Whitlock brings the ****ing axe down.
 

You go, BigSexy.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/848654.html

Now what?

The Chiefs lost their fragile and fraudulent quarterback of the future, exposing the irresponsibility of opening the season with a quarterback depth chart Rockhurst High’s Tony Severino would find objectionable.

Now what?

Today, the Chiefs welcome back to their starting lineup the unrepentant malcontent/running back who surely spent Sunday afternoon palling around with friends, laughing at the offense missing Larry Johnson that couldn’t move the chains or threaten the Titans when the outcome was in doubt.

Now what? Where do the Chiefs go from here? How do they define themselves and move forward after Tennessee blanked them for three quarters, embarrassed them for four and routed them 34-10 at Arrowhead Stadium?

There were no answers inside Kansas City’s locker room. There were plenty of stunned, silent looks and quick exits. You can’t blame them. There were few relevant, probing questions to be asked.

All the answers had been provided during three hours on the field.

Coming off a bye week filled with drama, acrimony, Brodie Croyle-inspired optimism and a get-tough deactivation of Johnson, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff bombed in a way that makes their employment here next season indefensible. :clap::clap::clap:

By declining to draft or acquire a quarterback to compete against Brittle Croyle and elevating clock-management specialist Dick “Father Time” Curl to oversee the most important position on any football team, Edwards tethered himself to Croyle.

When Croyle limped off the field with a season-(career)-ending knee injury early in the second quarter, Herm might as well have grabbed a pair of crutches and retired to the locker room with his Arena League QB of the future.

It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era.

What we’ve witnessed this season in general — and the last two weeks in particular — is unacceptable and unprofessional. In its five losses, Kansas City’s opponents outscored Herm’s boys 147-42. The Chiefs’ lone victory — a 33-19 romp over the Broncos — was such an obvious fluke that it revealed nothing about the rebuilding effort.

The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals. The ownership is timid at a time when boldness is required. This is not a call to fire Peterson or Edwards today. It’s a call that Clark Hunt acknowledge that no progress is being made.

After Sunday’s performance, I’ll vouch for the professionalism and skill of one player on the roster. Tony Gonzalez is a winning player. Every other player is a mystery.

Kansas City’s offensive line is so inept that it is difficult for me to discern whether Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is effective. I know that Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh are not players a team can win consistently with in the starting lineup.

Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction.

On Sunday, the Titans had their way with Dorsey. On a key third-and-short play early in the contest, a Titans guard destroyed Dorsey at the point of attack, and a Tennessee running back ran right through where Dorsey was before he was removed the way a bouncer ushers a drunken customer out of Mosaic.

And someone sound an Amber Alert for 2006 first-round pick Tamba Hali, Kansas City’s sackless pass-rush specialist. If Hali has a bad knee, sit him down and un-Velcro him from opposing offensive tackles.

Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

Short of a Sarah Palin/Tina Fey falling in Herm’s lap, the Chiefs seem unsalvageable.

Next season, the Chiefs will draft and/or acquire three quarterbacks. They’ll start from scratch. Would any sane man, woman or child allow Edwards, Father Time and The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl to select KC’s next three quarterbacks? :clap::clap::clap:

Herm’s claim to quarterback fame is that he fell in love with Bill Parcells’ weak-armed thrower, Chad Pennington. Curl’s claim to QB fame is far more impressive. Father Time guided an NFL Europe offense that featured future NFL journeyman Jon Kitna. Curl also was QB coach/offensive coordinator of some unforgettable-but-totally-forgotten 1980s offenses at Virginia, Rutgers and Boston College. As you can see, Curl’s QB resume is as decorated as Bill Walsh’s.

But it is not quite as sparkling as Carl Peterson’s. There is not enough room to list all of the gifted quarterbacks Peterson has identified. Let’s just say it would be negligent not to mention Mike Elkins, Matt “Draft Blunder” Blundin, Pat Barnes and Elvis Grbac.

Given the collective QB brain power at Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs fans have every reason to feel confident that when Edwards, Curl, Peterson and Bill Kuharich heave a dart at a board, it is very likely to land on the NFL’s next great QB.

Now what? I suggest you spend the rest of the season fantasizing about Clark Hunt taking the obvious necessary steps to improve his football franchise.

I love you, Jason. I love you.

This is great and all, but it's tough to smoke out an out-of-town owner. Not saying it can't be done, but it's tough.

"It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era."

