So are you willing to give Herm and Carl a "Do over" ?
 

Just curious....

Maybe if the Chiefs had drafted a decent QB like Ryan, things might be different.

Look at how quickly Atlanta and Miami have turned things around.

Can Herm and Carl learn from their mistakes?? Would you be down with that, or reject it?

Hell no

**** THAT

The best I can offer is a run over.

So are you willing to give Herm and Carl a "Do over" ?
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Can Herm and Carl learn from their mistakes??

NO.

Herm should've never been hired. Carl should've been fired 12 years ago.

do-over some where else(den oak sd no ne dal)hell ****ing yeah

You're assuming Carl and Herm know what the **** they are doing! /fail

You know what the outcome of this thread was going to be as soon as you thought to make one. lol

Sure, because all of the evidence suggests that they're going to wake up from their perpetual slumber and become amazing at what they do.

While past results may not guarantee future performance I think with these goons we all know better.

Every dog has its day.

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?

NO!

After three years, I would expect the front office to use their draft picks on second and third tier players. And they're not

Please don't get mad -- Honestly, I would love to see the Chiefs back on top winning games -- you're all such great fans

Where the **** are these stupid ass posts coming from!? JFC.

Good god, no. Carl must go and all of his front office cronies with him. The new GM can make the correct call regarding Herm and the coaching staff (which anyone can see is to kick him to the curb).

Are you making a run at the "Dumb question of the year : 2008" award?

can someone please start a game thread for me? the giants are imploding lol

To the question, an emphatic no.

But as to drafting a good QB, I wish Ryan continued success. Perhaps his performance will help convince whoever is in charge of next year's draft that you have to take a potential franchise QB when presented with the opportunity. Doesn't mean it will work out but it's a chance you have to take.

Is that a for reals question?

Carl and Herm, please bend over.

No ****ign way...

these two clowns are the biggest jokes in football..

Whomever supported Herm should be ****ed with a hot iron rod!

Wait....what?

A second chance?

WE'RE IN YEAR 20 OF THE 5 YEAR PLAN!

I'd say year 12, 13, 14, et al. constituted any number of second chances.

!@#$ this front office. Get them the hell out of here.

I believe we drafted a 'decent' quarterback... a Matt Ryan doesn't come along every draft. He'd be decent-er if he (well, was on the field) didn't have a HC that played scared, had an original gameplan every once in a while, had a decent offensive line, had any sort of running game, had better receivers...

Seeing what Miami has done makes me want to get started cleaning this crap up ASAP. Tonight, if possible.

Not only no, but **** no!

Carl's do overs are.... have all been done over too many times. from year 10 on.

Herm needs to be given an ultimatem from Clark.... he can't be watching this a be happy
come 12/29/2008..... we will see if he has any Kahonies. ....

Yeah, it's time for a clean sweep. (And an front office with a clean slate.) If Clark has half a brain in his head, he'll pull the trigger. As for who should replace them... I don't really know. I just know they damned sure can't be worse.

**** NO

I think Herm's system is destined to fail no matter how many chances he gets. He has yet to show that he can take a program to the next level. He took over a team in New York that was two years removed from getting to the conference championship and did well for awhile. He never won more than 10 games in a season. He never got further than the divisional round of the playoffs. He left them in total chaos. They were happy to trade him away. Its only a miracle he wasn't fired before KC expressed an interest.

He took over in KC and got to the playoffs despite the team not having as many wins as the year before. He took the team and pounded it into a lump of clay but forgot to form it into anything.

I have to laugh at anyone who compares him to Tony Dungy. Tony at least won in Tampa, just couldn't win the big one. Tony Dungy...more like Tony Danza.

Good point. Does Carl deserve a 21st chance next year? How about a 21st chance? Because maybe he's been learning a little bit every year, and the 21st year is the year that it all comes together.

That dog has had 20 years of his day.

No, get them the **** out.

How about a work over with a 2x4 and a bag of ball bearings?

FAX

ROFL at "how quickly Atlanta and Miami have turned things around."

**** NO

Carl said that there weren't any franchise QB's in this draft. So there.

Oh wait. . :banghead:

What?!! A DO OVER?!!

I WILL BURN THIS MOTHER****ER DOWN. COME ON POOOKIE, LETS BURN THIS MOTHER****ER DOWN. BURN IT ALL DOWN

How do you give Carl a do over? We need to give him 20 more years to try and make the Super Bowl? LMAO

Me too, Keg. Me too.

Was there a Super Bowl yesterday, and I missed it?

If Herm had Joe Montana in his prime he wouldn't let him throw the ball. Carl Peterson did OK in his time, but his time is up.

No "do over" is warranted nor desired.

Only if they can coax Elvis Grbac out of retirement to be his mentor and the starting QB for the Chiefs until their QBOTF is ready.

You guys want to be Miami? You mean sign a ton of free agents and trade for 30 year old quarterback. Wow.

They do have more wins than we do.

