Chiefs' TE Tony Gonzalez says: Make me a Giant
 

Chiefs' TE Tony Gonzalez says: Make me a Giant

BY RALPH VACCHIANO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Tuesday, October 14th 2008, 4:00 AM
CLEVELAND - Tony Gonzalez wants the Giants, but do the Giants want him?
That question will be answered by 4p.m. Tuesday , when the NFL's trading deadline arrives. Gonzalez, the future Hall of Fame tight end, has requested a trade from the Kansas City Chiefs. And not only has he asked to be traded to a contender, but he specifically mentioned the Giants.
So far, the Giants have only expressed a lukewarm interest, reportedly offering a sixth-round pick. According to various reports, the Chiefs are looking for either a second- or a third-rounder.
Giants GM Jerry Reese declined to confirm or deny those reports, saying only, "We investigate everything. You guys know that."
The Eagles, Bills, Packers and Buccaneers all have been mentioned as possible suitors.
BEATEN MAN: Aaron Ross knows he needs to forget about Monday night quickly. He also knows that won't be easy.
The Giants' second-year corner was on the receiving end of a flurry of knockout punches from Cleveland Browns receiver Braylon Edwards, who torched Ross for 154 yards and a touchdown on five catches in the Browns' 35-14 win. Ross let Edwards slip through his hands for a 49-yard catch in the first quarter, and later was turned around and burned on a 70-yard reception.
The final indignity came in the fourth quarter when Edwards caught an 11-yard touchdown pass after Ross fell the ground with cramps in his calf.
"He's a Pro Bowl player," Ross said. "But I feel like I've got to step it up a little better. Guys are putting their trust in me. I've got to play better next time."
LAME NIGHT: LB Antonio Pierce started Monday night despite not being able to practice all week because of an injured quad. But he immediately aggravated the injury and was pulled for the second series. He later returned, but appeared that the injury was still bothering him.
"I'm 100%," Pierce insisted after the game. "I'm alive. That's all that matters."
S James Butler suffered a biceps injury in the second quarter but later returned. His left arm was heavily wrapped after the game. LB Gerris Wilkinson suffered a knee strain.
KICKED ASIDE: K Lawrence Tynes is healthy and went through his pregame warmup routine again, but the Giants once again went with 44-year-old kicker John Carney. ... WR Sinorice Moss, one week after scoring two touchdowns, was inactive Monday night

well John Clayton was just on Mike and Mike and said that any trade involving Tony is looking unlikely now unless the Eagles step up and make and offer by the deadline

Giants don't wanna give anything. They will have personnel issues sooner than later.

again our mis-mgmt of the drafts are killing us.

A 6th round pick? What a joke!

Mt brain says deal Gonzo for his possibility of winning a SB, but my heart tells me something is terribly, awfully wrong at One Arrowhead Drive if we are even thinking about dealing one of the top 5 Chiefs players of all time. Yes, I'd put him up there with Lenny and Willie Lanier.

This franchise has fallen into hell.

Not enough time left to make anything happen. Tony and LJ are stuck here, just like the rest of us.

I'm surprised Buffalo isn't stepping up. They have a nice window to win the east this year.

I dont think the Giants really need TG all that much to be honest. Thats why they are lowballing the offer.

did you watch the game last night? Horrible, Tony would have put on his cape and single handedly won the game for the giants. They should pony up....

They should have made these deals during the off season. You don't try to do it less than a week before the trading deadline and expect to get value. Our management is pathetic.

This franchise has lost it's burst.

I hope the deal gets done.

Wish it was as easy to trade me to a decent team, but I've tried, and other than lukewarm interest in the Bears it just doesn't work. I'm stuck with these assholes.

I don't see why the Giants wouldn't be willing to part with more. As competitive as the NFC east is. He would make a huge difference in their red zone offense. I think there's a good chance they know what a hardass Carl Peterson is and are playing tough up until the 11th hour. I think Tony would thrive in the Giants offense.