Nothing more really needed to be said. What Clark Hunt needs to do now is call Bob Kraft and a few other owners, and plead for some guidance -- such as letting him hire their #2 F.O. guy.

While we're cleaning out the offices at One Arrowhead Drive next year, maybe we'll also clean out the lame media that covers them.

God, that fatass plays you ****ers like a banjo.

He obviously hangs out on these fan sites, reads the currents, and then regurgitates it all back to you so you can wallow in fake validation.

And Gobundle of sticks, the virgin attention-whore pretends to revel in all this to try and win favor with the Great Unwashed.

Maybe so.

Is he wrong?

It's about time. The KC Star up until the past week or so has essentially sat idle while Dictator Carl and Herm dismantled the franchise.

You haven't fooled me, dickbreath...I know just what you are.

LMAO

I love how you go against the grain.

I assure you I love Whitlock. I thoroughly enjoyed this. He just hit an 800-foot home run.

He nailed it.

But we all know this.

How ironic coming from someone who along with the rest of the Wargabage Illustrated rejects... suckeled every drop of sweat to drip off of the Chiefs collective scrotum the past 2 years.

I've had a change of heart. If you had paid attention to anything I've posted or written since the Carolina game you'd realize that.

if only Clark would read this article...smack that punk, wake him up, and set a fire under his arse to stomp a mudhole in Carl

Man Whitlock is really being extreme with Dorsey, the guy is double teamed on almost every play, the LBs aren't playing the gaps

Yay!

Too bad no one at Arrowhead One Drive is listening.

And Clark Hunt is a ****ing pussy who won't change a thing.

**** you, Clark.

I still think the Chiefs Dline is very poorly coached, and some guys aren't in the right spots..But when you're last in the league against the run have given up 2 300 yard rushing games no one in the front 7 can be defended as being good.

This team sucks.

From ownership down to the towel boy.

Anyone that defends any aspect of this so-called "organization" is a dumb****.

As long as the Hunts own the Chiefs, they'll continue to suck.

Period.

I don't think Clark will care till he isn't making money.

This should be considered... Anyone know Clark's email???

Ah. It has come to this.

Where are all the brave souls who cried for ripping it out by the roots? Starting from scratch? Total ground-to-roof rebuild? Now that we're in the throes of total humiliation, have you lost the stomach for what you most desired?

Herm didn't let Jared Allen go or invest heavily in LJ. Herm didn't injure Brodie. There is plenty of blame to go around, and Herm deserves a lot. But we all knew before the first preseason game that we'd be lucky to win 5 games. That wasn't what this season was about. It was a 16 game preseason try-out for the 2009-2010 Chiefs.

The team will have to acquire a QB. Not just any QB, but a can't-miss-franchise QB that will play in KC for a decade. Whitlock makes a strong argument against doing that with the current braintrust at One Arrowhead Drive. But wasn't Jason (and 99% of us) waxing confident about what a great pick Dorsey was? And I was flamed earlier in the season for daring to say Darren McFadden > Dorsey. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

There's no way Mr. Hunt keeps Carl. There's no way you fire Herm after investing so much in his vision and plan. So, regardless of deeply felt indignation, Herm will finish his contract, Carl will choose the QBotF (unless he resigns) and our best hope is that Dick Curl fades out and a real QB coach is acquired to groom _____________________ our 2009 #1 pick (unless the Brady Quinn prospects improve).

Right now, someone needs to call 911 for this pathetic _efense. Two games giving up over 300 yards rushing (and both at home) means this team has nothing, nada, nein to build around when the other team has the ball.

Good to see Dantrell Savage back!

KCJ
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Wow, you finally picked up on that pattern over the last...what is it, 7 years now?

These ****tards could have drafted Neil Smith, Bruce Smith, Warren Sapp and Mean Joe Green in the same class and all four would be packing groceries a year later.

Under this staff we could have a potential pro bowler at each spot and they would still be luck to go .500.

THERE IS NO ONE ON THE CHIEFS WHO KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP TALENT OUTSIDE THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

So you are saying the O-line has talent?

we have a former TE playing LG, a former LG playing LT, a 6'10" guy playing C, a guy named Adrian Jones I've never heard of, and a former 9th string LT playing RT.

We also noticed you only do that on Chiefsplanet. I don't see you speaking up on WPI. You know your rump would be canned.

Wrong. We promoted him to offensive coordinator, and then Herm threw him under the bus. So, NO, nobody on this team knows how to develop talent on the offensive line.

