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Mr. Arrowhead 10-20-2008 11:07 AM

My Coaching Wishlist
 
Since it looks like we are cleaning house, here is my list of coaches i hope we pursue. First off let me say the hell with Bill Cowher, we need someone that is a up and comer and totally is outsider from the chiefs organization.

1. Jim Schwartz - DC, Tennessee Titans
2. Josh McDaniels -OC for the patriots
3. Lane Kiffin
4. Ron Riveria -DC for the chargers
5. Rex Ryan -DC for the Ravens

okcchief 10-20-2008 11:09 AM

No way on Rex Ryan. He will never be a good head coach. I would take him as DC.

CoMoChief 10-20-2008 11:09 AM

Schwartz would be my pick.

Hootie 10-20-2008 11:12 AM

Gross, gross, gross.

The league is evolving...it is a PASSING league. Look what Zorn has done for Washington...

Give me someone like Jason Garrett please.

Bill Lundberg 10-20-2008 11:13 AM

I'd love to get Garrett, but I don't think he would take the Chiefs HC job over his current position.

Mr. Arrowhead 10-20-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5134970)
Gross, gross, gross.

The league is evolving...it is a PASSING league. Look what Zorn has done for Washington...

Give me someone like Jason Garrett please.

Yea, hes not leaving dallas, because that job is his. Or else he would have prolly been number 1 on my list.

King_Chief_Fan 10-20-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5134954)
Since it looks like we are cleaning house, here is my list of coaches i hope we pursue. First off let me say the hell with Bill Cowher, we need someone that is a up and comer and totally is outsider from the chiefs organization.

1. Josh McDaniels -OC for the patriots
2. Lane Kiffin
3. Jim Schwartz - DC, Tennessee Titans
4. Ron Riveria -DC for the chargers
5. Rex Ryan -DC for the Ravens

where is the Al Saunders option :jester:

Hootie 10-20-2008 11:20 AM

I want someone like Sean Payton...that's all I'm saying.

I don't want another DC...I don't want another conservative coach. I guess out of that list, give me McDaniels.

Deberg_1990 10-20-2008 11:22 AM

I want a defensive minded guy who doesnt forget about offense. He knows to hire a bright OC guy to handle the O.

dilligaf 10-20-2008 11:24 AM

Let's give Gunther another shot.

Goapics1 10-20-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5134997)
I want someone like Sean Payton...that's all I'm saying.

I don't want another DC...I don't want another conservative coach. I guess out of that list, give me McDaniels.


Sounds like you want Mike Martz.

CoMoChief 10-20-2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apics1 (Post 5135026)
Sounds like you want Mike Martz.

**** that he's a moron.

you think Herm's game management skills are bad.....Martz writes the book for foolishness on the sidelines.

Hootie 10-20-2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apics1 (Post 5135026)
Sounds like you want Mike Martz.

Sure. **** it. At least we'd have a chance at developing a QB...

crazycoffey 10-20-2008 11:30 AM

Scott Linehan is available....

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 11:31 AM

There are strong rumors that Jerry Jones is going to reach out to Jimmy Johnson after this year to be the Cowboys HC again.

If that's the case, there is no way Garrett sticks around after he basically stayed to get the HC job eventually (hello Al Saunders).

He might be available to be had.

This team needs an offensive minded HC, and then a strong D coordinator.

I do not want McDaniels. Without Brady, the guy calls awful games.
Lane Kiffin is going back to college.
And the other 3 don't thrill me either.

Mr. Arrowhead 10-20-2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5135041)
Scott Linehan is available....

LMAO, the only coach in the world that makes Herm look good

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 11:32 AM

You know who could be a good hire?

Jeremy Bates from the Broncos.

Goapics1 10-20-2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135044)
There are strong rumors that Jerry Jones is going to reach out to Jimmy Johnson after this year to be the Cowboys HC again.

