cuss: I spent a lot of time on that breakdown, I better get at least one good fight out of the KU/MU people.

ArrowheadHawk 10-13-2008 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5112470)
:cuss: I spent a lot of time on that breakdown, I better get at least one good fight out of the KU/MU people.

What's there to fight about. Looks good to me.

SAUTO 10-13-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5112470)
:cuss: I spent a lot of time on that breakdown, I better get at least one good fight out of the KU/MU people.

and you did a good job.

MahiMike 10-13-2008 05:52 PM

Colt McCoy? He's not a top 10 in my book. Chase Daniels is the only QB I'd feel ok in drafting. Especially if he brings his coaches.

LiL stumppy 10-13-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5112524)
Colt McCoy? He's not a top 10 in my book. Chase Daniels is the only QB I'd feel ok in drafting. Especially if he brings his coaches.

Wow :rolleyes: Let me guess, you like Mizzou?

mikeyis4dcats. 10-13-2008 06:16 PM

I'll say it....I don't think Reesing or Daniels have pro talent.

I think Bradford and Freeman could have starter potential. I think McCoy will end up a backup.

BWillie 10-13-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5112524)
Colt McCoy? He's not a top 10 in my book. Chase Daniels is the only QB I'd feel ok in drafting. Especially if he brings his coaches.

Haha, are you kidding me? A midget with average arm strength? I don't know how his game translates to the NFL very well

teedubya 10-13-2008 06:45 PM

The Chiefs are gonna draft Bradford... and all the MUrons will be sad.

Skip Towne 10-13-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 5112647)
Haha, are you kidding me? A midget with average arm strength? I don't know how his game translates to the NFL very well

I've only seen Daniel play a couple of times but he fell apart under OSU's pressure.

KcMizzou 10-13-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5112680)
I've only seen Daniel play a couple of times but he fell apart under OSU's pressure.

Yeah, he certainly did. Worst game I've seen him play in a long, long time.

teedubya 10-13-2008 07:02 PM

Think Daniel will wear #25 ever again?

kstater 10-13-2008 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5112708)
Think Daniel will wear #25 ever again?

No, because clearly the reason he played badly was the jersey number.

KcMizzou 10-13-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5112660)
The Chiefs are gonna draft Bradford... and all the MUrons will be sad.

Not really. I don't know if Bradford would be my first choice. But he'll probably be a better NFL QB than Chase. It's a whole different game...

Saulbadguy 10-13-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5112712)
Not really. I don't know if Bradford would be my first choice. But he'll probably be a better NFL QB than Chase. It's a whole different game...

Why even bother responding?

KcMizzou 10-13-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 5112724)
Why even bother responding?

Good advice.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 07:11 PM

I'd rather have Stafford over Bradford...
Chase isn't a realistic NFL option, just like Todd Reesing

kstater 10-13-2008 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5112733)
I'd rather have Stafford over Bradford...
Chase isn't a realistic NFL option, just like Todd Reesing

Can you get rid of the Avatar? Between that and the "S" name, I keep thinking you're Sam Hall.

KcMizzou 10-13-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5112751)
Can you get rid of the Avatar? Between that and the "S" name, I keep thinking you're Sam Hall.

Heh, I do that too.

Sure-Oz > Sam Hall.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5112751)
Can you get rid of the Avatar? Between that and the "S" name, I keep thinking you're Sam Hall.

ROFL

This avy rules and i believe Sammy has scarlett johansen as his avy now.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5112756)
Heh, I do that too.

Sure-Oz > Sam Hall.

HAHA...

I've gotten compliments for this avy, it's too bad Sam had a similiar one as well, but it's gone now thank goodness. I've had the whole Joker avy for awhile

KcMizzou 10-13-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5112757)
ROFL

This avy rules and i believe Sammy has scarlett johansen as his avy now.

At least we'll have something to look at while he's bleeding all over the board.

Frazod 10-13-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5112760)
HAHA...

I've gotten compliments for this avy, it's too bad Sam had a similiar one as well, but it's gone now thank goodness. I've had the whole Joker avy for awhile

The good news is that Johnny Cash is no longer spinning in his grave.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5112772)
The good news is that Johnny Cash is no longer spinning in his grave.

So true...i forgot that was his Avy.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-14-2008 10:51 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...&DB_OEM_ID=400


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