When your a top 5 pick, your expected to have an IMMEDIATE IMPACT.

Hes been disappointing so far.

I might be wrong, but none of the players picked 5 or 6 spots after him are having too much of an immediate impact?

Dorsey was the correct pick in that spot, but man, it sure sucks knowing we didnt have the SACK to try and trade up to snag Ryan. Story of this franchise and Peterson. No balls. Always play everything safe. Always stay mediocre.

Geez, really? Isn't that the point? These assclowns can't be trusted to find that guy. They have failed and should be fired.

It's not just a question of them not being able to find the right QB...even if they somehow defied all expectations and did pick the right one they'd unquestionably **** it up by coaching him poorly and getting him killed behind a poor O line.

I don't know about 5 or 6 spots, but the guy picked seven slots later is having a great year to this point (Ryan Clady).

Uh-oh. Isn't Kitna available? I didn't realize he was Curl's boy..

And this, is priceless:

"Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter."

DT

"...the Chiefs seem unsalvageable."


My sentiments exactly.

There you are.. Herm has been taking a beating around here... Nice to see you stop licking his nutsack long enough to come over and defend his ineptude for awhile...

Actually if you remember, Neil Smith was considered a bust till Marty and his staff came in and coached him to the level he finally became.

Agreed.

True,

But except for the injuries, Albert looks pretty good so far.

As JWhit has mentioned many times, Herms fatal mistake was banking on Brittle Brodie. That was borderline insane.

He only played one year before Marty came on board.

I've watched the team for a decade now and I can count the number of Chiefs d-linemen that have shown any kind of development on one finger.

Krumrie needs to go. Today. Gunther needs to go. Today. The defense is supposed to be the strength of the team, Gun's had 5 years to work on it, and it's regressing to the point where Greg Robinson looks like a viable alternative.

Well he also banked on Huard and Thigpen..

How can one want to rebuild a team when you ignore your two most important positions...

QB and LT, We have lost our Brokie permantely..

There is no excuse for the DL to be playing so poorly. The entire starting DL consists of first day picks.

Even before Jared Allen began to produce guys like Eric Hicks and Holliday would occassionally meet at the QB.

Its these types of diasaterous decsions that cause management and coaches to lose their jobs in other cities.

This shouldnt even be a debate anymore. Clark has ZERO sack. To come out last week and insult the fans by saying Carl and Herm are doing a good job was just wrong.

Guys...you gotta look on the bright side...the stadium was still sold out, and the crowd looked like they were still having fun, even when we were losing 27-3. Frankly, you can't get a better entertainment value in KC than a Chiefs game.

Thats fine. I understand that. People have a right to pay for whatever they want to in life even if its complete crap.

But Clark also should feel a greater responsibility to the fans who pay the bills. Put a much better product on the field instead of settling for mediocrity.

As Jwhit has mentioned a few times, the fans have suffered long enough through thick and thin. Its time for ownership to give a little in return.

:spock: Hmm, I guess I must have dreamed them picking up a LT with thier 2nd first round pick this year.

All the above is true ... We suck at the Oline-Lbakers-Safty-Coaching-Drafting ... Thats a lot too heal .. Hunt has to change the direction of this ship or his team will sink to the bottom and stay there ...

I think Huard wasn't his decision. He was given a pretty decent contract to be the back up. I guess Herm didn't anticipate that Brokie would be broken all the time. He knows now (maybe) that he needs two if not three new QB's.

Job security with the Chiefs is unparalleled. Nowhere else in the world can one be so disasterously awefull and still rest assured they have a job in the morning, next week, hell even a year later. I know less about running a pro football organization than just about anyone alive over the age of twelve. I admit that. And I'm certainly no coach... maybe I could get a job working for the Chiefs. Rack up a few cool million over a decade or so and retire before I'm thirty-five. I certainly don't think I'd be any worse than the powers that be currently. And even if I were... what's the difference?! It's impossible to be fired if you work for this organization. Where do I submit my resume?

Hopefully, this latest blowout will make Herm defenders an endangered species. Anyone who follows the NFL knows what we are witnessing now is not the standard rebuilding through the draft model.

Looking at the stats, not just W-L, but dig deeper, and you will find that the 2007 Chiefs are one of the worst teams in the last ten years. For instance, based on power rankings, we are the worst team since the 2004 SF 49ers, coached by Dennis Erickson. Question: did Dennis Erickson ever get it turned around, and win a SB? **** no. Make the playoffs? Can't remember, but don't think so. Only with bad NFL coaches like Erickson and Herm Edwards can your team be so completely inept. Go back further, and find similarly bad teams (not record-wise, but utterly being dominated teams), and you simply won't find coaches who turned it around. They were fired, and their NFL careers were over.