Jimmy Johnson is not coming back. EVER.

jrowe 10-20-2008 11:32 AM

Brian Billick would be my choice.

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apics1 (Post 5135047)
Jimmy Johnson is not coming back. EVER.

Reach out does not equal coming back.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135046)
You know who could be a good hire?

Jeremy Bates from the Broncos.

I brought him up for OC this past offseason. He used to work with Hermie in New York.

Goapics1 10-20-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135049)
Reach out does not equal coming back.

Well, what the hell does it mean then?

Micjones 10-20-2008 11:35 AM

Just give me a guy who understands the importance of having a balanced team.

Someone who can identify talent in both the Draft and Free Agency.

A Coach who is willing to delegate responsibility to his Coordinators and position coaches and not tamper.

Whoever that guy is.

ceebz 10-20-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135046)
You know who could be a good hire?

Jeremy Bates from the Broncos.

I completely agree. He doesn't have much experience but, I like his play-calling.

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apics1 (Post 5135053)
Well, what the hell does it mean then?

It means he's trying to lure him back. It doesn't mean he's going to come back.

It could really piss off Garrett that he leaves though.

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceebz (Post 5135057)
I completely agree. He doesn't have much experience but, I like his play-calling.

Zorn had no experience, but has the Redskins playing well.

The key getting someone like Bates is grabbing an experienced and successful DC to run the defense.

Goapics1 10-20-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135060)
It means he's trying to lure him back. It doesn't mean he's going to come back.

It could really piss off Garrett that he leaves though.

Oh, gotcha.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 11:43 AM

I still think Jim Schwartz would be our best choice. Young guy, been a cordinator for a while has developed young talent through a rebuild before.

Mr. Arrowhead 10-20-2008 11:46 AM

ok you guys have convinced me, schwartz has moved on the top of my list

DeezNutz 10-20-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135049)
Reach out does not equal coming back.

Let's settle for a reach around.

Al Saunders. :D

DeezNutz 10-20-2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5135089)
Let's settle for a reach around.

Al Saunders. :D

It will be great. We'll bring Trent, Eddie, and the gang back. Willie might reconsider. All the wrongs of the past 3 years will be righted.

Believe it...championship.

suds79 10-20-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5134954)
Since it looks like we are cleaning house, here is my list of coaches i hope we pursue. First off let me say the hell with Bill Cowher, we need someone that is a up and comer and totally is outsider from the chiefs organization.

1. Jim Schwartz - DC, Tennessee Titans
2. Josh McDaniels -OC for the patriots
3. Lane Kiffin
4. Ron Riveria -DC for the chargers
5. Rex Ryan -DC for the Ravens

:clap::clap::clap: That's for just your comment about getting an outsider from the Chiefs organization.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 11:54 AM

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it with Jason Garrett. He reminds me of another Dallas coordinator on the other side of the ball--Dave Wannstedt.

He looked like great HC material when he had 5 pro bowlers on D and then couldn't field a team to save his life in Chicago or Miami.

Garrett has all the weapons in the world and no idea how to properly utilize them. He's focusing way too much on Owens, and not enough on Barber and Jones.

I don't care how bad Brad Johnson is, there's no excuse for that performance yesterday against that defense.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 11:55 AM

I'm ok with a defensive guy...as long as he understands you need to put up 24 points a game to consistently win in this league.

Brock 10-20-2008 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135044)
There are strong rumors that Jerry Jones is going to reach out to Jimmy Johnson after this year to be the Cowboys HC again.

WTF?

DeezNutz 10-20-2008 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5135124)
I'm ok with a defensive guy...as long as he understands you need to put up 24 points a game to consistently win in this league.

I'd need a ton of proof that this is more than lip service since Herm says the same thing.

ChiefGator 10-20-2008 12:02 PM

At least Lane Kiffin would reignite the Chiefs-Raiders rivalry....

