Singletary's Rant on Vernon Davis
 

Awesome.

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loved it.

God bless you, Mike Singletary.

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Holy crap, that was awesome. Vernon Davis is a douche.

Can we make him our GM?

Never realized you could get penalized with 10 players on the field...just figured the fans would call you dumbazz after the 2nd time.

That is a man with a winning character.

IF Vernon Davis wept like a girl when he was drafted.....I'll bet his hanky is almost as wet as his diaper after hearing that.


I'm Samurai Mike I stop'em cold.
Part of the defense, big and bold,
I've been jammin' for quite a while,
Doin' what's right and settin' the style,
Give me a chance, I'll rock you good,
Nobody messin' in my neighborhood.
I didn't come here lookin' for trouble,
I just came to do The Super Bowl Shuffle

As long as you have 7 on the LOS, and both tackles are covered up, you wouldn't, AFAIK.

I still don't think that's a good approach in todays game.

That was more stirring than anything I've ever heard from Preacher Herm.

I would say that it worked pretty well for the Patriots from '01-'05.

Well most coaches generally don't want half their team to go to an owner and say "if he stays I won't play here" and that's happened in the past with some teams and we know how it ends.

When did he publicly berate a player?

I was referring more to his main thrust---that the team triumphs over the individual. To be an effective coach, you have to be a fascist--literally.

The whole idea of fascism is based on fasces. A bundle of sticks. Individually, you can break any one. Bound together, they are unbreakable.

He needs to cut out the cancer first. And if it has to be an invasive removal of Vernon Davis, so be it. He's already a sunk cost.

I'm not really disagreeing with the premise, I'm disagreeing with the way he went about it. I don't think you should publicly berate players, it generally won't end well.

If he doesn't like Vernon Davis great, keep it in house.

substitute LJ for Davis and it rings just as true....

The entire presser was pretty cool ... his formula for success ...

Number One: We go out and hit people in the mouth.
Number Two: We are not a charity - we don't give them the game.
Number Three: We execute from the very start of the game to the very end.

I like his "no excuses" attitude very much.

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Who knows what went on behind closed doors with Nolan though.

In the longer version of the PC, he was asked what he said to his players, and he said he was going to keep that in house.

I see this as a way of establishing his imprint on the team and asserting himself as a leader rather than a lame duck. None of the guys on that team, save maybe Frank Gore, Clements, or Justin Smith, would have dick for pull with that organization.

If he feels that Davis needs to have either a fire lit under his ass, or needs to GTFO, this is his way of doing it. Whether or not it will be successful is yet to be seen. But he just pulled one of the oldest leadership moves in the book. Assert your presence with authority by making an example of some sorry one who sucks the penis.

Of course, I ****ing love Singletary and wanted him here in '06, so I'm not really all that objective about him.

Why should he keep it in house? He doesn't like his attitude and BS and I'm glad he called him on it.

Society today is filled with a pack of bitches. If Davis wants to act like a bitch, then Singletary had every right to treat him like one.

I'm tired of people tiptoeing around the truth.

Singletary was massively refreshing yesterday.

I'm pretty sure Patrick Willis has some pull...

Maybe he should berate his entire offense because none of those guys are any good. They are a cast of entirely role and bad players. I'm not really sure anyone could succeed in it.

It doesn't have anything to do with being "any good."

It has everything to do with putting yourself above the team.

you don't have to do these things all the time. its the timing of when you do do them. i think his first game was a perfect time for MS to change the tone.

Well my simple point is he should probably try something to make that work because Davis is still one of the few talented players on an offense that lacks talent.

Define talent.

It appears to me that athletically, Vernon Davis has all the talent in the world.

But it doesn't seem to be translating to the football field.

In this case, that's somewhat important.

Anybody have the video of what happened on the field and the sidelines during that game?

Forgot about Willis.

They have some pieces. Staley, Chilo Rachal, and Cody Wallace is a start to a good o-line. Kentwan Balmer could be a good 3-4 end. Manny Lawson has the tools. Willis is already one of the best LB's in the league. Reggie Smith is a nice talent too.

That team is actually a hell of a lot closer than we are. They need some time for the line to gel, a quarterback, and a legit #1 receiver.

They need to try to do something to get something from him, he has talent, I don't think they're going to give up on him tomorrow so they need to try something to make that work.

The fact that they've never even had a decent QB in his time probably goes into that. He's a young player, who's been injured, never played with a QB or on a good team his attitude or supposed attitude isn't overly surprising.

Tony G has put up insane numbers with average quarterbacks at best. He had a hell of a game yesterday with Tyler freaking Thigpen.

How do you "play to win teh game" with only ten players? That's preposterous....

Your kidding right?

So you would want a guy like Veron Davis on your team?

If Pacman Jones and dipshits like LJ can stay in the league, im sure Vernon Davis can find a spot, esp being the specimen he is, even if he sucks at football

always loved Mike

He came in and said this is MY TEAM and this is how it's done

gotta love that in a coach

How much money am I paying him?