Yeah... that's what it's all about. Wins this season.

How exactly were we supposed to pick Ryan when he was selected 2 spots before us?

And for those of you who say, "we should have traded up," do you even know what that would have cost?

I do.

900 points in value to move from the 5th pick to the 2nd.

So, we would have had to give up our 1st, 2nd and TWO of our three 3rd round picks.

All for a guy 90% of this board would be bitching about because he wouldn't have the time to throw, the strong running game or receivers to benefit him that he has in Atlanta.

Carl has ran out of Mulligans

Miami and Atlanta have zero input in my answer, they are irrelevant to our situation. Hell ****ing no. Carl has had his time, no more comment is needed where he is concerned. Herm coaches a B.S. chicken sh*t game. Even with what we have as team at this point, which I think we have more talent than last years team, the end product is even worse. You put that on the coaching staff. I never expected playoffs this season. Really not even 4+ wins, but the way the direction of this team is going is way below bad. This team plays worse than a bad NFL team. It would also be nice if Clark H. would step up and at least make a statement that what he has seen is unacceptable and start to put some a little heat on this joke of a coaching staff and front office.

Who said we should have traded up to get Ryan?

Partly a pre-emptive strike, but do you not read this board?

I don't have the time, nor the desire to use our archaic search function to find posts to answer your question.

I know Mecca has mentioned it, then again, he's still wondering why we didn't pick Cromartie...

There are plenty, trust me - or don't.

**** NO! Those fools thought they had something in Brodie Croyle - ROFL
They also thought they had a right side of an OL and a #2 WR. They're so bad that thier HOF player wants out. They could NOT have blown this deal any worse than they have. They need to be fired now.

I bet anything Clark gives then a "do-over" .

Wasn't Cromartie picked just ahead of where KC picked?

ROFL

Ok, I misunderstood and thought it was partly directed at my comment or the OP.

The only point of my post was just to show how piss poor Peterson continues to be at talent evaluation.

My point exactly.

I do not see how he gets to finish the season much less come back next year:cuss:

I will pretty much say we should have moved for Cromartie he was 1 pick ahead when we were picking like 18th that isn't anything to move...

The Ryan argument has more to do with everyone who absolutely did not want him and said he was elevated do to a bad class. Or said he was no better a prospect than Croyle..that's more a comment on peoples lack of an ability to judge a QB than it is saying we should have traded.

Going into that draft there were a ton of people that wouldn't have wanted Ryan if he was on the board or not...that is the point.

**** those clowns. No do-over. GET OUT

Yea pretty much.

I will stick by my thread that we should have drafted Rodgers over DJ in 05. No doubt about it.

Wouldn't matter. Even if the Chiefs did get Ryan, he wouldn't get any playing time at all, and if he did, he'd be already ruined by this shitty-assed coaching staff.

I guess every player we drafted this past year is going to be a complete bust then.

So we should just forfeit the draft when we have a bad administation?

Too bad we ruined guys like Neil Smith and Okoye because they played under Ganz.

Exactly.

Except for the secondary. Seems like the secondary players have improved, regardless of who they are. Other than that, everybody else has either shown no progress or regressed.

And that's another problem Carl said that, Herm said that, and well a good majority of this board said that.

Ganz never coached them up. They didn't reach their full potentional until Marty.

**** NO!!!!

Oh, please yes.

Carl's had 20 years to "Do Over" his time is up.

Herm has taken his second team down faster than he did his first team. I'd be willing to give Herm a "Do Over". He can have Denver for his "Do Over".

Disagree. Herm needs to go, period.

No if, and, or but.

He needs to be gone.

Thats exactly my point. Just because you have bad management running the show, doesnt mean you stop stockpiling talent in fear they might get ruined.

A good majority of this board was swinging from Herms nutsack after he took DV's to the playoffs...

They were still swinging from the sack until we went on a 9 game losing streak...

I want a coaching staff that can stockpile talent, and also develop them in the process.

I don't want a coaching staff that can't hit for shit (DV's drafting) and ruin the franchise without any young core players.

I don't want a coaching staff that can hit for shit (Herm's drafting) and still run the franchise without properly developing the young players.

Pederson doesn't get a pass because he had one good draft this decade. He has been taking some huge chances with the draft and blowing off most first day picks by going for potential over talent.

There's going to be alot of weird defenses when Ryan is brought up because when we discussed him even acknowledge he'd likely go before us there still a good majority that didn't want him even if he fell so they look kinda stupid right now.

QFT.....

I'm happy to say I was not one of those people (although you are right that there were loads of them).

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no.

Exactly.

And again, RYAN WASN'T AVAILABLE TO US.

Why is that so hard for people to comprehend?

Uhm, either you read fast or I wasn't clear. Herm can have the Denver Broncos as his "Over Do" team to, uhm, do over.

You are completely missing the point.....of course that is a solid deflection because I seem to recall before that draft you were one of the guys not wanting him right...