RustShack 10-20-2008 12:10 PM

I want someone who is an offensive guy, with knowledge of defense and is willing to hire a good DC and let him have a say in his staff.

keg in kc 10-20-2008 12:12 PM

I don't want another defensive head coach.

RustShack 10-20-2008 12:14 PM

Bring me Lane at HC and Monte at DC!

Frankie 10-20-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5134960)
Schwartz would be my pick.

May the Schwartz be with you.

DaneMcCloud 10-20-2008 12:16 PM

What's Garrett done this season, with or without Tony Romo & all of their offensive weapons, to merit a head coaching job?

Same goes for McDaniels: Why not evaluate him WITHOUT Tom Brady before anointing him as some sort of offensive wizard.

Amnorix 10-20-2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135044)
I do not want McDaniels. Without Brady, the guy calls awful games.

You haven't seen much of Mr. Deer-in-the-Headlights that he's dealing with at QB now, have you.

Cassell just isn't a NFL-quality QB. He has all the tools, but he doesn't have it all put together as a package.

Can't blame McDaniels for it. That said, he's like 35 years old and likely not yet seasoned enough to be a HC.

Frankie 10-20-2008 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 5135101)
:clap::clap::clap: That's for just your comment about getting an outsider from the Chiefs organization.

Good thing I saw this post before suggesting Eric Price.

Frankie 10-20-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5135236)
What's Garrett done this season, with or without Tony Romo & all of their offensive weapons, to merit a head coaching job?

Same goes for McDaniels: Why not evaluate him WITHOUT Tom Brady before anointing him as some sort of offensive wizard.

Because tht would be the smart way. The Chiefs organization has an allergy to the smart way.

keg in kc 10-20-2008 12:26 PM

This is the Chiefs we're talking about. They'll do something brilliant like promote Curtis Modkins.

DaneMcCloud 10-20-2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5135290)
Because tht would be the smart way. The Chiefs organization has an allergy to the smart way.


No, it is not.

It's one thing to hire a guy like Sean Payton, who'd been a QB coach and an offensive coordinator for two teams (the Giants & the Cowboys) and has had success at both stops.

Garrett hasn't proven anything, other than his offensive juggernaut can collapse at any given moment.

And McDaniels has a LONG way to go and much to show before being a HC candidate.

alanm 10-20-2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 5134974)
I'd love to get Garrett, but I don't think he would take the Chiefs HC job over his current position.

Didn't the Cowboys sign him to a long term contract last year and promise him the HC gig when they can Phillips. Which will probably be shortly. :D

Frankie 10-20-2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5135306)
No, it is not.

It's one thing to hire a guy like Sean Payton, who'd been a QB coach and an offensive coordinator for two teams (the Giants & the Cowboys) and has had success at both stops.

Garrett hasn't proven anything, other than his offensive juggernaut can collapse at any given moment.

And McDaniels has a LONG way to go and much to show before being a HC candidate.

I was agreeing with your point. Maybe I mis-worded it.

Frankie 10-20-2008 12:49 PM

how about Wade Phillips for DC? would he be any good?

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5135265)
You haven't seen much of Mr. Deer-in-the-Headlights that he's dealing with at QB now, have you.

Cassell just isn't a NFL-quality QB. He has all the tools, but he doesn't have it all put together as a package.

Can't blame McDaniels for it. That said, he's like 35 years old and likely not yet seasoned enough to be a HC.

Doesn't he bear some responsibility to help coach Cassell into his tools?

Sure-Oz 10-20-2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5135044)
There are strong rumors that Jerry Jones is going to reach out to Jimmy Johnson after this year to be the Cowboys HC again.

If that's the case, there is no way Garrett sticks around after he basically stayed to get the HC job eventually (hello Al Saunders).

He might be available to be had.

This team needs an offensive minded HC, and then a strong D coordinator.

I do not want McDaniels. Without Brady, the guy calls awful games.
Lane Kiffin is going back to college.
And the other 3 don't thrill me either.