For his draft pick and his contract no......if you're asking me if they cut him and I could get him for nothing oh yea I'd take that chance.

That was great. They will find out real fast who is about team and who is about sulking on the sidelines. It is also great that the fans know that he isn't ****ing around

this whole saga is very funny. he was a workout warrior, he's got a poor attitude, doesn't care if the team wins or not, it's all about him.

used to be that guys who were prima donnas had done soemthing in the NFL to earn that status... now you don't have to have done anything ever to be one.

“You don’t need to be sayin’ nothin’ to me right now,” Davis barked at the coach, according to witnesses. Singletary ordered Davis to take a seat on the bench, and shortly thereafter the coach approached and stressed the importance of avoiding stupid penalties.

“I said I don’t need to hear it,” Davis snapped, cutting him off.

Singletary told Davis to go take a shower, and as the Niners were driving for their first and only touchdown of the game, the tight end was waving his helmet at what was left of the announced crowd of 67,504 and heading through the tunnel.

Upon reaching the locker room, Davis took his helmet and threw it violently against a wall, according to one eyewitness.

Meanwhile, on the 49ers’ sidelines, most of Davis’ teammates were quietly singing the praises of ‘Coach Sing.’ ”

Explained one veteran defender: “Vernon does this crap all the time, and Nolan would always let it go. He created this monster. The good news is that Coach Sing wasn’t having that.”

Added another veteran defender: “No one’s bigger than the team, right? We were all happy to see that this (expletive) won’t be tolerated.”



It seems to me that Vernon Davis' stupid penalty was just the final straw and that he had it coming for a while.

This approach sounds good, but he will never win with an approach like this in today's NFL.

LMAO at Basileus' post

It seems that in this instance, his team supports him for it.

Time will tell if he's able to properly gauge the temperature of the room for each situation, but in this case, he did so correctly.

Vernon Davis isn't as physically talented as he is made out to be. He's an undersized TE with stiff hips who just happens to be able to run fast in a straight line. Not being able to catch, run routes, or understand the playbook doesn't help either.

I heard he has short arms too

What a BUST at #6

Nice, way to go Mike.

I see your point.

But, he was asked from the media about Vernon. This is where I hate the media because they ask you a question about a controversial situation or topic to lure an answer or reaction from you. And then the next day will blow that topic out of proportion. They are an opposition in an evil form where they like to stir up sh*t.

I know there are coaches in this league that at times don't publicly berrate their players. I have respect for that. Some coaches prefer to lay low and be humble. Belichek is kinda like that. George Allen was kinda like that.

But not every coach is like that. Some coaches are different. differences in personalities. In Singletary's case, he spoke his mind. He may or may not have done the right thing? But he is new to the coaching scene. I give the dude some credit for speaking his mind. I think it is needed nowadays too many punks in this league.

WHY?
if you watch what happened on the sidelines, it seemed that there were players gettin after him before Sing went over. so yeah in this instance players looked as though they were all for it. For the players with pride they HAVE to feel good about the direction MS will take the team.

I don't think it's a horrible concept to coach like this. There seems to be a lot about the situation that the average fan doesn't know. However, I have always viewed Mike Singletary as a guy who (1) likes to hear himself talk, and (2) thinks more of himself than just about any other person I've met....all the way up to when he told me, "I don't sign fucking autographs when I was 10 years old.

I don't believe you can coach "passion" or "pride" on the NFL level. You either have it, or you play for the money. Singletary may be better suited to coach college ball.

so basically you are biased against him already? ok glad you put that out there. and the passion or pride part if you dont have it then gtfo

He does, and anyone who watches Tony Gonzalez every week knows how important those long arms are to a TE. If Gonzo was 6'2" with short arms his career would have been far less productive.

There's a middle ground between not wanting someone on your team and flat out ripping them in the media like this. I would think that a player should expect as much respect from a coach as a coach would respect from a player, even if the player is in the wrong. The fact that Mike Singletary is a first year coach and hasn't build up that kind of respect doesn't exactly help, either.

Let's say that Glenn Dorsey went off on Herm Edwards during a press conference and said, "Herm can't motivate, he can't gameplan, he can't draft, and he doesn't do everything he can to put our team in position to win. I would rather play without a head coach than be led by Herm Edwards."

Would fans in San Francisco be applauding Dorsey? Of course not. They would be ripping him. Davis may be all of the things Singletary said he was. Edwards may be all of the things that Dorsey said in this scenario. That doesn't make it right to go out and blast someone like that in public.

Interesting post, Mr. TRR. His response regarding the autograph was pitiful. There's no excuse for that and it's a shame. If it's any consolation, I think I can get Mr. Iowanian's autograph for you. He'll sign pretty much anything other than a man's body part below the waist.

As for the rest, I think this presser was refreshing. Although you're certainly right about an HC being unable to coach passion or pride, a coach can, I believe, establish clear performance parameters or employment requirements which is, essentially, how I interpret his remarks. As far as publicly calling out the player, who cares? He had already sent the guy to the showers in full view of everybody and their uncle. He might as well explain his reasoning. I prefer that openness to the kind of crap the Chiefs spoon feed us.