I just don't think some of you guys on here realize how bad we are. Herm Edwards is not just a bad coach, he is a stunningly bad coach.

[Edit: and just to preempt against the inevitable 1989 Cowboys comparison -- look at the raw stats -- they were nowhere near as bad as this.]

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Typical

I may be missing a point here but Marty is long gone.

That's nonsense.

He was taken third overall in 1988 and missed several games due to a very severe infection (urinary tract, IIRC).

:cuss: it CARL! Now that prick's gonna show up on OUR damn door step!
Just one more reason the Chiefs suck! :cuss:

Yeah, because so many people have been defending him before now.

The point was, he was talented but the 1st coaching staff sucked and couldn't develop him so he didn't show any till Marty came in. It's basically trying to draw a parallel saying maybe these guys are the same, talented but the coaching staff is holding them back.

I think it's telling that you rarely see a 2nd move from any of our lineman. If the Olineman stones their first move they're done.

It's a dwindling number, for sure. Is Zouk still defending Herm?

Zouk and Boris are huddling up for one final Herm defensive stand.

That Chiefzilla guy was defending Herm yesterday.

They will start off in a "Vermeil left the cupboard dry" formation for first down, and then switch to a zone "what do you expect when your starting QB gets injured" for second down and then finally get beat deep on "it's all Carl Peterson's fault."

That's simply a statement of fact, it doesn't have anything to do with defending herm.

I don't even think Vermiel should be brought up at this point it's 4 years later now.

yeah good article but he needs to lay off Glenn, this IS HIS first year. so you cant say bust this early!

What did Gun leave for Vermeil??


DV rebuilt the team in 3 years. He didnt go with the draft and youth, but he did rebuild.


Anyhow, I dont see how anyone could defend Herm at this point. Every move he has made including the draft has been an Epic Fail. Thats no exaggeration. Heck, you could even make an argument DV *GULP* drafted better than Herm.

The Chiefs are a joke. It's really sad.

Vermeil didn't leave much, but what he left was a lot better than what Herm has obtained. DJ is still one of the better defensemen on the team, Jared Allen would be the best DL by far had they not traded him, Kawika Mitchell is a lot better than anyone Herm has brought aboard. CB is the only spot that might be improved and we don't really know yet since teams are content running the ball for 200+ yards per game.

Blaming Vermeil 3 years after the fact is rich. Did Vermeil leave the kitchen any barer than Buffalo or Green Bay? Did he leave it barer than Herm did in New York?

The only question I have from this article with all the negative comments about how the whole program is being run, why isn't Whitlock calling for immediate firings?

Probably because it wouldnt make much difference even though it deserves to happen.

Who knows? It certainly worked out ok for the Rams.

but we dont...and never will

Fringe, I did not support the all-rookies-and-a-few-cheap-FAs approach, but the 2008 Chiefs have only played 6 games. There is no turnaround on the horizon, but things could conceivably get better as adjustments are made and players are shuffled in and out. My heavens, its hard to imagine things getting worse.

There is a temptation to perceive Herm as in over his head, but he's been a part of too many good teams for that. He's elected to gut the Vermiel Chiefs (only after any chance of them competing for the post-season, which they did in 2006) and start all over again. That is what many, many Chiefs fans have been hollering for since Marty resigned.

This team's primary weakness (other than personnel) is a swiss cheese rushing _efense. If the Chiefs were holding opponents to 120 YPG we might be 3-3 now despite all the problems at QB. Unless the hemorraging is stopped, the wheels will not only come off, but the axles as well. And yes, that could mean massive firings/cuts.

Mr. Hunt knew this was coming. As a good business man, you have to give the plan you signed on to a chance to unfold. Herm will not be in serious trouble with the FO unless we win less than 6 games next year.

Absolutely amazing

ROFL

You can't help but laugh...

ROFL

Agreed. Neil Smith wasn't great his first year, nor Mario Williams. The first year is a learning year, and since this great "move toward youth even if they're not the best players" movement, there are few veterans to learn from, which slows down the young players' development anyway.

Neil Smith benefited greatly from DT. And when I say, "greatly", I mean "greatly".

Plus, that flinch move was a beaut.

Until they outlawed it.