Suggestions?

chiefs1okie 10-20-2008 12:57 PM

Bob Stoops

BigChiefFan 10-20-2008 01:00 PM

How about Dan Reeves? Slightly said in jest, but he can build an offense and develop a QB. I'm not sure his hard ass mentality would be welcomed by today's players though.

Bill Lundberg 10-20-2008 01:06 PM

If the Rams don't keep him I like Jim Hasslet. I know I'm going to get bashed on this one, but he's defensive minded and knows the importance of offense. He's currently 2-0 as the Rams HC.

Micjones 10-20-2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 5135499)
If the Rams don't keep him I like Jim Hasslet. I know I'm going to get bashed on this one, but he's defensive minded and knows the importance of offense. He's currently 2-0 as the Rams HC.

If the Rams continue to play well I don't think he'll be an option.
They'll give him the job.

Mecca 10-20-2008 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefs1okie (Post 5135467)
Bob Stoops

We'll lose all our big games.

HC_Chief 10-20-2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5135477)
How about Dan Reeves? Slightly said in jest, but he can build an offense and develop a QB. I'm not sure his hard ass mentality would be welcomed by today's players though.

How many QBs has Reeves developed? Elway was a freak coming out of college... Reeves managed not to ruin him; I don't give him credit for "developing" him.

bowener 10-20-2008 02:01 PM

Can we make a sticky of all coaches who are likely to get axed this year? Especially HC's that could be taken off the throne and put back onto the coordinator stool?

Examples:

Marvin Lewis as a DC. Does he still have it in him?

Wade Phillips as DC. Runs a 3-4, probably not for us with current players, but that is up to a new GM/HC to decide.

Norv Turner as OC. Could help mentor and prepare a rookie QB for the NFL.

Rod Marinelli as DC or D-line coach. Steer clear of him though; comes from the Dungy Bucs line....we know what fruits fall off that tree.

I have to run, but I am curious to see how big the list is and how useless most of them might be. Also, other than the bengels and lions, what teams are going to clean house like we should? Rams?

StcChief 10-20-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5135234)
May the Schwartz be with you.

cute....
spaceballs. ref.

Chiefnj2 10-20-2008 02:22 PM

Assistant coaches and coordinators seem to be a lot of luck and a big roll of the dice.

For example, last year Chris Palmer came in as QB coach of the Giants and Eli emerged. Before that he helped develop Romo in Dallas. You'd say wow, the guy is great. But his two stops prior as OC/QB coach he "developed" Carr and Couch. I'm not sure I would have ever given him the shot that Dallas and the NYG's did, but I bet they are glad.

BigChiefFan 10-20-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5135517)
How many QBs has Reeves developed? Elway was a freak coming out of college... Reeves managed not to ruin him; I don't give him credit for "developing" him.

I would say Reeves coached that team well and certainly helped develop Elway along the way. He also turned Chris Chandler into a SB QB, no small feat. He's coached in FOUR Super Bowls. Not only does he specialize in offense, but he also knows the importance of defense in that he's drafted players such as Keith Brooking, Patrick Kearney, Karl Mecklenburg, Tyrone Braxton, and Steve Atwater to name a few.

Reeves actually PLAYED QB in college and then became a quality HB for the Dallas Cowboys for eight years time. He then went on to serve under Tom Landry as an assistant. Reeves, might not be the perfect candidate, but he certainly identifies talent well and can develop them in the process. He might be a good fit, to at least get us turned into the semblence of an NFL team, while developing our players for the long haul. Reeves is a good foundation coach.

OnTheWarpath15 10-20-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5135506)
If the Rams continue to play well I don't think he'll be an option.
They'll give him the job.

It's already been worked into his contract.

If the Rams play .500 ball under Haslett (already 2-0) he gets the job.

Tits McGee 10-20-2008 04:20 PM

Give Bill Cowher a blank check and let's move forward.