This has nothing to do with the Chiefs or Carl Peterson.

Until he asked for it, it would have been ridiculous to consider trading MeMe Gonzalez. He was the one that waited till very late to request a deal.

If he can't be dealt for a pick worth having, then he can play out that contract he happily signed.

Exactly, and I'm wondering why people don't realize this.

They HAD a top-tier TE, and TRADED him.

If they felt that a top TE was essential to winning, they would have kept him.

And considering they won the SB last year without one, I'd say they were correct in their decision making.

They traded him 'cause they liked what they saw in Kevin Boss his rookie season. He hasn't lived up to their expectations thus far this season, and they probably feel he needs another season or two.

That had more to do with Shockey being a malcontent and a distraction to the team. Shockey isn't even close to being on the same level as TG so calling him a top-tier TE is a reach.

So, you think the Giants are going to give up draft picks for TG just because Boss isn't having a great year?

People in this city completely overvalue the TE position...

It's not that the TE position is being overvalued it's that the Giants are in the most competitive division in football. They have the luxory of a very explosive offense and TG could add another dimension that could possibly put them over the top.

I didn't say anything about the Giants trading for TG. I merely suggested why they got rid of Shockey- and that is they like what they see in Boss.

I agree the Giants could USE him but they don't NEED him at all. The Bills are better off trading for him or the Vikings, Eagles etc.

If they end up with Tony, the eagles and redskins wont. Not saying that they are in the market for them, but....

It depends on the offense. Just because the Giants don't use the TE a lot does not mean that it's not an important position. The Patriots drafted both Ben Watson and Daniel Graham in the 1st round (and David Thomas in the 3rd) and they're not exactly stupid. Bill Parcells has talked extensively about the importance of a good tight end.

The real issue is Tony's age, contract, and loss of speed.

They use Watson and whatever TE to block and not catch. Watson would be a solid all around TE if they actually threw to him.

When is the deadline? I know it's today, but what time?

Over the top of what?

They are the DEFENDING SB CHAMPIONS.

A championship they won WITHOUT an elite TE.

The Giants are smart not to give up the ransom they got from the Saints on Gonzalez. You don't trade 2 draft picks on a 32 year old TE that you don't need - and that you may only be renting for the next year and a half.

3:00 central.

3pm CST

That's what I'm trying to say. I would otherwise agree that the TE position isn't as signifigant. But for a division like the NFC east I could see where it could make a difference. An aging TG is still tough to defend in the red zone.

Maybe not 2 draft picks but more than a 6th.

I seriously considered this this morning. The only thing holding me back, other than not knowing who I'd bale for, is my brand new #72 Dorsey jersey. Suicide is also an option.

When trading for a player in the NFL, you have to keep in mind that draft picks are paramount.

Gonzalez may be worth a 2nd and a 5th to the Chiefs, but to the Giants? Maybe a fifth.

Why?

Because the Giants won the Super Bowl last year. TE isn't a premium position. Additionally, Gonzalez has maybe two years left to play (he's already stated as much).

The Giants draft in 2007 produced seven starters and role players, many of those guys contributing to their Super Bowl run and win.

So with that being the case, the 2nd and 5th round picks are MUCH more valuable to the Giants as a franchise (with probably a minimum of 4 years of service from each of those players) than getting two years (maximum) out of Tony Gonzalez.

Can we just offload this sonofabitch, clear his cap number, and get this saga the **** over with?

:clap:

Tony kinda messed up by waiting too long to go public w/this. There's just not enough time to get anything done. I see Tampa as most likely place since they deal the fastest.

He asked Carl to explore trading him 3 weeks ago after the Atlanta game.

It will all be over with in about 3 1/2 hours.

TG and LJ will still be Chiefs.

Trades rarely happen in Oct. in the NFL. Almost never.

I wonder how hard they're really trying. They might just be going through the motions to placate Tony. The rest of this year is primarily about judging Brodie Croyle, and Tony's presence helps to give him a fighting chance.