Basically, I think the NFL needs more guys who are willing to lay down the law with players. The pendulum has swung too far toward the side of the individual's right to be a selfish dumbass and needs to return to the idea that, in order to be a winner, the team's interests have to trump personal ones.

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see new england patriots

I agree with this, but there are better way to do it. When a coach goes to the media, it's a sign of weakness. A coach who demands respect and knows how to lead can get things done internally. When he has to take it public, he's basically trying to drum up sympathy from the fans. This creates an us against them mentality, and nobody benefits from that. It certainly doesn't generate respect from the team.

Any respect that he generates will be because he didn't tolerate the behavior, not because of the press conference. When he sent him to the locker room, that was a sign of leadership. When he went on his rant, that was a rookie coach having a meltdown.

A team is like a family, and a player needs to know that a coach has his back in public even if he's chewing the player's ass in private. If a coach gets to the point where he doesn't have the player's back, the player needs to be cut.

That was quite an entrance. Way to set the tone Mike.

thats probably not too far off, at the very least i would expect them to be shopping him in the offseason

OMG I want Mike Singletary as the new HC of the Chiefs!

Dude freaking has stones man!

Great message..wrong forum..and I don't think you kick a guy off the field. That is the one and only time I have ever seen that. With that said, I just don't think Mr.Singletary has what it takes and I doubt he wins more than 1 game the rest of the year.

I'm sure they will, and that's another reason you don't go out and blast the guy. It's tough to negotiate a trade after telling everyone who will listen how worthless he is.

Click, Clack.

Singletary is awesome

Excellent point, Mr. Saul Good. Well taken.

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You should consider yourself fortunate that your skull is not adorned on the outside of the ice cream truck that Singletary drives to the 49er facility everyday.

exactly what these prima-donna players need. their ass kicked/called out when they screw up.

So I'm coaching a game a couple of weeks ago.
We have this newer player on the team who just moved in. He had some athletic talent, but in the 2-3 weeks he was with us, he never wanted to work with us coaches to learn anything. never tried to learn our checks, our reads, etc. He seemed to ahve a bad attitude, and think he already knew it all. On top of that, he missed just about every other practice. So we were on our last leg with the guy.
So we're playing the game, and he's on our sideline, and turning around talking to girls in the stands. One of the other caches looks at him and tells him he needs to have his eyes on the field. A few minutes later, same thing happens. The third time the coach sees him, he says, "Get in pushup position."
The kid just looks at him.
"I said, get in pushup position,"
again, the kid just stares.
Finally the head coach walks over, says something to him, and the kid decides right then and there he's quitting.
So he throws his helmet down, and starts walking away. He decides, though, that he doesn't want to walk to the end of the field to get away, he wants to jump the fence that divides our field from where the stands are. By then, all the people in the stands are staring at the kid for making such an ass out of himself.
But...
As he gets to the top of the fence, he catches his cleat on the top, and falls over the fence and face-down onto the concrete on the other side.
The stands erupted in laughter, and it was hard for us coaches not to laugh,a s well.
Funniest part was the old man in the stands yeling as he's laughing at him, "Bet ya ain't goin' do that agi'n!"

THAT is ****ing awesome! we need more coaches like him in the NFL. those eyes are maniacal!

Mike Singletary is the man. I love how he handled it

No one in the game today is above Singletary. I like his attitude.

Great to hear, even if the "penalized for lining up 10" thing was a little weird. I hope the 49ers start winning just for Singletary's sake.

hell ya, Singletary is one of my all-time favs

I would agree that stuff like this can backfire... sometimes players tune coaches out. But on the flipside, this is Mike Singletary. Not some two bit hack that never really played in the NFL. You would be insane to even suggest Davis is more of a leader or more knowledgable than Mike Singletary.

If I had to pick one NFL player to travel with me through a dark alley filled with Ray Lewis and his knife-wielding posse, I'd choose Mike Singletary.

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here's the full Press conference, catch the end of the presser it Pwns!!!! Herm should take notes

me too, but only because Ray Nitschke is dead

Beautiful! I don't think I have ever actually heard Singletary speak before today. His press conference has me ready to play. Great stuff.

Man, this is going to make the next Herm presser that much more depressing.

I agree with you. Time #2.... :D

Photoshop an Arrowhead over that SF logo.....

Yep, He has earned that right to say what he wants. He's ****ng Mike Singletary. He was apart of the best defense in football history and is probably the best MLB to ever play the game.

Chills from Mike Singletary. That's a ****ing leader man.

The speech would have been a lot more effective if the niners weren't down 20+ points to a hapless/injured Seahawks team.

That is why I wanted Singletary as the Chiefs coach.

Herm should review this tape.

nah i dont think you can get penalized... The Skins' did it for Sean Taylor after his death, no penalty, but the D did fall apart on that play.

Singletary = Black Ditka.