SAUTO 10-20-2008 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5134997)
I want someone like Sean Payton...that's all I'm saying.

I don't want another DC...I don't want another conservative coach. I guess out of that list, give me McDaniels.

Sean Payton??? the guy calls the dumbest ****ing plays. has probably cost his team 2 wins this year. too reckless with the playcalling IMO. won't run the ball, and tries too hard to FORCE big plays(instead of letting them come naturally), which causes turnovers. didnt we have that already with vermeil?

BIG_DADDY 10-20-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tits McGee (Post 5136007)
Give Bill Cowher a blank check and let's move forward.

I agree.

Tits McGee 10-20-2008 05:02 PM

This needs team needs discipline like a rapper needs tattoos.
Talent evaluation, drafting, and quarterback development is also seriously lacking.
Cowher is the one guy who can instill discipline and motivation while have the cache of bringing in a solid QB coach and assistants. This team makes the Raider gig look easy.
A no-name coach with a bunch weak-ass assistants will keep this vicious cycle-of-sucking going.

Tribal Warfare 10-20-2008 05:10 PM

Steve Spagnuolo is the cat I want

the Talking Can 10-20-2008 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5135119)
I'm sorry, but I just don't see it with Jason Garrett. He reminds me of another Dallas coordinator on the other side of the ball--Dave Wannstedt.

He looked like great HC material when he had 5 pro bowlers on D and then couldn't field a team to save his life in Chicago or Miami.

Garrett has all the weapons in the world and no idea how to properly utilize them. He's focusing way too much on Owens, and not enough on Barber and Jones.

I don't care how bad Brad Johnson is, there's no excuse for that performance yesterday against that defense.



yeah, garrett is the most over rated person - player or coach - in the nfl....

i'd rather have Spags from the Giants, if we're taking a shot at a coordinator....

PastorMikH 10-20-2008 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrowe (Post 5135048)
Brian Billick would be my choice.


I was thinking the other day that I can't believe someone hasn't brought his name up yet.

Not a bad overall record and can win in the playoffs. Baltimore/old Cleveland was pretty bad before he got there. He did get things turned around and delivered a SB trophy in his second year. And, he's an offensive coach that also fielded a fair D as well.

The guy's had a year off to recoup. Might be worth a look.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 06:03 PM

Jim Schwartz from Tennessee is my choice, here is why:

1) Tennessee went through a complete rebuild just like the Chiefs have done, they gutted that team and went with youth
2) Haynesworth has become the best DT under his watch (Dorsey)
3) Has worked under Bill Belicheck and Jeff Fisher
4) Big in statistical analysts for you baseball fans think Billy Beane's Moneyball
5) Has been a coordiantor, position coach, pro and college scout, and quality control. Basically he has been all the positons on a staff

Just read up on him, you get more and more impressed the more you read into him.

Frankie 10-20-2008 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StcChief (Post 5135695)
cute....
spaceballs. ref.

But really if we hired this guy we'll be taking it in the Schwartz every week.

EyePod 10-20-2008 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5135002)
I want a defensive minded guy who doesnt forget about offense. He knows to hire a bright OC guy to handle the O.

Too bad Wisenhunt is taken. That description fits him to a T.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5136873)
Too bad Wisenhunt is taken. That description fits him to a T.

He was the OC for the Steelers not the DC.

The Bad Guy 10-20-2008 09:32 PM

I like Spagnuolo, but I don't want him starting a rebuilding project.

Coach 10-20-2008 09:32 PM

How about this? While it may be a challenge, how about finding an assistant coach, perferrably a OC or a DC, who during his time, took over an average or a bad team, and transformed that particitular unit into above average to very solid unit? And not only made the transformation, but was consistent with it.

For example, when I was discussing with Mecca, about the Smith character for the Falcons, he was hired as a DC for Jacksonville and the unit improved during his time there.

Now that he's gone, Jax's D isn't exactly top notch as it used to be.


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