Adam Schefter
Deal for Gonzalez in the works?
Posted: October 14th, 2008 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Kansas City Chiefs, Tony Gonzalez

Might be nothing, might be something.

But the Kansas City Chiefs have postponed their regular Tuesday news conference to 4 p.m. ET.

Now it could just be they are waiting whether to see if they can trade tight end Tony Gonzalez. Clearly, the team is fielding offers and asking in return for second- and fifth-round picks. It is the price that was paid for tight end Jeremy Shockey and defensive end Jason Taylor, and the Chiefs believe Gonzalez is worth as much as those recently traded stars.

So far, teams are balking. But in the remaining four-plus hours before the trade deadline, no one knows whether the Chiefs or potential trading partner will blink first.

If no one does, the Chiefs can do their news conference later — with Gonzalez still a member of the Chiefs.

I been thinkin' this the whole time. Carl ain't gonna trade Tony for beans and that's all other teams are gonna offer. He's gone through the motions so when Tony isn't traded he can say I tried but there just wasn't enough interest.

PhilFree:arrow:

if they won't pay then don't trade him ...... period



gonzo can search for a trading partner again this offseason


but he has to know that we want market value in return

Here is CNNSi's update:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...t14/index.html

Signs of possible Giants-Chiefs trade
Sinorice Moss caught his first two career touchdowns against the Seahawks last Sunday. And Monday night, he rested. Moss, the Giants' third-year wide receiver, was inactive for the game against the Browns. Rookie Mario Manningham was dressed in Moss' place. It's the third time Moss has been a healthy scratch this year, so what's the big deal? Well, the trading deadline is Tuesday. So did the Giants have a trade worked out for Moss and did they want to make sure he didn't injure himself? Perhaps they had a trade worked out with the Chiefs for tight end Tony Gonzalez? If they did, general manager Jerry Reese wasn't talking. The Giants' interest in Gonzalez appears to be mild at best. It seems they'd be willing to take him at a bargain price (reports are they've offered a sixth-round pick while Kansas City is looking for a first-day pick) but won't make a big push for him. After all, they didn't trade one pass-catching tight end (Jeremy Shockey) only to add another one who isn't as good of a blocker. (Newark Star-Ledger)

reeruned.

Like I said in another thread, I hope TG doenst get traded and starts speaking up against Herm and his gay cronies... Tony G could be the savior of this franchise by causing enough voices and discontent in the lockerroom that Clark is forced to do something before the team just quits on the franchise...

We need TG now more than ever.. He could be a true icon in KC, the only guy strong enough to take down the satanic cult of Carl and Herm...

So Tony started out with better hands than blocking skills, is he ever going to live that down? And are we to truely believe Shockey was a better blocker now too?

Jeremy's only upside was youth, but his biggest down side was attitude. I think this was an unfair comparison, IMO.

You've been flying your plane too close to the sun....

Can you imagine being aboard a plane knowing that cock-crazy son of a bitch is flying it?

Holy crap.

:D Could be.... There is nothing like having your office at 39,000 ft....

Hey CC here is a picture for you... We were at 39,000 and this 737 SWA was at 39,900.....

We were coming back from Vegas...

it's freakin' Newark (stink hole of America) N.J.

I liked it when my office was on a motorcycle....

Is that a reflection of your penis in your hand? You Freak!

LOL, you wish.. :eek:

Actually I almost missed the shot, I took one while he was like 20 miles out, and almost didnt get my camera ready when he went by, I just stuck it up at the top of the window and luckly I got that shot... He was doing mach .80 and we were doing mach .72...... So we were closing at 1000 mph...... So it didnt take long for him to go by.....

Here is the shot right before that one.....

*Also posted in the other Tony trade thread* That is from a NY Giants message board I was just reading. It claims that they're trading us Sinorice Moss and a 5th rounder for Tony. They also claim it makes sense because Moss caught two TD's last week and was inactive this week.

Of course take this with a grain of salt. I find gossip like this interesting and figured some of the rest of you might too.