FAX

That was the best. Who knows how many close wins we got from him doing that through many, many games.

Fine, I'll bite, I'm in a good mood....

So, we've ripped it out by the roots, started from scratch, and a myriad of other clichés. Let me know when we start building, m-kay?


That's exactly what this team needs, more reason to run up the guard's ass on every other play, 2 yards at a time.

What further proof do you need that this guy has no freakin' clue what he's doing?!?! He had the defensive effort against the Colts in the playoffs a couple of years ago, and his inept gameplan held us to ZERO first downs for the first 40 minutes of the game. He, once again, had the defensive effort against the Colts in Indianapolis several months later, and after Brodie/Brokie/Brittle/Shattered Dreams Croyle lead the Chiefs down for the touchdown, Herm packed it up and then said after the game that he was hoping to win the game on the last play, because "we were in a defensive game".... AGAINST PEYTON FL***ING MANNING!!

Do you think Carolina was bad this year? It's not a one time thing... it's an annual thing with Herm...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=46
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=43

Those are just a couple of examples of incompetence before this year's gem. New OC, yet the gameplan hasn't changed... and it STILL doesn't work. We haven't just lost games, we aren't even competitive in any facet of the game. It's not rebuilding if things aren't improving, it's not rebuilding if nothing changes. His control of the offense is obviously slowing down any possible hope for an improvement on that side of the ball, and we completely suck on his side of the ball... on top of that, he's already lost the players, and we aren't half way through the season.

I get why the Chiefs can't become an impatient franchise... they can't give up on coaches every few years, or else there will never be any stability or consistency... players will be forced to learn a new system every few years, and that's how teams become awful and stay awful.

However, it's beyond impatience. Make Herm a scout for all I care, but get him away from the sidelines, away from the coordinators, and away from the players. He's clueless, and in the words of Ron White, you can't fix stupid.

We're still talking about Herm, right? Adjustments? Does he even gameplan for a specific team? The previous links prove that he doesn't adjust. The philosophy is always the same, and it won't change with talent. And if it's taken him this long to shuffle out players like McIntosh, we're either void of talent and it's not going to help, or Herm's freakin' clueless.

"Don't make it worse" is a bottom-of-the-barrel expectation. So, they said it would get worse before it got better. It did. A lot worse. It's not getting any worse, but it's sure as hell not getting any better.

Prior to the NYJ job, he had never once been responsible for creating or carrying out a gameplan. Before then, he had zero head coaching experience and zero coordinator experience. Being responsible for DBs is a helluva long way from being able to manage both sides of the ball, manage players, the coordinators, clock, and game. Temptation? Where's the proof otherwise?

BearCat, that was perfect....

"The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals."

Actually the Royals got a little respect this last year. I think this was a huge insult to the Royals.

Yes, I think it is that bad.

Whitlock is right. The Chiefs can't rebuild with Carl and Herm, they're just heading towards oblivion in so many ways. Time to shit can all of them the second the season is over. FWIW, I bet Carl and Herm are back next year.

Thanks, it felt good. :D

I just don't get how people can say the fans need to be more patient. Herm not only doesn't show the capability of changing, he's not even aware that he needs to change. Can you imagine being so bad at your job, not only do you completely suck, you're the only person who doesn't know it? You see everything and everyone around you failing -- the run game you need to mold your 1960's offense around, the run defense you require, the players who no longer respect you and want out, the fans who leave in droves in the third quarter -- all with the feeling that you're down 17 points before taking the field, and you can't do the math and figure out the only common denominator in all of your failures is YOU?!?!

I've been in over my head at work before.... hell, I've been at my current job for almost a year and still have days where I feel like I don't know what I'm doing. What does any half-competent person do in that situation? They gather their resources and do whatever they have to do get the answers and get the job done. If I had an OC and DC and had ZERO experience creating gameplans, I'd tell them that I 'trust' them and give them 100% control... and we'll share the success and share the blame. If you don't know WTF you're doing, you better have people around you who do, and you better have a small enough ego to let them help. If I was in Herm's shoes, I'd be scared sh*tless on a daily basis that people were going to find out I have no earthly clue what I'm doing. Oh, but not Herm... why should he think he's part of this equation of failure? I'd tell him to do what I'd do and Google 'head coaching for morons', but wouldn't want him to get flustrated with the interwebs.

Great stuff Bearcat.

Honestly, KCJohnny is a joke. I dont even bother reading his posts much anymore because most of what he says is just flat out asinine.